Looking for the answer (potters big dilemma)

[pottersclay]

Now this is from my heart and not my mind. I serve a God that can do the impossible, I serve a God who is never changing (that keeps it simple).

I have laid hands on my brother when he was murder and laid on the table in the hospital where my wife worked. I have laid hands on my 2year old niece who drowned in a daycare center pool. Asking the Lord to return their life if it was his will. Sadly the answer was no.
I have prayed over family members with terminal illnesses asking for the Lord to heal, some lives were extended others were not.
Now to my understanding the laying of hands can mean 2 of the same thing . 1 you physically touch the person. 2 you pray over that person.
I've done both. With full expectation that the Lord is able. I have reaped the benefits of seeing a miracle, or coming to be at peace with God's will. Never did the latter hinder my walk. So here is my question, when we read that Jesus could not or did not heal because of lack of faith. Or when he uses the term you of little faith , what does it really mean. I cannot for the life of me see God refuse or deny or better yet could not do due to a little or lack of faith. The almighty is just that all mighty. Paul certainly had faith. Since when did God need us to do his will.
Could the term be describing something more than the obvious? I heard a teacher say that the term ye of little faith was to say ....why do you live like there is no God? Dunno.....The Lord delivered me from cancer but not without treatment (when the doctors are amazed at the success you know it's the Lord) lol.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.....yet God can restore a child that was of a Roman officers. At the pool Jesus asked the man if he wanted to be healed not that he was going about it the wrong way.....did the man know who he was talking to?

I find this a great mystery ......and leave it to God's will be done....so what about a lack of faith how can it hinder the almighty? I had faith like the officer did not saying God should of because of that. I still walk in expectation and do not believe the gifts were for then but as I said before I serve a never changing God and don't consider it a gift just a part of my commission from the Lord.


Will get back to this later...thanks saints

 

[Willie-T]

Although pain and death break our hearts, I have tried to finally look at our lives here as though we are already dead people, walking, (dead to this world system) waiting for our eventual opportunity to return home.

In truth, death does not crush the person who died (if they are in Christ). It only hurts those of us who are left here, still waiting.

I certainly don't mean to make this sound simple by flippantly dismissing it with the brevity of my reply. It is simply that I do not believe in having to write half a book to understand something.... anything.

 

[PennEd]

Now this is from my heart and not my mind. I serve a God that can do the impossible, I serve a God who is never changing (that keeps it simple).

I have laid hands on my brother when he was murder and laid on the table in the hospital where my wife worked. I have laid hands on my 2year old niece who drowned in a daycare center pool. Asking the Lord to return their life if it was his will. Sadly the answer was no.
I have prayed over family members with terminal illnesses asking for the Lord to heal, some lives were extended others were not.
Now to my understanding the laying of hands can mean 2 of the same thing . 1 you physically touch the person. 2 you pray over that person.
I've done both. With full expectation that the Lord is able. I have reaped the benefits of seeing a miracle, or coming to be at peace with God's will. Never did the latter hinder my walk. So here is my question, when we read that Jesus could not or did not heal because of lack of faith. Or when he uses the term you of little faith , what does it really mean. I cannot for the life of me see God refuse or deny or better yet could not do due to a little or lack of faith. The almighty is just that all mighty. Paul certainly had faith. Since when did God need us to do his will.
Could the term be describing something more than the obvious? I heard a teacher say that the term ye of little faith was to say ....why do you live like there is no God? Dunno.....The Lord delivered me from cancer but not without treatment (when the doctors are amazed at the success you know it's the Lord) lol.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.....yet God can restore a child that was of a Roman officers. At the pool Jesus asked the man if he wanted to be healed not that he was going about it the wrong way.....did the man know who he was talking to?

I find this a great mystery ......and leave it to God's will be done....so what about a lack of faith how can it hinder the almighty? I had faith like the officer did not saying God should of because of that. I still walk in expectation and do not believe the gifts were for then but as I said before I serve a never changing God and don't consider it a gift just a part of my commission from the Lord.


Will get back to this later...thanks saints

I believe above all else God wants to be believed. It is the reason he calls David "a man after My own Heart". David showed ZERO fear knowing that if the Lord was with him NO ONE could be against him.
The greatest underdog in history KNEW he was going to win.

Yet from day one God will not prevent us from having free will. So I don't think God is hindered at all. He merely wants people to believe what He says is True, and won't force them to believe.

 

[Willie-T]

Although pain and death break our hearts, I have tried to finally look at our lives here as though we are already dead people, walking, (dead to this world system) waiting for our eventual opportunity to return home.

In truth, death does not crush the person who died (if they are in Christ). It only hurts those of us who are left here, still waiting.

I certainly don't mean to make this sound simple by flippantly dismissing it with the brevity of my reply. It is simply that I do not believe in having to write half a book to understand something.... anything.

Tell me the truth. If any of you had the "FAITH", this very moment, to wish all of us, instantly, right into the glory of Heaven and into the presence of God, wouldn't you do it in a heartbeat?

