everything that does not come from faith is sin

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Feb 24, 2015
13,204
168
0
#1
"everything that does not come from faith is sin" Rom 14:23

One legalistic faith took the view that in their faith if the law did not mention
the moral issue it was ok to do whatever the action was.

Paul could be making a simple rule. If an action is not dealt with within the faith,
or the precepts or principles cannot be extended to take it into account it is
therefore sin or wrong.

Now imagine I take the view, that we are no longer under law, no rules apply to
me other than the ones I myself set. The idea is condemnation or guilt itself is
evil. So in this view of faith, there is no sin inside or outside faith.

If I take the view faith says I follow the moral law of the Spirit, which looks at the
fruit and precepts behind all actions, then this takes precedence over any other
view of morality, so the phrase "everything not from faith is sin" does not fit.

If Paul was rather saying if in the law an action is banned and faith does not free
you from this banned action, then you need to follow your conscience, it actually
makes sense. So rather than being an open statement, Paul is emphasising the law
of the Spirit is about honouring Christ and how you express your love.

As some think in effect Paul is saying all actions done by non-believers is sin, this is
a wild distortion of what Paul is meaning or intending. They like this idea, because it
justifies their concept things done based on self are sinful, of the flesh, even for
christians, and the war on self actions is the definition of the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
Feb 26, 2015
737
7
0
#2
Any line of conduct or any act which is not the outflow of Faith becomes sin. This is the Holy Spirits answer to questionable things. As the believer is saved by Faith, just so the believer is to walk by Faith.
 
F

FreeNChrist

Guest
#3
Anything that is not of faith is sin, because substituting our own activities for Gods is our sin, but faith receives the sinless activity of Christ. Are we living by faith in Christ alone? Are we living in dependence upon Him, trusting Him, being receptive to Him and His activity? Because that is all that matters. God is Love. Jesus is God. Faith expressing itself through love is the only thing that counts, and that is Jesus expressing His love to us, and through us to others as we live by faith in Him.

"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."
Galatians 5:6
 
Feb 24, 2015
13,204
168
0
#4
Anything that is not of faith is sin, because substituting our own activities for Gods is our sin, but faith receives the sinless activity of Christ. Are we living by faith in Christ alone? Are we living in dependence upon Him, trusting Him, being receptive to Him and His activity? Because that is all that matters. God is Love. Jesus is God. Faith expressing itself through love is the only thing that counts, and that is Jesus expressing His love to us, and through us to others as we live by faith in Him.

"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."
Galatians 5:6
"substituting our own activities for Gods is our sin"

This is a very unbounded idea. Our activities is everything we do.
God's activities is everything He does.

"Jesus expressing His love to us, and through us to others as we live by faith in Him"

Now in this sentence the idea is Gods love in us, is expressed to others by our activities.

So two separate ideas are here. Some activities we do are good, God expressing His love
through us to others, and Gods activities.

Now if all our activities are a reflection of Gods love to us, then none of our activities are
excluded.

But I believe some might think unless an activity has the God stamp of approval on it, it is
sinful. It easily becomes a source of condemnation a guilt, where everything must go
through the right motivation filter, rather than walking as a child and trusting God to show
you where you need to go, and what you need to do.
 
F

FreeNChrist

Guest
#5
Like I said substituting our own activities for Gods is sin. And you are one who should really, really take that to heart.
 
Nov 12, 2015
9,112
822
113
#6
"substituting our own activities for Gods is our sin"

This is a very unbounded idea. Our activities is everything we do.
God's activities is everything He does.

"Jesus expressing His love to us, and through us to others as we live by faith in Him"

Now in this sentence the idea is Gods love in us, is expressed to others by our activities.

So two separate ideas are here. Some activities we do are good, God expressing His love
through us to others, and Gods activities.

Now if all our activities are a reflection of Gods love to us, then none of our activities are
excluded.

But I believe some might think unless an activity has the God stamp of approval on it, it is
sinful. It easily becomes a source of condemnation a guilt, where everything must go
through the right motivation filter, rather than walking as a child and trusting God to show
you where you need to go, and what you need to do.
This is true that everything must go through a motivation filter. It's a very good way of putting it!
God is ALWAYS concerned about what our hearts motive is in anything!

