Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the churches!

[disciplemike]

"go and sin no more"

 

[Vdp]

But the problem disciplemike is you do sin and are continuing to sin by rejecting the third person of God, the Holy Spirit.

 

[disciplemike]

But the problem disciplemike is you do sin and are continuing to sin by rejecting the third person of God, the Holy Spirit.

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
Ezekiel 36:27 (KJV, MBM)

 

[Vdp]

Luke 3:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”

 

[disciplemike]

Luke 3:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:4 (KJV, MBM)

 

[Vdp]

But disciplemike you have confessed you do not believe there are 3 persons in God. You only believe in the Father and the Son and say we do not need a 3rd person.

How can you walk with God when you reject the 3rd person the Holy Spirit??????

 

[disciplemike]

But disciplemike you have confessed you do not believe there are 3 persons in God. You only believe in the Father and the Son and say we do not need a 3rd person.

How can you walk with God when you reject the 3rd person the Holy Spirit??????

God is Spirit. I am pretty sure the holy kind.

 

[Vdp]

There you go again rejecting the 3rd person the Holy Spirit which God cannot and will not ever forgive you for this sin disciplemike.

God is:
1. The Father
2. The Son
3. The Holy Spirit

And i do know you have rejected the Holy Spirit as being with the Father and Son. For this you are condemned.

 

[disciplemike]

There you go again rejecting the 3rd person the Holy Spirit which God cannot and will not ever forgive you for this sin disciplemike.

God is:
1. The Father
2. The Son
3. The Holy Spirit

And i do know you have rejected the Holy Spirit as being with the Father and Son. For this you are condemned.

well thank you for those kind words, but I have never rejected God or His Holy Spirit. Fortunately, you are not qualified to be God!

 

[Chester]

This is the problem with Christians today. They want their ears tickled with lies that they can lose their Salvation. Why? Because if we can lose our Salvation, then by their own WORKS they can receive back their Salvation.

This Pride is from Satan!

Chester you are comparing Apples with Oranges. But then this is to be expected from those who do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. How can you Chester see the Truth if yo do not have the Holy Spirit????????

Is it that hard for you to see the Truth? If Salvation is not receive by not sinning and is received by the Grace of God then how can you say you do not understand how we cannot lose our Salvation by sinning?

You cannot understand because these are Spiritual. You are still trapped in the physical mindset not the Spiritual mindset.

Interesting! Interesting! Interesting indeed!

 

[Yet]

Naw, legalists are still saved. They just don't have any of the joy of their salvation. That's why they need to make others as miserable as they are. That whole misery loves company thing and all.

You mean they dont have the joy of sinning with their salvation?

 

[God4me]

Please note: this does not include Jesus’ warnings to everyone in the 4 Gospels!

No OSAS for Christians who are slaves of sin (who habitually practice sin)
Romans 6:16-23 • "… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves)
of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness
… so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
For when you were slaves of sin … the end of those things is (eternal) death.
… For the wages of sin is (eternal) death …" --- 3 dire warnings in 8 verses!
Romans 8:13-14 • "For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death);
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life).
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.”
Through the help of the Holy Spirit, we must put to death the sinful nature.
This, of course, is all part of walking on Jesus’ narrow path (Matthew 7:13-14).
IMO, you will make it to heaven, IF you sincerely repent of (forsake) your sins!

No OSAS for Christians who do not overcome all sins of every type
Revelation 21:7-8 • “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God
and he will be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,
sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the
lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Jesus is talking about anyone who is a habitual (unrepentant) sinner!
Revelation 3:5 • “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments,
and I will not blot out his name from the Book of (Eternal) Life …”
Revelation 3:21 • “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”
Jesus did not overcome by believing He was/is the Son of God (re: 1 John 5:5).

No OSAS for Christians who do not sow and live according to the Spirit
Galatians 6:7-8 • “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,
but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.”
Romans 8:5-6 • "For those who LIVE according to the flesh set their minds on the
things of the flesh, but those who LIVE according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally-minded is death, but to be spiritually-minded is life and peace.”
Decide for yourself: Are these passages contrasting eternal death with eternal life?

No OSAS for Christians who do not practice righteousness
1 John 3:7 • “… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous”
The Christian who does not practice righteousness is not righteous in God’s eyes!

No OSAS for Christians who do not love and obey Jesus
John 14:15-23 • “If you love Me, keep (obey) My commandments …
He who has My commandments and keeps (obeys) them, it is he who loves Me …
If anyone loves Me, he will keep (obey) My word …”
Good question: Does anyone get to heaven who does not love Jesus?
Hebrews 5:9 • “He (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.”
Romans 6:16 • "… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin
leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness …”
James 1:12-15 • Those who endure the temptations to sin “will receive the
crown of (eternal) life, which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.”

