Authority of the Scriptures?
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You need to expound on what you are trying to show by this verse. In other words please explain why you think this verse fits.
Posting verses is fine. But there are some who may not understand what you are saying. We need to get a dialog going, not just posting Scriptures.
I hope this helps you. I will say this was the main issue when the True Christians broke away from the Catholic Church.
Posting verses is fine. But there are some who may not understand what you are saying. We need to get a dialog going, not just posting Scriptures.
I hope this helps you. I will say this was the main issue when the True Christians broke away from the Catholic Church.
I'm not compelled to explain it. I have much more important work to do. I may explain it in future. I'm not boasting, just telling it how it is, it was a wise post I made for this thread.
I agree some people may not understand "I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say" in 1 Corinthians 10:15.
Part of 1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.
I don't say this arrogantly and selfishly, I don't trust you after reading what you've said to me so far. God wants me to obey what is in 1 John 4:1 which you may look at below.
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
What may you think after comparing the parts of a Bible you may look at below ?
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.
James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
I agree some people may not understand "I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say" in 1 Corinthians 10:15.
Part of 1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.
I don't say this arrogantly and selfishly, I don't trust you after reading what you've said to me so far. God wants me to obey what is in 1 John 4:1 which you may look at below.
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
What may you think after comparing the parts of a Bible you may look at below ?
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.
James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
we so love 'notuptome's faith - but just realize brothers and sisters, that our numerous-NEW-Bibles, and there
are so many now with so many different interpretations, that we must dig and examine from just where there
own particular beliefs-interpretations' are coming from,,,
also, please always remember, when our hearts are called out of this wicked world by Jesus Christ,
the Holy Spirit becomes our real-Teacher and will lead us and tell us who we must listen to and trust
concerning our Heavenly Father's Holy Commands-words-edicts, His very Heart, that He Commands us
to obey and heed to,
no matter what others of their own faiths and 'new-bibles have tried to convince us of, even from childhood...
this is what makes us a peculiar and un-popular people...who Love, Respect, and Obey, our Holy Father...
are so many now with so many different interpretations, that we must dig and examine from just where there
own particular beliefs-interpretations' are coming from,,,
also, please always remember, when our hearts are called out of this wicked world by Jesus Christ,
the Holy Spirit becomes our real-Teacher and will lead us and tell us who we must listen to and trust
concerning our Heavenly Father's Holy Commands-words-edicts, His very Heart, that He Commands us
to obey and heed to,
no matter what others of their own faiths and 'new-bibles have tried to convince us of, even from childhood...
this is what makes us a peculiar and un-popular people...who Love, Respect, and Obey, our Holy Father...
matthew 12:18 ""Here is My servant, whom I have chosen, My beloved, in whom My soul delights. I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will proclaim justice to the nations."
mark 9:7"Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: "This is My beloved Son. Listen to Him!"
matthew 28:18-120 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
john 3:31 "The One who comes from above is above all. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks as one from the earth. The One who comes from heaven is above all."
matthew 11:27 "All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him."
acts 10:36 "He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
thwe authority n all of scripture is Jesus and Hos words, that's where all arguments will be settled and the only place the church can be truly united, when Jesus is the authority Lord of all is who He is, His words?
matthew 24:35"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."
john 6:63 "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life."
john 6:68 Simon Peter replied, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.
Jesus is the authority, His words, are the very words of God Himself
john 12:49 "For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken"
deut. 18:18"'I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him."
john 7:16 "My teaching is not My own," Jesus replied. "It comes from Him who sent Me.
Jesus spoke the new and eternal covenant
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Jesus Himself commissioned Paul to explain the gospel of the grace of Christ after the cross. The words of Paul are the very words of the Lord Jesus Christ - even Peter understood this face back then.
Paul did not get the gospel from anyone - the Lord Himself by revelation gave it to Him and explained what happened to a believer that is now in Christ when they believed in Him.
2 Peter 3:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Paul did not get the gospel from anyone - the Lord Himself by revelation gave it to Him and explained what happened to a believer that is now in Christ when they believed in Him.