Of course you would......... IF that was what "faith" was all about. In actuality, THAT, right there, is nothing more than the entire basis of the belief in something called "The Rapture"..... That God will get us all out of here, so we don't have to keep on existing in this sick world. A world that really NEEDS us here to introduce them to the doctor that can cure this sick world.

I happen to believe "faith" is believing God will keep us trusting in Him while we continue to do whatever it is that He has us here to do in the first place...... for as long (or short) a time as that might be.

The thing we sometimes lose sight of is that this world is not our home.

 

[God4me]

Now this is from my heart and not my mind. I serve a God that can do the impossible, I serve a God who is never changing (that keeps it simple).

I have laid hands on my brother when he was murder and laid on the table in the hospital where my wife worked. I have laid hands on my 2year old niece who drowned in a daycare center pool. Asking the Lord to return their life if it was his will. Sadly the answer was no.
I have prayed over family members with terminal illnesses asking for the Lord to heal, some lives were extended others were not.
Now to my understanding the laying of hands can mean 2 of the same thing . 1 you physically touch the person. 2 you pray over that person.
I've done both. With full expectation that the Lord is able. I have reaped the benefits of seeing a miracle, or coming to be at peace with God's will. Never did the latter hinder my walk. So here is my question, when we read that Jesus could not or did not heal because of lack of faith. Or when he uses the term you of little faith , what does it really mean. I cannot for the life of me see God refuse or deny or better yet could not do due to a little or lack of faith. The almighty is just that all mighty. Paul certainly had faith. Since when did God need us to do his will.
Could the term be describing something more than the obvious? I heard a teacher say that the term ye of little faith was to say ....why do you live like there is no God? Dunno.....The Lord delivered me from cancer but not without treatment (when the doctors are amazed at the success you know it's the Lord) lol.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.....yet God can restore a child that was of a Roman officers. At the pool Jesus asked the man if he wanted to be healed not that he was going about it the wrong way.....did the man know who he was talking to?

I find this a great mystery ......and leave it to God's will be done....so what about a lack of faith how can it hinder the almighty? I had faith like the officer did not saying God should of because of that. I still walk in expectation and do not believe the gifts were for then but as I said before I serve a never changing God and don't consider it a gift just a part of my commission from the Lord.


Will get back to this later...thanks saints

The Bible doesn't say Jesus wouldn't heal those who didn't believe, It says, He Couldn't.
See how many times the Bible says things like, "According to thy faith, and They faith has healed thee".
God has put everything on a faith basis.

The first thing we must know, Is, It is God's will to heal, God not only wants to heal people, But Jesus has already paid the price so we can receive healing, Isaiah 53: 3--5. Matt 8: 16--17. 1 Pet 2: 24.

You mentioned, "Expectation", But while you are expecting, you are putting it of to the future, whereas faith says, "I have it".
Mk 11: 24 and 1 Jn 5: 14--15, says, Faith says "WE HAVE IT", before we see the manifestation of it.
Faith is simply believing that our Heavenly father, [God], Has told us the truth, and receiving the blessings.

So once we have found the will of God, [From the Bible], we can confidently either Minister to the sick, or receive healing ourselves.
God can't operate without man's cooperation of believing.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That's why it's important to bring souls to Jesus Christ before they put off the fleshy tabernacle, as we all will. I believe it is a much more important ministry to raise the spiritually dead than the physically dead by the power of God. Once a person has been born again by the Spirit of God they have truly passed from Death to Eternal Life.

When this happens the fear of physical death is no longer there. Not that we won't miss loved ones when they die physically, even Jesus wept when Lazarus died, even knowing He was fixing to raise him back up again. But I say seek that which is Eternal, and not that which is already determined to pass away.

 

[Willie-T]

That's why it's important to bring souls to Jesus Christ before they put off the fleshy tabernacle, as we all will. I believe it is a much more important ministry to raise the spiritually dead than the physically dead by the power of God. Once a person has been born again by the Spirit of God they have truly passed from Death to Eternal Life.

When this happens the fear of physical death is no longer there. Not that we won't miss loved ones when they die physically, even Jesus wept when Lazarus died, even knowing He was fixing to raise him back up again. But I say seek that which is Eternal, and not that which is already determined to pass away.

A big, AMEN.

 

[popeye]

Now this is from my heart and not my mind. I serve a God that can do the impossible, I serve a God who is never changing (that keeps it simple).

I have laid hands on my brother when he was murder and laid on the table in the hospital where my wife worked. I have laid hands on my 2year old niece who drowned in a daycare center pool. Asking the Lord to return their life if it was his will. Sadly the answer was no.
I have prayed over family members with terminal illnesses asking for the Lord to heal, some lives were extended others were not.
Now to my understanding the laying of hands can mean 2 of the same thing . 1 you physically touch the person. 2 you pray over that person.
I've done both. With full expectation that the Lord is able. I have reaped the benefits of seeing a miracle, or coming to be at peace with God's will. Never did the latter hinder my walk. So here is my question, when we read that Jesus could not or did not heal because of lack of faith. Or when he uses the term you of little faith , what does it really mean. I cannot for the life of me see God refuse or deny or better yet could not do due to a little or lack of faith. The almighty is just that all mighty. Paul certainly had faith. Since when did God need us to do his will.
Could the term be describing something more than the obvious? I heard a teacher say that the term ye of little faith was to say ....why do you live like there is no God? Dunno.....The Lord delivered me from cancer but not without treatment (when the doctors are amazed at the success you know it's the Lord) lol.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.....yet God can restore a child that was of a Roman officers. At the pool Jesus asked the man if he wanted to be healed not that he was going about it the wrong way.....did the man know who he was talking to?