No OSAS for Christians who draw back, fall away, do not endure in the faith, etc.
Here are just a few of those famous “conditional passages” …
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 • “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel … by which you are
saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.”
2 Cor. 13:5 • “Examine yourself to see IF you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.”
Hebrews 3:14 • “For we have become partakers of Christ IF we hold the beginning
of our confidence steadfast to the end.”
1 Timothy 5:16 • “Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them,
for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.”
Does this remind you of “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12)?
Or Paul’s concern that after preaching to others he might be disqualified (1 Cor 9:27)?
Hebrews 10:36-39 • “ ‘Now the just shall live by faith; but IF anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.’ But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,
but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.”
In this last part, Paul displays his usual tactful method of softening his dire warnings
with encouragement and exhortation, and he is hopeful that none of them fall away!
Revelation 2:10 • “Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of (eternal) life.”
The fun part about this is: “the crown of life” is eternal life! … Research it for yourself,
and note James 1:12-15 … he warns to not be deceived: sin brings forth eternal death.

No OSAS for Christians who don’t do what is required of them
1 Timothy 6:9-19 • “But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare,
and into may foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil … Let them (rich Christians) do good,
that they may be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, storing up for them-
selves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.”
If you are a Christian who desires to be rich, beware of the possible consequences!
IMO, the “good foundation for the time to come” refers to when Christians are judged.
Jude 20-21 • “But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith,
praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God,
looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.”
Our eternal life depends on Jesus’ mercy, which depends on us!
So, let us all agree: “Faith without works is dead (useless)” (James 2:20)

No OSAS for Christians who do not inherit (enter) the kingdom of God
First, these 2 passages might prove that “the kingdom of God” is analogous to heaven …
Mark 9:47 • “And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter
the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire”
Matt 25:34-46 • “Come, you (the righteous) blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world … And these (the unrighteous)
will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
The unrighteous (e.g. habitual sinners) will NOT inherit the kingdom of God …
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 • “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
There are several “sin lists” which keep Christians out of the kingdom and heaven.

Note: I have not included in the above Jesus’ many warnings to everyone in the 4 Gospels.

JP and his hyper followers, will have to throw those scriptures out of the Bible, Or twist them or admit the hyper teaching is false.

 

[God4me]

And so you understand these scriptures to support your belief that God now expects you to maintain his holy moral standard that Jesus had to die on the cross for because you couldn't keep his holy moral standard. Is that correct?

God doesn't politely suggest that we be holy, He commands "Be ye holy".
God is Holy and we should be imitators of God.


"This is the will of God, Even your sanctification", 1 Thess 4: 3--5.

The trouble with a lot of todays Christians, just want to add Jesus to their old life style.
That's why the devil knew it was the right time to introduce the false grace teaching.

 

[God4me]

If you like to make this a much smaller post I will show you why each fits in with God's promise to keep those Who are His.

Suffice to give one verse. 'You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you.'

That shows that 'in the flesh' is a state of being, not a temporary situation,

You'll have to twist the scriptures to do it.

 

[Katy-follower]

Wow, has this not been discussed enough?

So many examples to give, but if we're to focus on the one word "sealed" as shown in the scripture below. A king would sign a document and then mark his seal on that document. It was a mark of ownership. The Holy Spirit in the life of a believer is the mark that God owns us unto the day of redemption.

Ephesians 1:13-14: "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory"


Our body and spirit belong to God....

1 Cor 19-20: Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

 

[JosephtheDreamer]

salvation is like a rope lashed to a stationary stature...you have your rope which is your faith in God lash to a never-moving object which could be imagine as a cemented pole...you cant cut-off a rope by wounding it once but if you continue on cutting the rope,wounding it more deeply then obviously the rope will break....just like our Salvation you will not lose your salvation if have sinned because God is faithful to forgive if you repent sincerely but if you continue on sinning and choosing the wrong instead of choosing the right path,,well becoming slave of sin is the shortest term for it...then of course you will lose your salvation and from the start you are really not saved because salvation comes from a Genuine Heart and not from your mouth.....if you really accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior then you ought to follow His ways because you are a new creature and you can fight temptations because He is with you.....

I hope I helped someone Praise the Lord Hallelujiah!!!

 

[disciplemike]

God doesn't politely suggest that we be holy, He commands "Be ye holy".
God is Holy and we should be imitators of God.


"This is the will of God, Even your sanctification", 1 Thess 4: 3--5.

The trouble with a lot of todays Christians, just want to add Jesus to their old life style.
That's why the devil knew it was the right time to introduce the false grace teaching.

Thank you. This needed to be re-posted.

 

[KenAllan]

Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved

False Grace???

Its only those who are trying to keep the Law for Salvation that hate the Grace of God.

We are under Grace, the Law has been done away with.

Romans 3:24
[SUP]24 [/SUP]being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus

Romans 6:14
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

 

[ZacharyB]

And so you understand these scriptures to support your belief that God now expects you to maintain his holy moral standard that Jesus had to die on the cross for because you couldn't keep his holy moral standard. Is that correct?

It is necessary to RECONCILE the OSAS verses with the anti-OSAS verses,
not ignore one group or the other.

The way to reconcile them is to include OBEDIENCE into the equation.

Saving Faith = belief-faith-trust-obedience

 

[NetChaplain]

No OSAS for those who do not love God, and no love for God if there is not love for others (1John 4:20), and such is the sole requirement (evidence) for salvation. Then the walk, service and fellowship will be brought to their proper places!

Blessings!