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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Who are those who labour and are heavy laden?

All of those who work at the law. All of those who rely on their own understanding of what the law says and call their work at it obedience.

Acts 15:10 [SUP] [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? (In response to Acts 15:5)

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


If those who work at the law are those who labour and are heavily laden, what is this rest that the Lord Jesus gives?

Is it just a short break and then go back to being heavily laden? Or does the Lord Jesus mean something more permanent?
 
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Hebrews 4:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,"
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 4:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

Resting in all that Jesus has already done for us is what we are called to do now.
 
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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Who are those who labour and are heavy laden?

All of those who work at the law. All of those who rely on their own understanding of what the law says and call their work at it obedience.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? (In response to Acts 15:5)

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


If those who work at the law are those who labour and are heavily laden, what is this rest that the Lord Jesus gives?

Is it just a short break and then go back to being heavily laden? Or does the Lord Jesus mean something more permanent?
Right ...NOW our work is to listen to the voice of God through the Holy Spirit, so to follow His leading. Our WORK is to have a relationship with God. If we apply ourselves to that endeavor then everything will work out.

We no longer follow the LETTER but the SPIRIT.
 
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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Who are those who labour and are heavy laden?

All of those who work at the law. All of those who rely on their own understanding of what the law says and call their work at it obedience.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? (In response to Acts 15:5)

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


If those who work at the law are those who labour and are heavily laden, what is this rest that the Lord Jesus gives?

Is it just a short break and then go back to being heavily laden? Or does the Lord Jesus mean something more permanent?
Under the Law it was do, do, do. Under grace it is God saying "I will, I will, I will". It's an entirely new program, better in every way.

And contrary to popular belief resting in Christ is not inactivity, but Christ's activity. It’s not called rest because nothing is getting done, but because Jesus is the One pulling the load.
 
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Here are my views about "resting" in the Lord and resting from our own "works".

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is not a lazy passive existence. When we know that God has already provided everything we need and we access His wisdom, provision, strength by faith - we'll be governed by the Holy Spirit in a highly strategic and active life.

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is not an inactive lifestyle. It's a Spirit-led lifestyle where we flow in good works ( His fruit bearing in us ) that God had planned for us all along.

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our obedience in action.

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our warfare.

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our faith in action
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There is a vast difference between "us" doing things and the Lord doing things through and in us. We can do things in our own flesh like Abraham tried to fulfill the will of God by creating an Ishmael or wait for the Lord to work through us to produce the child of promise - Isaac. This speaks of the difference between the 2 covenants. Galatians 4:22-24, 30

Psalm 127:1 (NASB)

Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it
; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain.
 
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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Who are those who labour and are heavy laden?

All of those who work at the law. All of those who rely on their own understanding of what the law says and call their work at it obedience.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? (In response to Acts 15:5)

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


If those who work at the law are those who labour and are heavily laden, what is this rest that the Lord Jesus gives?

Is it just a short break and then go back to being heavily laden? Or does the Lord Jesus mean something more permanent?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When you have the Holy Spirit it is a spiritual rest.
 
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James 3:2

We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

Colossians 3:23

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters,

Philippians 2:13

for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

Romans 16:12

Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, those women who work hard in the Lord. Greet my dear friend Persis, another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord.

Matthew 5:19

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

A way to look at Matthew 7:12

So in everything, do/say to others what you would have them do/say to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

John 7:17

Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

John 14:26

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 14:24

Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

Luke 6:46

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?

Part of John 5:30

for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Matthew 18:3

And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:24

"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock
 

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John 15:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Ezekiel 36:24-28

[SUP]24 [/SUP]For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.


Whats this new spirit and whats this fruit? What does it have to do with rest?

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

What commandments of Christ, what Laws of God are not fulfilled or obeyed by these fruit?
 
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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Who are those who labour and are heavy laden?

All of those who work at the law. All of those who rely on their own understanding of what the law says and call their work at it obedience.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? (In response to Acts 15:5)

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


If those who work at the law are those who labour and are heavily laden, what is this rest that the Lord Jesus gives?

Is it just a short break and then go back to being heavily laden? Or does the Lord Jesus mean something more permanent?
Doesn't seem like being heavily laden to me. I don't know.
 
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John 15:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Ezekiel 36:24-28

[SUP]24 [/SUP]For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.


Whats this new spirit and whats this fruit? What does it have to do with rest?

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

What commandments of Christ, what Laws of God are not fulfilled or obeyed by these fruit?
1 John 4:1

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

1 Thessalonians 5:

19 Do not put out the Spirit's fire;
20 do not treat prophecies with contempt.
21 Test everything. Hold on to the good.


Sirach 24:1

Wisdom praises herself, and tells of her glory in the midst of her people.

Sirach 24:

17 Like the vine I bud forth delights, and my blossoms become glorious and abundant fruit.
19 "Come to me, you who desire me, and eat your fill of my fruits.

Wisdom 3:15

For the fruit of good labors is renowned, and the root of understanding does not fail

Sirach 22:1

The idler is like a filthy stone, and every one hisses at his disgrace.

Sirach 14:

18 Like abundant leaves on a spreading tree that sheds some and puts forth others, so are the generations of flesh and blood: one dies and another is born.

