Speaking against the Holy Spirit?

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Matthew 12:32
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Could this be the ultimate sin that dooms a person to Hell forever?
 
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I believe it can be. After all its the Holy Spirit that IS God!
 
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Matthew 12:32
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Could this be the ultimate sin that dooms a person to Hell forever?

yes - this is widespread and now clearly seen by claiming inspiration via the HS resulting in and producing as fruits, mistakes, errors, delusion, deception, division, disunity, disputes, divergence, and confusion - this cannot and will not be forgiven for it remains as unrepentant by most - wincam
 

p_rehbein

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Matthew 12:32
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Could this be the ultimate sin that dooms a person to Hell forever?
Did you read the last part of the sentence of the Scripture you quoted?

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Matthew 12:32
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Could this be the ultimate sin that dooms a person to Hell forever?
This is saying that you can speak a word against the man Christ Jesus,the flesh,but you cannot speak a word against the Holy Spirit,and be forgiven.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is saying God is evil,when He is good,like the Pharisees that said Jesus cast out devils,by the prince of the devils,which they were saying He has an unclean spirit,which Jesus said,why would Satan go against his own,for how can they stand if they are not united,his kingdom will fall.

1.Saying God in the Old Testament is cruel,when He only had good intentions,to preserve both physical life,and cause people to be right with Him,putting down the bad guys that were physically cruel,and hindered people from the truth,which would of been worse had God not interceded.

2.Saying God does not love Me,God does not care about Me,or God is punishing Me.

3.Blaming God for natural disasters,broken up marriages,problems in people's lives,the wrongful ways of people.

4.Anything that says God is evil concerning His dealing with mankind is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

God only has good intentions towards humanity,not bad.
 
Jul 1, 2016
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I believe it can be. After all its the Holy Spirit that IS God!
sir, you got all bent out of shape when I said, "God IS the Holy Spirit".
But here you say "its the Holy Spirit that IS God".
what gives?
 
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TonyJay

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sir, you got all bent out of shape when I said, "God IS the Holy Spirit".
But here you say "its the Holy Spirit that IS God".
what gives?
You deny that the Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity because you have stated that God the Father is the same as the Holy Spirit, in other words the same person.
 
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You deny that the Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity because you have stated that God the Father is the same as the Holy Spirit, in other words the same person.
God is Spirit, right?
It seems like the argument might be about definitions.
I don't think I used the word "trinity" or the word "person".
I may have, but I don't remember.
 
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TonyJay

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God is Spirit, right?
It seems like the argument might be about definitions.
I don't think I used the word "trinity" or the word "person".
I may have, but I don't remember.
This is what you said:

"does that relate to the thread?
anyway, I will give you an answer, but I reserve the right to be wrong.
I do not believe in the trinity.
Now we could get off on a goose chase and argue this for a few hundred posts, but remember, I am simply answering your question.

I believe God, YHVH, IS the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit).
I believe His Son, Yeshua, is the physical manifestation of Himself.
I don't see a need for a third?
anyway, remember, you asked. I will not argue this."

Highlights are mine.

These might be your beliefs but there is NOTHING Christian in them.

 
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This is saying that you can speak a word against the man Christ Jesus,the flesh,but you cannot speak a word against the Holy Spirit,and be forgiven.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is saying God is evil,when He is good,like the Pharisees that said Jesus cast out devils,by the prince of the devils,which they were saying He has an unclean spirit,which Jesus said,why would Satan go against his own,for how can they stand if they are not united,his kingdom will fall.

1.Saying God in the Old Testament is cruel,when He only had good intentions,to preserve both physical life,and cause people to be right with Him,putting down the bad guys that were physically cruel,and hindered people from the truth,which would of been worse had God not interceded.

2.Saying God does not love Me,God does not care about Me,or God is punishing Me.

3.Blaming God for natural disasters,broken up marriages,problems in people's lives,the wrongful ways of people.

4.Anything that says God is evil concerning His dealing with mankind is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

God only has good intentions towards humanity,not bad.
Exactly! God simply does not accept worship as a the Son of man in respect an outward appearance of the temporal flesh By which he demonstrated the otherwise unseen spiritual work of his faith pouring out His Spirit ,as if it was blood. The flesh profited him nothing as far as payment for sin.
 
