What the Mark of the Beast Is, Number of the Beast, and Name of the Beast

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The mark of the beast is already here, but many have it unwittingly, as it is not a literal mark to be received, no different than the mark received on "foreheads" of the 144,000 chosen, so it is a figurative mark, just as many of the other figurative symbols in Revelation. Obviously before identifying the mark, you must first identify who the "beast of the earth" in Revelation is, that gives this mark. It is said that you cannot buy or sell unless you have three things,
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Revelation 13:17 [KJV])
If you carefully piece together all the visions of the beasts in Revelation along with the visions and timings and the beasts of Daniel, you would have arrived that the beast of the earth in Revelation is the United States. A mark designates ownership, and also thoughts, "forehead" and actions, "right hand", so what thing in America enslaves its people that preoccupies much of their time and thoughts to serve the one issuing the mark? Its debt. And what is all issued debt in America given from that is supplied by the government to the rich and poor, small and great? The social security number. The social security is a financial system based on usury, as all insurance programs are a form of usury that is evil according to scripture,
if he doesn't lend with usury or exact interest, but instead refuses to participate in what is unjust, if he administers true justice between people, (Ezekiel 18:8 [ISV])
loans with usury, and exacts interest; will he live? He certainly will not! He has done all these detestable practices. He will certainly die, and his guilt will be his own fault." (Ezekiel 18:13 [ISV])
He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved. (Psalm 15:5 [KJV])
Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury: (Deuteronomy 23:19 [KJV])
"Detestable practice" is translated also as an "abomination". And from this usurious financial program that is forced upon the people, then stem various forms of debts and other usurious financial instruments - health insurance, life insurance, pension programs, annuities, mortgages, auto loans, credit cards... all manner of abominations to steal and to enslave. And using these instruments, is then how the mark of the beast is used to buy and sell, which is leveraging debt to acquire possessions.

So any involvement into paying into the social security program or receiving benefits and involvement in any form of debt or financial instrument of usury is having the mark of the best. Now, the number of the beast, is something else, which can be used to buy and sell as well. The number of the beast is the banking system, as it is a system of numbers, where mere numbers are used to transact. This form of trading is also evil as it involves associating oneself with the money lenders putting into practice all these forms of usury.

And the last way to buy and sell is using the name of the beast. Of the three ways to buy and sell, this one does not bear the penalty of the judgment of fire as do the other two. Buying and selling in the name of the beast is using "paper money" to transact, as paper money does not have a value of itself, except what value the government says it has and prints on the paper. So, when trading using paper money, you are in fact trading in the name of the United States and its backing and promise that the piece of paper has value.
 
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tanakh

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There we have it!! The 2000 plus years wait is over because PAPPQ has arrived to enlighten us all
 
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What about Duet 23:20 if you are going by that?

[FONT=&quot]Duet 23:20 Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.[/FONT]
 
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What about Duet 23:20 if you are going by that?

Duet 23:20 Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
We are commanded by Jesus Christ to exceed the leniency of the of the Law concerning lending to non-Israelites, as "strangers" are non-Israelites,

Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. (Luke 6:30 [NIV])
Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. (Matthew 5:42 [NIV])
So essentially, we are to give freely to whomever, so therefore, by consequence there is no usury or interest exacted in giving freely.
 
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We are commanded by Jesus Christ to exceed the leniency of the of the Law concerning lending to non-Israelites, as "strangers" are non-Israelites,


So essentially, we are to give freely to whomever, so therefore, by consequence there is no usury or interest exacted in giving freely.
I'm not a bank (personally) as your context appears to be the United states and you did use Deuteronomy but only up to that verse (these instructions given to the Israelites) which allowed usury for the stranger (not brother). And if this would be applied to the U.S, not everyone in the U.S a christian/brother anyway.

Does anyone know if Citibank is owned by the devil?

(I'm sort of kidding, but no, not really)
 
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I'm not a bank (personally) as your context appears to be the United states and you did use Deuteronomy but only up to that verse (these instructions given to the Israelites) which allowed usury for the stranger (not brother). And if this would be applied to the U.S, not everyone in the U.S a christian/brother anyway.

Does anyone know if Citibank is owned by the devil?

