Be a doer of righteousness, not just a hearer

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Matthew 7:21-27 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

It is very clear in the above that Jesus was saying be a doer of His words and sayings, not just a hearer who does not.
 
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Matthew 7:21-27 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

It is very clear in the above that Jesus was saying be a doer of His words and sayings, not just a hearer who does not.


Good one,
Jesus gave us four keys to succeed In Luke's account of it, Lk 6:46--48.
[1]Make Jesus lord.
[2]Continually walk with Him, [The meaning of "Cometh to Me", is a continuous walk with Him]
[3]Be a doer of the word, AS YOU SAID.
[4]Dig beep and lay the foundation on the rock, [Dig deep into God's word and build the foundation on Jesus the living word]

Then when the storms of life come, We'll be victorious.
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:

19 Do not put out the Spirit's fire;
20 do not treat prophecies with contempt.
21 Test everything. Hold on to the good.

Compared to:

Jeremiah 24:2

One basket had very good figs, like those that ripen early; the other basket had very bad figs, so bad they could not be eaten.

If there is a need to say, from that above it may be thought that when reading explanations of scripture a person should separate the parts that are true from the parts that are false in the explanations and "Hold on to the good." and that there should be no biased judgement.

What may you think after looking at what you may look at below ?

"Wherefore said He not, “but he that doeth my will?” Because for the time it was a great gain for them to receive even this first; yea it was very great, considering their weakness. And moreover He intimated the one also by the other. And withal this may be mentioned, that in fact there is no other will of the Son besides that of the Father.

And here He seems to me to be censuring the Jews chiefly, laying as they did the whole stress upon the doctrines, and taking no care of practice. For which Paul also blames them, saying, “Behold thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, and knowest His will:” “Who then are these men?” you ask. Many of them that believed received gifts such as he that was casting out devils, and was not with Him; such as Judas; for even he too, wicked as he was, had a gift. And in the Old Testament also this may be found, in that grace hath oftentimes wrought upon unworthy persons, that it might do good to others. That is, since all men were not meet for all things, but some were of a pure life, not having so great faith, and others just the contrary; by these sayings, while He urges the one to show forth much faith, the others too He was summoning by this His unspeakable gift to become better men. Wherefore also with great abundance did He bestow that grace. For “we wrought,” it is said, “many mighty works.” But “then will I profess unto them, I knew you not.” For “now indeed they suppose they are my friends; but then shall they know, that not as to friends did I give to them.”

And why marvel if He hath bestowed gifts on men that have believed on Him, though without life suitable to their faith, when even on those who have fallen from both these, He is unquestionably found working? For so Balaam was an alien both from faith and from a truly good life; nevertheless grace wrought on him for the service of other men. And Pharaoh too was of the same sort: yet for all that even to him He signified the things to come. And Nebuchadnezzar was very full of iniquity; yet to him again He revealed what was to follow after many generations. And again to the son of this last, though surpassing his father in iniquity, He signified the things to come, ordering a marvellous and great dispensation. Accordingly because then also the beginnings of the gospel were taking place, and it was requisite that the manifestation of its power should be abundant, many even of the unworthy used to receive gifts. Howbeit, from those miracles no gain accrued to them; rather they are the more punished. Wherefore unto them did He utter even that fearful saying, “I never knew you:” there being many for whom His hatred begins already even here; whom He turns away from, even before the judgment.

Let us fear therefore, beloved; and let us take great heed to our life, neither let us account ourselves worse off, in that we do not work miracles now. For that will never be any advantage to us, as neither any disadvantage in our not working them, if we take heed to all virtue. Because for the miracles we ourselves are debtors, but for our life and our doings we have God our debtor.

3. Having now, you see, finished all, having discoursed accurately of all virtue, and pointed out the pretenders to it, of divers kinds, both such as for display fast and make prayers, and such as come in the sheep’s hide; and them too that spoil it, whom He also called swine and dogs: He proceeds to signify how great is the profit of virtue even here, and how great the mischief of wickedness, by saying,

“Whosoever therefore heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man.”

As thus: What they shall suffer who do not (although they work miracles), ye have heard; but ye should know also what such as obey all these sayings shall enjoy; not in the world to come only, but even here. “For whosoever,” saith He, “heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened to a wise man.”

Seest thou how He varies His discourse; at one time saying, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,” and revealing Himself; at another time, “He that doeth the will of my Father;” and again, bringing in Himself as judge, “For many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and I will say, I know you not.” And here again He indicates Himself to have the power over all, this being why He said, “Whosoever heareth these sayings of mine.”"

NPNF1-10. St. Chrysostom: Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
 
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James 2:14-26 faith without works is dead.
 

BenFTW

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How do you do righteousness and not sin (at all)? Can you explain to me your personal method of attaining that goal? Do you do it, or does God sanctify you? Both? Do you look to the Law of Moses or do you renew your mind? Maybe you set practical goals while also trusting in God for the grace to be victorious? Please share. :)
 
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The question I ask is very different.