Sirach 6:

18 My child, from your youth choose discipline, and when you have gray hair you will still find wisdom.
19 Come to her like one who plows and sows, and wait for her good harvest. For when you cultivate her you will toil but little, and soon you will eat of her produce.

21 She will be like a heavy stone to test them, and they will not delay in casting her aside.
22 For wisdom is like her name; she is not readily perceived by many.

26 Come to her with all your soul, and keep her ways with all your might.
27 Search out and seek, and she will become known to you; and when you get hold of her, do not let her go.
28 For at last you will find the rest she gives, and she will be changed into joy for you.


Wisdom 7:

22 for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me. There is in her a spirit that is intelligent, holy, unique, manifold, subtle, mobile, clear, unpolluted, distinct, invulnerable, loving the good, keen, irresistible,
23 beneficent, humane, steadfast, sure, free from anxiety, all-powerful, overseeing all, and penetrating through all spirits that are intelligent, pure, and altogether subtle.
24 For wisdom is more mobile than any motion; because of her pureness she pervades and penetrates all things.
25 For she is a breath of the power of God, and a pure emanation of the glory of the Almighty; therefore nothing defiled gains entrance into her.
26 For she is a reflection of eternal light, a spotless mirror of the working of God, and an image of his goodness.
27 Although she is but one, she can do all things, and while remaining in herself, she renews all things; in every generation she passes into holy souls and makes them friends of God, and prophets;
28 for God loves nothing so much as the person who lives with wisdom.
29 She is more beautiful than the sun, and excels every constellation of the stars. Compared with the light she is found to be superior,
30 for it is succeeded by the night, but against wisdom evil does not prevail.

Sirach 19:20

The whole of wisdom is fear of the Lord, and in all wisdom there is the fulfillment of the law.
 

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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Who are those who labour and are heavy laden?

All of those who work at the law. All of those who rely on their own understanding of what the law says and call their work at it obedience.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? (In response to Acts 15:5)

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


If those who work at the law are those who labour and are heavily laden, what is this rest that the Lord Jesus gives?

Is it just a short break and then go back to being heavily laden? Or does the Lord Jesus mean something more permanent?
And what do you think is removed from these who go out like calves released from their stalls? (reference Malachi 4:2)
 
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I would suggest it not a rest from our works but a rest in our works , as Emmanuel God with us works with us to both will and do His good pleasure.
 
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I have a question. When the scriptures says; although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. Does that mean as the lamb of God the work of salvation has been finished? And the work at Calvary was simply a demonstration of the finished work from the foundation of the world?
 

p_rehbein

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Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Who are those who labour and are heavy laden?

All of those who work at the law. All of those who rely on their own understanding of what the law says and call their work at it obedience.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? (In response to Acts 15:5)

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


If those who work at the law are those who labour and are heavily laden, what is this rest that the Lord Jesus gives?

Is it just a short break and then go back to being heavily laden? Or does the Lord Jesus mean something more permanent?
Is this just your opinion? Seems to me the Apostle spoke many times of those who "labored" with him, and how he "labored" and was heavy with "burdens," and seems to me that those living a sin filled life "labor" to live and are "heavy with burdens," so I do not see a Scriptural set in stone definition of your assertion here. Sorry........Now, I'm sure those that do as you describe probably do labor and are heavy with burdens, but that is not the only example or possible reason for what Christ was teaching. I'm pretty sure He was speaking to sinners.
 

p_rehbein

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John 15:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Ezekiel 36:24-28

[SUP]24 [/SUP]For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.


Whats this new spirit and whats this fruit? What does it have to do with rest?

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

What commandments of Christ, what Laws of God are not fulfilled or obeyed by these fruit?
But, but, you guys ALWAYS insist that man CAN NOT KEEP ANY of Gods Laws or Commandments, so, how pray tell does man accomplish this? And, again, I do not see the connection to "rest." Sorry. Is this more hyper grace theology? I'm just asking because I still do not have a good understanding of what this new fangled theology is all about yet. Too many different definitions/explanations here on CC to work through them all to find what it is or is not.
 
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The Pharisees very zealously kept His laws, even to the finest frogs' hair.
But Jesus called them hypocrites.
Why?
 

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The Pharisees very zealously kept His laws, even to the finest frogs' hair.
But Jesus called them hypocrites.
Why?
I don't think anyone disagrees with that........but, then, they DIDN'T REALLY keep them, they just TAUGHT OTHERS that they SHOULD, and that is why Jesus called them hypocrites. See, there is a huge difference there......just saying.

Teaching that the First Testament Law will provide Salvation is unBiblical. However, teaching that the Law of Faith is vital for a Christian to obey is Biblical. Well, according to the Apostle Paul anyhoo.
 
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How did they not really keep them...?
They tithed to the very exact sprig of cumin.
They very, very carefully did no work on the Sabbath. No physical exertion whatsoever, not even carrying an item like a mat.
They excruciatingly followed every jot and tittle of ceremonial washings.
They were careful about preparation of foods and what foods were forbidden.
So how did they not REALLY follow them?
 
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In a nutshell they served the law and not God. They became proud, faultfinders, placing burdens on the common people they themselves couldn't carry, profited from ones misfortunes or social status. Their heart turned away from God to serve the law . Not all but most.
 
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Yes, God said, they always err in their hearts.
Not outwardly, but in their hearts.