How was Jesus "raised for our justification"?
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Man I wish I could remember I was hearing a sermon on this just the other day! But i'll give it my best shot.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Christ took our place on the cross, endured the wrath of God, and resurrected. The resurrection was a proof that he really did take our own sins, and as a result saved us. He took our old man on the cross and killed him there, by his resurrection we live. The whole idea being that since we died with Christ on the cross, he rose in newness of life, giving us eternal life because the law, the curse, etc. etc. was killed on that cross on our behalf. The only problem being that the old man likes to come down from the cross and harass us. Which is why he wrote Romans 7.
Another similar thought is this...
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
My thoughts sound pretty scattered, in my mind it's pretty solid but i'm not having a very good time presenting it as best as possible.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Christ took our place on the cross, endured the wrath of God, and resurrected. The resurrection was a proof that he really did take our own sins, and as a result saved us. He took our old man on the cross and killed him there, by his resurrection we live. The whole idea being that since we died with Christ on the cross, he rose in newness of life, giving us eternal life because the law, the curse, etc. etc. was killed on that cross on our behalf. The only problem being that the old man likes to come down from the cross and harass us. Which is why he wrote Romans 7.
Another similar thought is this...
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
My thoughts sound pretty scattered, in my mind it's pretty solid but i'm not having a very good time presenting it as best as possible.
below is from a comment on Romans 4:25.
Rom. 4:25 Both the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ are necessary for forgiveness of sins and justification. raised for our justification. When God the Father raised Christ from the dead, it was a demonstration that he accepted Christ's suffering and death as full payment for sin, and that the Father's favor, no longer his wrath against sin, was directed toward Christ, and through Christ toward those who believe. Since Paul sees Christians as united with Christ in his death and resurrection (6:6, 8–11; Eph. 2:6; Col. 2:12; 3:1), God's approval of Christ at the resurrection results in God's approval also of all who are united to Christ, and in this way results in their “justification.”
The me the ESV translation makes it easier to understand what is being said.
In Love
Phil
Rom. 4:25 Both the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ are necessary for forgiveness of sins and justification. raised for our justification. When God the Father raised Christ from the dead, it was a demonstration that he accepted Christ's suffering and death as full payment for sin, and that the Father's favor, no longer his wrath against sin, was directed toward Christ, and through Christ toward those who believe. Since Paul sees Christians as united with Christ in his death and resurrection (6:6, 8–11; Eph. 2:6; Col. 2:12; 3:1), God's approval of Christ at the resurrection results in God's approval also of all who are united to Christ, and in this way results in their “justification.”
The me the ESV translation makes it easier to understand what is being said.
In Love
Phil
God didnt need proof, for it was Himself who ordained the work of the cross.
It was the act of death that took God's wrath, our sins where transfered to that cross, and Christ's righteouness was transfered to us (imputed). this was the propisious act to deal with God's wrath, the resurrection is victory over death itself, we have died to Christ are sins are wiped out (expiation) the wrath of God has been appeased (propitiation) and now we are alive in Christ, death no longer has its hold.
I am not sure about the proof that you are looking for? I am at work at present so hope the details above are correct.
Phil
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I understood the notes but in this case I don't think the notes relate well to the verse.
The verse says He was raised for our justification, seemingly meaning that His being raised is what justified us in the sight of God, and not His death as is usually spoken of as having this effect. This is what confuses me.
The verse says He was raised for our justification, seemingly meaning that His being raised is what justified us in the sight of God, and not His death as is usually spoken of as having this effect. This is what confuses me.
You could say that, the death and resurrection where for our Justification (right standing before God), we could not stand before Him or be in Him (vice versa) with the sin problem.
There are two things:
The repentant believer is thus 'Justified' (made right--eous) before God. it is your right standing as an adopted chiold before God. you have been made right again 'reconciled to God'.
I think I'm making a pigs ear of explaing this lol
Anyhow, if Christ was not raised then neither would we be, thus we would not have been able to beat death in Christ, if you read post 8 and this it might help.
Phil
There are two things:
- God's righteous wrath has to be dealt with.
- and our sin needs to be delt with.
The repentant believer is thus 'Justified' (made right--eous) before God. it is your right standing as an adopted chiold before God. you have been made right again 'reconciled to God'.
I think I'm making a pigs ear of explaing this lol
Anyhow, if Christ was not raised then neither would we be, thus we would not have been able to beat death in Christ, if you read post 8 and this it might help.
Phil
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[FONT="]Romans 3:23-28 (NKJ) [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, [FONT="]to demonstrate His righteousness[/FONT], because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
26 [FONT="]to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness[/FONT], that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
[FONT="]28[/FONT][FONT="] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law[/FONT]
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, [FONT="]to demonstrate His righteousness[/FONT], because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
26 [FONT="]to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness[/FONT], that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
[FONT="]28[/FONT][FONT="] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law[/FONT]