Does a believer love righteousness and hate wickedness?

They must turn from evil and do good; they must seek peace and pursue it.
1 Peter 3:11

The whole point of walking in love, is that there are no real rules, you see a need and
jump in. It is about empathy, understanding, having an open heart and loving spirit.

So let me put this in a context.

You meet a beautiful woman. She is 19 years old, carrying the hopes of her parents,
a certain innocense and niave trust in other people. She is vulnerable and needy.

Now do you see the young girl, who grew up with great hopes, who has learnt many
things, and has a great future as a mother, as a friend, as a child of the King, or as
a way of gratifying your own sexual desire?

Both pictures are there, but which one wins? One is honourable and righteous, one
is full of sin and self indulgent.

Most real sinful situations are just like this, two paths and you choose. If you are
walking in the light it is simple. Many want to obscure the issues, and invent their
own failures and ways of condemning themselves so they can never actually deal
with the things that bother them and have never been resolved because they have
actually given up. And it normally revolves around deep hurt, and not being
understood.
 
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Matthew 7:21-27 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

It is very clear in the above that Jesus was saying be a doer of His words and sayings, not just a hearer who does not.
The problem is less about being a doer, than it is about being a hearer. What are we hearing? Or rather Who are we hearing? In the new covenant the "Word" to be heard is the living Lord Jesus Christ. It is Christ's "doing" that allows for, and becomes the basis of our own doing. He is the Obedient One. And He provides everything necessary for us to listen under Him and respond in the obedience of faith that allows Him to live out His life in us and through us.

But, are we hearing?

"In efficacious grace we are not merely passive, nor yet does God do some and we do the rest. But God does all, and we do all. God produces all, we act all. For that is what produces, viz. our own acts. God is the only proper author and fountain; we only are the proper actors. We are in different respects, wholly passive and wholly active. " -Jonathan Edwards
 
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Matthew 7:21-27 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

It is very clear in the above that Jesus was saying be a doer of His words and sayings, not just a hearer who does not.
Agreed, Good afternoon to you ISIT.

I will post this to yours in agreement to with the word of the Lord on the same


"Lord, Lord" is often used in examples where he is adressing them
who do not the things which he says.

For example,


He
then goes onto the one "coming to" him, and hearing him and doing what he says



And this is a man laying the foundation on a rock (in hearing Christ and doing His words)



Whereas this one is without a foundation (which heareth and doeth not Christ's words)



Again here, we see "Lord, Lord" is tied into not doing the will of the Father







The next verse is often cut off but we have a "therefore" following in verse 24



And to "the contrary of" building "upon a rock" (as wise) as is shown in verse 24
but below as "upon the sand" in verse 26 has to do with not doing his sayings



And as it relates to the foundation Paul says,




Which would be in contrast to them which were adressed by Christ in this manner



The word "never" in the above (Mat 7:23) comes into dispute so here is another verse besides in Luke 13:27



But "even if" that were to be taken up and argued against what Christ shows in both places concerning working inquity

This one here
,



Has been (much earlier) proceeded by that one which sayeth Lord, Lord and "doeth not" his sayings in Mat 7:21

And is followed up behind by a therefore as is shown here in Mat 7:24 (which is often cut off)



So we have Paul saying, "let every one that nameth the name of the Christ
to depart from inquity" and we have the words Jesus said he would say to them, which was
"I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity" (Whether in Mat 7:23 or Luke 13:27 )

We have "In thy name" is mentioned three times in things believers would also do as is shown in Matt 7:22

and where it shows he knows not these which say to him "Lord Lord". Of those which say the same in Luke 13:25-27 unto whom he says, "I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye that work iniquity". Whereas in 2 Ti 2:19 Paul confirms the foundation of God standeth sure itself (which is Jesus Christ and his words (in Luke 6:49) and the seal itself in the same, saying, "The Lord knoweth them that are his", and commands them which name the name of Christ (alluded to in Mat 7:22 three times) to depart from iniquity. Seeing it shows them which work it are told to depart from him (Jesus Christ) who himself loveth righteousness and hateth iniquity (Heb 1:9)

Paul then, would be aware that Jesus said he would say unto such "I never knew you, depart from me ye that "work iniquity" (as is shown in Matt 7:23 ) or as is shown in Luke 13:27 where he says, "I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity". And I only add that in (again) since there is some argument over the word "never" in Matt 7:23 so I thought I should include Luke 13:27 also nevertheless Mat 7:24 must be disregarded and that "therefore" (in respects to obedience) which grace is actually for Romans 1:5, 1 Peter 1:2


So he was sent to bless in turning them away from their inquities




That he might redeem us from all iniquity




Who we yeild ourselves to, as obedience is unto righteousness



Even when we were once disobedient, as grace is for the obedience of the faith


And as ye have yeilded your members to inquity change course be servants of righteousness



I redid this also.