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This is what you said:

"does that relate to the thread?
anyway, I will give you an answer, but I reserve the right to be wrong.
I do not believe in the trinity.
Now we could get off on a goose chase and argue this for a few hundred posts, but remember, I am simply answering your question.

I believe God, YHVH, IS the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit).
I believe His Son, Yeshua, is the physical manifestation of Himself.
I don't see a need for a third?
anyway, remember, you asked. I will not argue this."

Highlights are mine.

These might be your beliefs but there is NOTHING Christian in them.

Okay, teach me where I am wrong.
I often pray that I remain teachable. If you say that is wrong, bring out your Scriptures and teach.
 
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TonyJay

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Okay, teach me where I am wrong.
I often pray that I remain teachable. If you say that is wrong, bring out your Scriptures and teach.
Your preference is to read into Scripture what you wish to see - you have an agenda to imprint onto Scripture.
This is eisegesis.
Read Scripture instead to get out of it what it is saying.
This is exegesis.

You claim to believe Scripture but that is not my impression at all.
How can it be that in a single book such as Roman's there can be such apparent contradiction in its teachings.
It is clearly written to refute the claim that righteousness comes by the law.
It also clearly claims that believers are not subject to the law.
I have seen you quote individual verses out of Romans to support your point of view but I see no commitment from you to properly look at its entire contents so that the full context of those individual verses can be appreciated.

Paul is an amazingly logical fellow, he is not confused.
However, I see you interpreting what he says as if he was Moses - well he is not.
In fact, the covenant that he is expounding does not have its roots in Moses or Levitical law but in Abraham.
And for that reason it cannot be about the law, but, it is instead, of faith.

If you say that you are teachable then let us, in private, expound Romans verse-by-verse, chapter-by-chapter.
Your issues with the Trinity are just a symptom of much bigger issues.
 
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Your preference is to read into Scripture what you wish to see - you have an agenda to imprint onto Scripture.
This is eisegesis.
Read Scripture instead to get out of it what it is saying.
This is exegesis.

You claim to believe Scripture but that is not my impression at all.
How can it be that in a single book such as Roman's there can be such apparent contradiction in its teachings.
It is clearly written to refute the claim that righteousness comes by the law.
It also clearly claims that believers are not subject to the law.
I have seen you quote individual verses out of Romans to support your point of view but I see no commitment from you to properly look at its entire contents so that the full context of those individual verses can be appreciated.

Paul is an amazingly logical fellow, he is not confused.
However, I see you interpreting what he says as if he was Moses - well he is not.
In fact, the covenant that he is expounding does not have its roots in Moses or Levitical law but in Abraham.
And for that reason it cannot be about the law, but, it is instead, of faith.

If you say that you are teachable then let us, in private, expound Romans verse-by-verse, chapter-by-chapter.
Your issues with the Trinity are just a symptom of much bigger issues.
righteousness for salvation come through the Messiah.
but make no mistake, God's laws are righteous, even perfect, as it is called in Psalms.
I think Paul is misunderstood a lot because all most of us are concerned about is the free ticket to heaven.
but sure, in private, anytime you are ready.
 
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TonyJay

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righteousness for salvation come through the Messiah.
but make no mistake, God's laws are righteous, even perfect, as it is called in Psalms.
I think Paul is misunderstood a lot because all most of us are concerned about is the free ticket to heaven.
but sure, in private, anytime you are ready.
I think you may be in for a surprise!
 
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I would think because the word trinity does not appear in the scriptures as something someone must believe as a doctrine. Much confusion can come in . God uses three as a metaphorical number to represent the end of a matter of whatever is in view throughout the scriptures in parables as patterns.

God is one.... according to His one faith work of His faith a labor of His love.. It can be explained using three. But in the end of the matter God is still one person who has no mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life..

The father and Son are attributes tied together by the work of one Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God. He uses three to show us the end of the matter.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
 

mailmandan

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This case of blasphemy is a specific one, called "the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:31. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees, having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon "Beelzebub" (Matthew 12:24). Now notice that in Mark 3:30 Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit." This stemmed from UNBELIEF.