You know, my sister applied for a teaching job at a Christian school. She didn't get hired because she couldn't give the answers they wanted. They had all these questions she had to answer, like is getting a tattoo a sin? Is dancing a sin? Is reading a secular fiction novel a sin?
And to each of the questions, she had to answer the same way. She answered: It depends on what your hearts motivation is and what you are doing in your heart.

God DOES put everything through a motivation filter! :)
 
Feb 24, 2015
13,204
168
0
#7
God DOES put everything through a motivation filter! :)
Let me ask a simple question then. Why did not God say, look at your motives for everything you
do?

Most things I do for simple reasons. I am commanded to love God from the heart, to serve others
to love others, to meet need. If the Lord wants to shine light on me for doing something for the wrong
reason, then amen, but I have no motivation filter.

When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
James 4:3


All a person’s ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the Lord.
Prov 16:2

There are many arguments that could be made why I am motivated to do lots of
different things, but in truth, if I am following the Lords leading, and my spirit rejoices
then amen. So many things I have no clue why I need to do it, or why, I just follow.

This for me is following the Lord.
 
Feb 7, 2015
22,418
413
0
#8
Let me ask a simple question then. Why did not God say, look at your motives for everything you
do?

Most things I do for simple reasons. I am commanded to love God from the heart, to serve others
to love others, to meet need. If the Lord wants to shine light on me for doing something for the wrong
reason, then amen, but I have no motivation filter.

When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
James 4:3


All a person’s ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the Lord.
Prov 16:2

There are many arguments that could be made why I am motivated to do lots of
different things, but in truth, if I am following the Lords leading, and my spirit rejoices
then amen. So many things I have no clue why I need to do it, or why, I just follow.

This for me is following the Lord.
THAT is more than obvious at times. LOL
 
Feb 24, 2015
13,204
168
0
#9
THAT is more than obvious at times. LOL
Willie - people read in so much, that is just not there. If I worried about this I would never
get up in the morning.
 
Jul 23, 2015
1,950
7
0
#11
:rofl: perhaps his superman
cause he was always misunderstood
so dont be naive
even heroes has the right to bleed
thats what the songs says
not me
 
Nov 12, 2015
9,112
822
113
#12
Let me ask a simple question then. Why did not God say, look at your motives for everything you
do?

Most things I do for simple reasons. I am commanded to love God from the heart, to serve others
to love others, to meet need. If the Lord wants to shine light on me for doing something for the wrong
reason, then amen, but I have no motivation filter.

When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
James 4:3


All a person’s ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the Lord.
Prov 16:2

There are many arguments that could be made why I am motivated to do lots of
different things, but in truth, if I am following the Lords leading, and my spirit rejoices
then amen. So many things I have no clue why I need to do it, or why, I just follow.

This for me is following the Lord.
GM peter!
But surely He has dealt with you on your motivations at times.
We are quite capable of plastering fig leaves all over our heart so that we don't see our true motivations.
In our day and age, these fig leaves are called "justifications."
We have great fear of our inner sins being exposed by the light.
But we have to know what our hearts are capable of or we will never come to distrust ourselves or see our inner deceits (fig leaves). But to admit the truth is what begins to set us free from it! Even in Alcoholics Anonymous, they have great wisdom because they say: the very first step is admitting you have a problem. If you can't see that or you refuse to admit it, no one can help you further. All they can do is wait for you to crash and burn and get to a low enough point that you are ready to admit there IS a problem.

We always are more forgiving of ourselves and make great allowance for ourselves, convincing ourselves that our motives are pure and without self esteem. But with others, we more readily ascribe evil motives to them.
 
Nov 12, 2015
9,112
822
113
#13
THAT is more than obvious at times. LOL
Please brother...this is not helpful. It is not good. But we love your insights and love talking with you. :)
Put down the stick before you poke someones eye out. :)
Have some coffee and come back because we need you. :)