2 Peter 3:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
The Authority of the scriptures is from God.. Any interpretation you may hear from this or that church or another religious person may or may not be authoritative. We must rely on the conviction / guidance of the Holy Spirit to defend us from false interpretations when we hear them and convince us of true interpretations when we here them..
It may come as a suprise to some but the Bible didn't drop from heaven in KJV English complete with Black Leather binding.
The OT was accepted by the Church from the beginning without dispute. The NT took a couple of centuries for all the books to be recognized as Scripture and to take the form it now has. Even now there are still a few national churches that include 3 Corinthians,Laodicians, Barnabas and 1 Clement as scripture
The OT was accepted by the Church from the beginning without dispute. The NT took a couple of centuries for all the books to be recognized as Scripture and to take the form it now has. Even now there are still a few national churches that include 3 Corinthians,Laodicians, Barnabas and 1 Clement as scripture
What may you think of the website you may examine partly by using the link below ?
Biblical Canon
http://bible-researcher.com/links04.html
Biblical Canon
http://bible-researcher.com/links04.html
The Church only has authority when It's teaching The scriptures, and doing what they say.
The scriptures are the word of God, and there is authority in God's word.
The RCC will tell you that the Church, [And they mean the Catholic church], has the authority to interpret the scriptures.
But God has given Christians the Holy Spirit to reveal Biblical truths to us, as we study the word.
I always say, "You read the Bible when you don't need it, And the Holy Spirit will bring out the truths when you do need it.
2 Peter 1
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Peter said Scripture is a more sure thing than his experience upon the mount when he physically heard God speak to His Son. The Scriptures are more sure than any experience. Always, always, always go with what God has said over any experience. Why? Because God has given His word through the Holy Spirit. It is not of man. "Thy word is truth."
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Peter said Scripture is a more sure thing than his experience upon the mount when he physically heard God speak to His Son. The Scriptures are more sure than any experience. Always, always, always go with what God has said over any experience. Why? Because God has given His word through the Holy Spirit. It is not of man. "Thy word is truth."
What may you think after looking at what you may look at below ?
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Ode 12
- He has filled me with words of truth, that I may proclaim Him.
- And like the flowing of waters, truth flows from my mouth, and my lips declare His fruits.
- And He has caused His knowledge to abound in me, because the mouth of the Lord is the true Word, and the entrance of His light.
- And the Most High has given Him to His generations, which are the interpreters of His beauty,
And the narrators of His glory,
And the confessors of His purpose,
And the preachers of His mind,
And the teachers of His works. - For the subtlety of the Word is inexpressible, and like His utterance so also is His swiftness and His acuteness, for limitless is His progression.
- He never falls but remains standing, and one cannot comprehend His descent or His way.
- For as His work is, so is His expectation, for He is the light and dawning of thought.
- And by Him the generations spoke to one another, and those that were silent acquired speech.
- And from Him came love and equality, and they spoke one to another that which was theirs.
- And they were stimulated by the Word, and knew Him who made them, because they were in harmony.
- For the mouth of the Most High spoke to them, and His exposition prospered through Him.
- For the dwelling place of the Word is man, and His truth is love.
- Blessed are they who by means of Him have perceived everything, and have known the Lord in His truth.
Hallelujah.
What am I supposed to think of it. As far as I can see it is a list of people who have written books about scriptures. Most of them seemed to have lived in the 19th century some at the start of the twentieth. Most are completely unknown to me and probably unknown to most people. The long list ends with a statement about receiving authority from the Holy Spirit.
As I never knew or heard of these people how do i know whether they had any Authority? Or if they did was it any more authoritative than I receive from the Holy Spirit? The Catholic Church claims to have Authority on these matters. Am I supposed to recognize that as well? There are thousands of people who claim to receive things from the Holy Spirit as a way of gaining some status over others. I don't believe in second hand revelation. I believe that if the Holy Spirit has anything vital to say to me he will tell me directly.