Did the writer of Psalms not understand what grace is?

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Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the YHVH, and on his law he meditates day and night.
Psalms 1:1-2 (ESV2011, MBM)
 

fredoheaven

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The writer of the Book of Psalms understood grace and speaks of GRACE!

Psalms 45:2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
Psalms 84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
 

posthuman

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good morning mike
you still pretending these verses don't exist?
only the ones you like, huh.

through the law came knowledge of sin.
from knowledge of sin came knowledge of the need for mercy & grace.
understanding that you do not have peace with God.
but through the Messiah these things came - mercy, hope, faith, love.
and peace with God

we ought to teach the whole counsel of scripture:
Jesus the Christ, the Son, the Lamb Slain and Risen
the Living Mercy and Grace of the Father


Blessed is the man
against whom the Lord will not count his sin.

(Psalm 4:8)


Blessed is the one
whose transgression is forgiven,
whose sin is covered.
Blessed is the man
against whom the LORD counts no iniquity,
and in whose spirit there is no deceit.
(Psalm 31:1-2)




 
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good morning mike
you still pretending these verses don't exist?
only the ones you like, huh.

through the law came knowledge of sin.
from knowledge of sin came knowledge of the need for mercy & grace.
understanding that you do not have peace with God.
but through the Messiah these things came - mercy, hope, faith, love.
and peace with God

we ought to teach the whole counsel of scripture:
Jesus the Christ, the Son, the Lamb Slain and Risen
the Living Mercy and Grace of the Father


Blessed is the man
against whom the Lord will not count his sin.

(Psalm 4:8)


Blessed is the one
whose transgression is forgiven,
whose sin is covered.
Blessed is the man
against whom the LORD counts no iniquity,
and in whose spirit there is no deceit.
(Psalm 31:1-2)






A person has to repent before their sins are forgiven.
Lk 24: 47. Acts 2: 38. 1 Jn 1: 9.


We gave to present the whole Bible.
 

posthuman

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A person has to repent before their sins are forgiven.
Lk 24: 47. Acts 2: 38. 1 Jn 1: 9.


We gave to present the whole Bible.
what does it mean to recognize that sin is sin?
 

posthuman

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what does it mean to recognize that sin is sin?
or to put it this way:

if anyone is acting as though sin is not sinful,
how can they be called '
repentant' ?
 

posthuman

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& to answer OP directly ((which ought to be obvious -- so much that we know it isn't even a question, but another excuse for the OP to act as though having begun by spirit, we are perfected by flesh -- unless he really is blind to so much of the scripture?))

So David said to Nathan,
“I have sinned against the Lord.”
And Nathan said to David,
The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die. However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.”
Then Nathan departed to his house.

(2 Samuel 12:13-15)





 
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I love Psalm 1 and in light of the New Covenant now in Christ - we meditate on the Lord Jesus Christ - remember Jesus is the fulfillment of the law.

In the Old Covenant they were constantly looking at the law because it was a covenant of "doing" but in the New Covenant we look to Jesus for life now as it is a covenant of "believing in Him" His life now transforms us as we keep our eyes on Jesus only.

The law came by Moses BUT grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

We should read the Old Covenant to see Jesus in them. The New Covenant equivalent of Psalm 1 that Christians follow now that speaks of Jesus is.

Colossians 3:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
 

JaumeJ

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Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Perhaps understanding the quote from Psalm 32 will help some to understand.
 
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Yes his delight is in the Law, But his Salvation is in the Grace of God.

So what is your point disciplemike other then trying to put everybody back under the Law?
 
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PS. 84:11

For The LORD God is a sun and shield: The LORD will give grace and glory:
no good thing will He withhold from them that walk uprightly.
 
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Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the YHVH, and on his law he meditates day and night.
Psalms 1:1-2 (ESV2011, MBM)
No, the writer of this psalm had obeyed the Lord's law and received the blessing that accompanies obedience.
 

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Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the YHVH, and on his law he meditates day and night.
Psalms 1:1-2 (ESV2011, MBM)

"Blessed is the one whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
" Psalms 32:1
 
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Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved

Why disciplemike are you trying yo put yourself back under the Law? Do you not understand Salvation is not received by the keeping of the Law?