(I'm sort of kidding, but no, not really)
Keep a moneybox and hide it under the bed :D
 

TMS

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Hi pappq
there are hundreds of claims to who and what the beast is. you said "If you carefully piece together all the visions of the beasts in Revelation along with the visions and timings and the beasts of Daniel, you would have arrived that the beast of the earth in Revelation is the United States. A mark designates ownership, and also thoughts, "forehead" and actions, "right hand",

You claim the earth beast is America and if that be the case than America is not the beast that is worshipped.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Who is the first beast in Rev 13? when you work this out it will make more sense.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Pssst, we have a conspiracy forum you know....
 

PennEd

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The mark of the beast is already here, but many have it unwittingly, as it is not a literal mark to be received, no different than the mark received on "foreheads" of the 144,000 chosen, so it is a figurative mark, just as many of the other figurative symbols in Revelation. Obviously before identifying the mark, you must first identify who the "beast of the earth" in Revelation is, that gives this mark. It is said that you cannot buy or sell unless you have three things,If you carefully piece together all the visions of the beasts in Revelation along with the visions and timings and the beasts of Daniel, you would have arrived that the beast of the earth in Revelation is the United States. A mark designates ownership, and also thoughts, "forehead" and actions, "right hand", so what thing in America enslaves its people that preoccupies much of their time and thoughts to serve the one issuing the mark? Its debt. And what is all issued debt in America given from that is supplied by the government to the rich and poor, small and great? The social security number. The social security is a financial system based on usury, as all insurance programs are a form of usury that is evil according to scripture,




"Detestable practice" is translated also as an "abomination". And from this usurious financial program that is forced upon the people, then stem various forms of debts and other usurious financial instruments - health insurance, life insurance, pension programs, annuities, mortgages, auto loans, credit cards... all manner of abominations to steal and to enslave. And using these instruments, is then how the mark of the beast is used to buy and sell, which is leveraging debt to acquire possessions.

So any involvement into paying into the social security program or receiving benefits and involvement in any form of debt or financial instrument of usury is having the mark of the best. Now, the number of the beast, is something else, which can be used to buy and sell as well. The number of the beast is the banking system, as it is a system of numbers, where mere numbers are used to transact. This form of trading is also evil as it involves associating oneself with the money lenders putting into practice all these forms of usury.

And the last way to buy and sell is using the name of the beast. Of the three ways to buy and sell, this one does not bear the penalty of the judgment of fire as do the other two. Buying and selling in the name of the beast is using "paper money" to transact, as paper money does not have a value of itself, except what value the government says it has and prints on the paper. So, when trading using paper money, you are in fact trading in the name of the United States and its backing and promise that the piece of paper has value.
So in this thread you allegorize Scripture, but in your other thread YOU started about the creation week, YOU don't? And you speak with such absolute authority in both. Hmm... Not sure why you think you have such authority to pick and choose what to allegorize and not.
 
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:haha: maybe i could help you all with that
so that everyone could have a idea what were those marks
:read: (as it is written)
Pahayag: 16. 5. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7. And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8. And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10. And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11. And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
~;> HOPE EVERYONE HAVE A IDEA NOW
HOW TO SPOT THE MARK OF THE BEAST
 
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So in this thread you allegorize Scripture, but in your other thread YOU started about the creation week, YOU don't? And you speak with such absolute authority in both. Hmm... Not sure why you think you have such authority to pick and choose what to allegorize and not.
Plus when asked for his affiliation,he went into a lone ranger default.

Just him and god.

How cozy,all of us must be ignorant outsiders.

One legged stepchildren. Lol
 
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The mark is not abstract mystery.

Look how utterly stupid and brain dead the masses are.

Obama is bulldozing their house,while they sit in the other room,enjoying the rhythm of the diesel engine. We tell them" you need to fire him. He is destroying your home! What is wrong with you?

They bow their chest in offence to such "racist hateful ignorance" against their lord and master.

You take a stupid deceived,insane mass of humanoids like the ones voting in their own demise,and the conclusion is,the mark has to be a catchy brand that looks cool to them.

As long as it comes from the AC's hand,and looks cool,they will bite on it.

Hands down,guaranteed.

Stupid,insane masses.

No shortage of that.