Peace, God bless you
 
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How do you do righteousness and not sin (at all)? Can you explain to me your personal method of attaining that goal? Do you do it, or does God sanctify you? Both? Do you look to the Law of Moses or do you renew your mind? Maybe you set practical goals while also trusting in God for the grace to be victorious? Please share. :)
Through Christ you can do all things. Believe in the power of God to work a good work in you. :)

Philippians 2:13

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.


Hebrews 13:21

Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 
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Agreed, Good afternoon to you ISIT.

I will post this to yours in agreement to with the word of the Lord on the same


"Lord, Lord" is often used in examples where he is adressing them
who do not the things which he says.

For example,


He
then goes onto the one "coming to" him, and hearing him and doing what he says



And this is a man laying the foundation on a rock (in hearing Christ and doing His words)



Whereas this one is without a foundation (which heareth and doeth not Christ's words)



Again here, we see "Lord, Lord" is tied into not doing the will of the Father







The next verse is often cut off but we have a "therefore" following in verse 24



And to "the contrary of" building "upon a rock" (as wise) as is shown in verse 24
but below as "upon the sand" in verse 26 has to do with not doing his sayings



And as it relates to the foundation Paul says,




Which would be in contrast to them which were adressed by Christ in this manner



The word "never" in the above (Mat 7:23) comes into dispute so here is another verse besides in Luke 13:27



But "even if" that were to be taken up and argued against what Christ shows in both places concerning working inquity

This one here
,



Has been (much earlier) proceeded by that one which sayeth Lord, Lord and "doeth not" his sayings in Mat 7:21

And is followed up behind by a therefore as is shown here in Mat 7:24 (which is often cut off)



So we have Paul saying, "let every one that nameth the name of the Christ
to depart from inquity" and we have the words Jesus said he would say to them, which was
"I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity" (Whether in Mat 7:23 or Luke 13:27 )

We have "In thy name" is mentioned three times in things believers would also do as is shown in Matt 7:22

and where it shows he knows not these which say to him "Lord Lord". Of those which say the same in Luke 13:25-27 unto whom he says, "I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye that work iniquity". Whereas in 2 Ti 2:19 Paul confirms the foundation of God standeth sure itself (which is Jesus Christ and his words (in Luke 6:49) and the seal itself in the same, saying, "The Lord knoweth them that are his", and commands them which name the name of Christ (alluded to in Mat 7:22 three times) to depart from iniquity. Seeing it shows them which work it are told to depart from him (Jesus Christ) who himself loveth righteousness and hateth iniquity (Heb 1:9)

Paul then, would be aware that Jesus said he would say unto such "I never knew you, depart from me ye that "work iniquity" (as is shown in Matt 7:23 ) or as is shown in Luke 13:27 where he says, "I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity". And I only add that in (again) since there is some argument over the word "never" in Matt 7:23 so I thought I should include Luke 13:27 also nevertheless Mat 7:24 must be disregarded and that "therefore" (in respects to obedience) which grace is actually for Romans 1:5, 1 Peter 1:2


So he was sent to bless in turning them away from their inquities




That he might redeem us from all iniquity




Who we yeild ourselves to, as obedience is unto righteousness



Even when we were once disobedient, as grace is for the obedience of the faith


And as ye have yeilded your members to inquity change course be servants of righteousness



I redid this also.

Peace, God bless you
Thanks for that great confirmation of Jesus' words, and a great post! Doers of iniquity=workers of iniquity, are opposite of being doers of righteousness. And we know all unrighteousness is sin, and unrighteousness shall not inherit the Kingdom of God, so why would one argue against "doing" Jesus sayings, which is "doing" righteousness? :)
 
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Let those who love the Lord hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 97:10

The righteous hate what is false, but the wicked make themselves a stench and bring shame on themselves.
Prov 13:5

You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Heb 1:9

The name of the righteous is used in blessings, but the name of the wicked will rot.
Prov 10:7

A heart at peace gives life to the body, but envy rots the bones.
Prov 14:30

Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes.
James 5:2

This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
Zech 14:12
 
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You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Heb 1:9
What is also interesting there in those also who love righteousness and hate iniquity is the sealing aspect (anointing of the Spirit) sealing his servants as well, who also sigh and cry over all the abominations they see in the world, as was also shown in Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 9:4
And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
 
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Thanks for that great confirmation of Jesus' words, and a great post! Doers of iniquity=workers of iniquity, are opposite of being doers of righteousness. And we know all unrighteousness is sin, and unrighteousness shall not inherit the Kingdom of God, so why would one argue against "doing" Jesus sayings, which is "doing" righteousness? :)
Thanks Bro, and thats a good question, I think I'll let someone who would seek to dispute with His words on that point take up their answer against him in that one.