Your works are like dirty rags. Your clinging to the Law is worthless. In your sins you are trying to Justify yourself.
 

posthuman

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No, the writer of this psalm had obeyed the Lord's law and received the blessing that accompanies obedience.


So David said to Nathan,
“I have sinned against the Lord.”
And Nathan said to David,
The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die. However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.”
Then Nathan departed to his house.

(2 Samuel 12:13-15)

David sinned, but without sacrifice ((? looking toward One)), the Lord "put away his sin"
i.e. the Lord "removed his sin"

blessed, he wrote, is the man whose sin the Lord takes away, and will not remember.

this was not because of David's obedience.
David confessed his sin - called sin, "
sin"
and immediately the Lord's prophet told him that God had removed his sin.

if that's not "grace" . . .


:)

 
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Romans 2:17-24
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law and boast in God, [SUP]18 [/SUP]and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, [SUP]21 [/SUP]you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? [SUP]23 [/SUP]You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? [SUP]24 [/SUP]For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

You are boasting in the Law and because of it you are dishonoring God. The name of God is being Blasphemed by you disciplemike.
 
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our sins, after confessed can be forgiven - but, the consequences of these 'sins' can last for generations..

as Ps. 32. has been quoted, vs. 1-2, the next part is speaking of the 'consequences of sin' -
David says, 'when I kept silent, my bones grew old through my groaning all the day long.'
For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me; my vitality was turned into the drought of summer. selah

this part of the Ps. is showing us that the 'results-of-un-confessed' sins', can become weakness and sickness,-
but then David goes into the 1JOHN 1:9. teaching, 'If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the Truth in NOT in Us. If we confess our 'sins', He is Faithful and Just to forgive our sins and to cleanse
us from ALL un-righteousness.'

so, the Psalm is teaching us that Paul and John drew their knowledge and understanding from the Psalm.

what is troubling on this 'forum' is that most tend to 'PIT' scripture against scripture like 'fighting-dogs',
it seems to be like it's, (my scripture is better than your scripture) and my 'scholar knows more than
your 'scholar'...also, it seem that many believe that their interpretation of scripture is,-
(my scripture is superior to your scripture)...

the whole mind-set appears to us as coming across as '(anti-learning)'

The Scriptures are as a 'beautiful tapestry', inter-woven,- in order to compliment one another...
they are as individual pillars, though at times they seem to be at 'odds-with-one-another' -
but, THEY ARE NOT, THEY SUPPORT DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE 'TOTALITY' OF OUR SAVIOUR'S WORDS'.

BUT, the spirit of 'war' dominates this 'forum' - (I am right-you are wrong) - (I refuse to learn anything
from you, from your point of view, and the REALITY is, (there is so much straining at a gnat, that we
swallow a herd of camels).

in short, it appears that in here, this forum, that there is no willingness to examine or accept the
scriptures in their pure totality - (this is what can be described as an 'illusion of Godliness"...

as it is written: RIVERS OF WATERS RUN DOWN MY EYES! and again, 'JESUS WEPT'
 
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Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the YHVH, and on his law he meditates day and night.
Psalms 1:1-2 (ESV2011, MBM)
Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ,so this grace was not in the Old Testament,but it was for all those in the truth of the Old Testament,for Jesus would wash away their sins.

Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD,which there was grace in the Old Testament,but not the kind of grace in the New Testament,for that kind of grace only comes by Jesus Christ.

The Old Testament could not provide the grace Jesus does,but many people looked forward to the Messiah to come,and His grace.
 
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Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The "but' in that verse is not in the original text. It was added by translators. Law and Grace are not opposites. Anyone who think this needs to come out of Babylon.
 
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Originally Posted by mpaper345

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


The "but' in that verse is not in the original text. It was added by translators. Law and Grace are not opposites. Anyone who think this needs to come out of Babylon.[

/QUOTE]

It says the very same thing with or without the "but"

"The Law came by Moses, grace and truth came by Jesus Christ"....contrasting the two covenants. The Old Covenant is a goner and the New Covenant is how we live now.

Did you ever notice that it doesn't say that people in the last days will be Anti-God - but that they will be "Anti-Christ"...selah