Not many people understand what glory or to be glorified means. Lets first look at this verse,
The Greek word for glory is "doxa", which has several definitions, "honor, renown, and splendor". Splendor is the definition of interest for this particular study on glory. The glory of something is something that radiates light, hence splendor. What do the sun, moon, and stars all have in common? They radiate light. So therefore, something, or someone that has been glorified, is something or someone that then begins to radiate light. An example of one man that was glorified was actually Moses,
When Moses spoke to God at Mount Sinai, his face then began to radiate light. This light that shone from his face, was the light that Aaron and the sons of Israel saw, and were even afraid of Moses,
Next, Jesus also said this,
So at what point in the beginning did Jesus have this glory that radiates light before the world began? When he uttered these words,
This light came from himself, as the luminaries in the heaven hadn't yet been created till the 4th day to give light upon the earth, so he himself literally began radiating this light that he brought forth into existence, hence why he also says,
He literally became the light of the world, which is the glory he had before the world began. In the John 17:5 verse, he also states, "glorify me in your presence", which means, make me "radiate light" in your presence just as it was before the world began. So when did Jesus begin radiating light after his resurrection? Lets first look at this verse,
So at this point in speaking with Mary, he had not yet ascended to the Father. And then we also read in this verse,
In this verse we can see that the holy spirit was given after Jesus was glorified. The last sighting of Jesus before he ascended was here,
And then in the John 17:5 we read, "glorify me in your presence", and Jesus could've only been in his presence of the Father after he ascended to him. So therefore, the glorification of Jesus occurred after he ascended to the Father. This then coincides with,
It was when he ascended to heaven to the Father, he was thus glorified, he then sent forth holy spirit. So the whole time that Jesus was with the disciples after his resurrection and before his ascension, they had not yet seen his new glory of radiating light on his new body. As even the transfiguration of Jesus was not when he was glorified, because the transfiguration was merely a vision, hence,
This glory that he received that radiates light is the same glory that the world will witness when he comes back,
Now, this glorification of radiating light is similar to the glorification that those who are saved at his coming will also receive, all who are saved at his coming will also radiate light, as it is said,
Yet we do not know how exactly each of us will be, as even in 1 John we read,
And then Paul affirms when speaking concerning the new body of the resurrection,
So just as we do not know how big or small a plant will be from the seed we plant, so is the resurrection of the dead, we plant a seed now, yet what body we are given and it's measure of glory, will be determined by God. After this passage, is when he goes on to mention the different glories of the heaven in relation to the new bodies of the resurrection.
The True Meaning of Glorification
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Yes indeed even his breath is light for even his breath is life given light from the beginning to the illumination of the once void formless earth to the seed to all that we know of our planet and beyond. For God is the alpha and the omega the beginning and end of what is seen yet made from what is not. the breath of light and of life For he wrapped himself up with that light like a garment.
So let me make sure I understood you correctly
Are you saying that Jesus did not have the glory of the father until after HE ascended back to the Father?
The Holy Spirit had not been poured out upon His Disciples until after His ascension but The Holy Spirit is what made manifest the fleshly vessel of Jesus' precrucified AND post crucified body
Are you saying that Jesus did not have the glory of the father until after HE ascended back to the Father?
The Holy Spirit had not been poured out upon His Disciples until after His ascension but The Holy Spirit is what made manifest the fleshly vessel of Jesus' precrucified AND post crucified body
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To be an image of God is to be an expression of God, someone lesser representing characteristics of someone greater. Take a look for example Adam, he was said to be made in the image of God, and because of this, authority was given to him to subdue the earth and to rule over the birds of the sky and over all living creatures that moved over the earth. This authority given to Adam was an expression of the greater authority God has over all his own creation. In similar fashion, is Jesus Christ an image of God, yet higher than Adam, because Jesus Christ gave forth all life, just as God gives forth life, and also all authority has been given over to Jesus Christ, not just on the earth, but in the heavens as well, just as God rules over all his own creation. No place that is created can contain the Father, as the Father is infinite, and any place in creation is finite, therefore he has images of himself in how own creation that express his characteristics, highest among them, is Jesus Christ who is the very exact image of God, having full authority, glory, and honor above all.
I don't believe that Adam would ever have dared to imply that he who had seen him had seen God
and that's exactly what Jesus did say to Philip who asked Jesus to show th The Father
And of course Jesus had all authority to say to Philip (almost in exasperation). Philip how long have I been with you. And you do not know ME?
He who has seen ME has seen the Father and how do you say "show us The Father?"
and again He had all authority to say this because He came forth from God
and that's exactly what Jesus did say to Philip who asked Jesus to show th The Father
And of course Jesus had all authority to say to Philip (almost in exasperation). Philip how long have I been with you. And you do not know ME?
He who has seen ME has seen the Father and how do you say "show us The Father?"
and again He had all authority to say this because He came forth from God
but He emptied Himself, setting aside His glory and making Himself of no reputation, to take on the position of a servant among us ((re: Philippians 2:7))
so it is that when He prayed in the garden, it was to be glorified with the very same glory that was already His with the Father before. it is not as though He *just* achieved glory after the cross, when He ascended -- because 'who has ascended but the One who also descended?' ((re: Ephesians 4:9-10))
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as the luminaries in the heaven
hadn't yet been created till as it is . ...
written
Genesis: 1. 14. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
~:> THOUGH SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THINK THAT
THE TWO GREAT LIGHTS WERE THE MOON AND THE SUN
WHEN IT IS WRITTEN God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
. ... he made the stars also and everyone knows here that
THE SUN IS ALSO A STAR IN THE SENSE OF WHAT THE REALITY
SPEAKS OF
... . THATS WHY
as it is written
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1 Corinto: 15. 40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
so then what is this TWO GREAT LIGHTS
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godbless us all always
as the luminaries in the heaven
hadn't yet been created till as it is . ...
written
Genesis: 1. 14. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
~:> THOUGH SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THINK THAT
THE TWO GREAT LIGHTS WERE THE MOON AND THE SUN
WHEN IT IS WRITTEN God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
. ... he made the stars also and everyone knows here that
THE SUN IS ALSO A STAR IN THE SENSE OF WHAT THE REALITY
SPEAKS OF
... . THATS WHY
as it is written
:read:
1 Corinto: 15. 40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
so then what is this TWO GREAT LIGHTS
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godbless us all always
:smoke: Not many people understand this
when he said all this things
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
for some were still lookin unto the literal part of him
and not the spiritual things that is within
the only begotten son of god
our lord and saviour
as it is written
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Kawikaan: 8. 22. The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28. When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29. When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30. Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
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godbless us all always
when he said all this things
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
for some were still lookin unto the literal part of him
and not the spiritual things that is within
the only begotten son of god
our lord and saviour
as it is written
:read:
Kawikaan: 8. 22. The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28. When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29. When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30. Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
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godbless us all always
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Following are verses used to show that Jesus is God in flesh. The scripturesused here are from the New American Standard Bible.
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Bible Verses that Show Jesus is Divine|Jesus is...
Following are verses used to show that Jesus is God in flesh. The scripturesused here are from the New American Standard Bible.
- John 1:1--"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
- John 1:14--"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
- John 5:18--"For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
- John 8:24--"I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
- Note: In the Greek, "He" is not there.
- John 8:58--"Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
- Exodus 3:14--"And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
- John 10:30-33--"I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
- John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
- Col. 2:9--"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
- Phil. 2:5-8--"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
- Heb. 1:8--"But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
- Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom."
- Matt. 4:10--"Then Jesus said to him, 'Begone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only."’"
- Matt. 2:2--"Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."
- Matt. 2:11--"And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him; and opening their treasures they presented to Him gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh."
- Matt. 14:33--"And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!"
- Matt. 28:9--"And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."
- John 9:35-38--"Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."
- Heb. 1:6--"And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"
- Acts 7:55-60--"But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears, and they rushed upon him with one impulse. 58 And when they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him, and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" And having said this, he fell asleep."
- 1 Cor. 1:1-2--"Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." (The phrase, "to call upon the name of the Lord" is a phrase used to designate prayer).
- 1 Kings 18:24--"Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord, and the God who answers by fire, He is God." And all the people answered and said, "That is a good idea."
- Zech. 13:9--"And I will bring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’"
- Rom. 10:13-14--"for 'whoever will call upon the name of the Lord' will be saved." 14 How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Paul is speaking of calling upon Jesus. (The phrase "Call upon the name of the Lord" is a quote from Joel 2:32).
- Joel 2:32--"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." (LORD here is YHWH, the name of God as revealed in Exodus 3:14. Therefore, this quote, dealing with God Himself is attributed to Jesus).
- Isaiah 44:6--"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me."
- Rev. 1:17-18--"Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."
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Which glorification are we talking about?
If you're talking about our glorification, this will occur after we complete our race of faith or Sanctification Process here on earth which began after Justification. Glorification will take place when we receive our spiritual bodies as the end result of our sanctification process. I can't wait for that day
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If you're talking about our glorification, this will occur after we complete our race of faith or Sanctification Process here on earth which began after Justification. Glorification will take place when we receive our spiritual bodies as the end result of our sanctification process. I can't wait for that day
.Adam was as God, being made in the image of God, and given authority over the earth, just as Jesus Christ is as God, given full authority over the earth and also in the heavens, and also being charged to bring forth judgment upon the entire earth, to even make it quake at his coming. Why do you think even God said to Moses,
Moses was made as God, meaning he was made as an IMAGE of God, given authority to bring forth judgments upon Egypt and to demonstrate the power of God.
Yet of all these types of images of God, Jesus Christ is the greatest and exact image of God.
Moses was made as God, meaning he was made as an IMAGE of God, given authority to bring forth judgments upon Egypt and to demonstrate the power of God.
Yet of all these types of images of God, Jesus Christ is the greatest and exact image of God.