I find this a great mystery ......and leave it to God's will be done....so what about a lack of faith how can it hinder the almighty? I had faith like the officer did not saying God should of because of that. I still walk in expectation and do not believe the gifts were for then but as I said before I serve a never changing God and don't consider it a gift just a part of my commission from the Lord.


Will get back to this later...thanks saints

The best way is to start with the immovable solid cornerstones found in the word. (not that you are unaware or rejecting them).

Then examine the variables.

Smith wigglesworth enjoyed a success ratio of about 95 %

What would happen was that some miracles came "easy"

The ones that didn't,all had some kind of "roadblock" or obstacle.

Enter "word of knowledge"

The HS would tell him what to do about the obstacle.

 

[Willie-T]

Do you know why my church does the submission to "healing" that we do so much of? Of course, to try to alleviate pain and suffering....... but mainly to take it right into evangelizing. Not a one of us ever prays for just healing, simply to get someone well. We do it with unbelievers to verbally tie it right into Salvation with them. And we do it with Believers to help strengthen them because of whatever areas of doubt and weakness prolonged pain and suffering may have dragged them down into.

This is not a "Come and get your healing" game.

 

[popeye]

When this story is dissected into the necessary ingredients to see a miracle,we can easily understand why little is seen in our modern,ho hum walks.

[video=youtube;luh30BiCUlI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luh30BiCUlI[/video]

 

[Ariel82]

What does the term "ye of little faith" mean? Will have to pray about it.

I just know that faith is a gift from God and we are all given different measures.

Like the parable of the talents, will we be unprofitable servants and bury it instead of making it increase?

 

[Willie-T]

When this story is dissected into the necessary ingredients to see a miracle,we can easily understand why little is seen in our modern,ho hum walks.

I have to confess that I don't know what you mean. What are these "ingredients" you speak of?

 

[Depleted]

Now this is from my heart and not my mind. I serve a God that can do the impossible, I serve a God who is never changing (that keeps it simple).

I have laid hands on my brother when he was murder and laid on the table in the hospital where my wife worked. I have laid hands on my 2year old niece who drowned in a daycare center pool. Asking the Lord to return their life if it was his will. Sadly the answer was no.
I have prayed over family members with terminal illnesses asking for the Lord to heal, some lives were extended others were not.
Now to my understanding the laying of hands can mean 2 of the same thing . 1 you physically touch the person. 2 you pray over that person.
I've done both. With full expectation that the Lord is able. I have reaped the benefits of seeing a miracle, or coming to be at peace with God's will. Never did the latter hinder my walk. So here is my question, when we read that Jesus could not or did not heal because of lack of faith. Or when he uses the term you of little faith , what does it really mean. I cannot for the life of me see God refuse or deny or better yet could not do due to a little or lack of faith. The almighty is just that all mighty. Paul certainly had faith. Since when did God need us to do his will.
Could the term be describing something more than the obvious? I heard a teacher say that the term ye of little faith was to say ....why do you live like there is no God? Dunno.....The Lord delivered me from cancer but not without treatment (when the doctors are amazed at the success you know it's the Lord) lol.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.....yet God can restore a child that was of a Roman officers. At the pool Jesus asked the man if he wanted to be healed not that he was going about it the wrong way.....did the man know who he was talking to?

I find this a great mystery ......and leave it to God's will be done....so what about a lack of faith how can it hinder the almighty? I had faith like the officer did not saying God should of because of that. I still walk in expectation and do not believe the gifts were for then but as I said before I serve a never changing God and don't consider it a gift just a part of my commission from the Lord.


Will get back to this later...thanks saints

The Not-Answering-Your-Question Part
You prayed for your brother and niece, but sadly God said No. To the best of your knowledge, were/are they saved? (If they were, they still are. Just so you know why I included both verbs there.) The reason I asked is that big discombobulation I had from November until the beginning of summer. With all my might, (which is a considerably small amount of might in God's grand scheme) I wanted God to give me hubby back well again. I was also very aware that it was in his best interest to go home for eternity with God. Thus discombobulated. Both sides were tugging on me, and I don't think either side could be declared "evil." So, no matter which way that went, there was no sadly in it. If he went home -- our true home, not this small house -- I would, however, have missed him from the core of my being. I will see him again ultimately, no matter who goes home first.

BUT, what is truly sad is my blood family isn't saved, so that is a sadness that already penetrated me. I'm asking where your sadness comes from -- the missing or the knowing?

Now the Answering-Your-Question-to-the-Best-I-Think, but-I-Really-Don't-Know part.
You know you were saved from cancer through God even if it took treatment to to get you there, right? (And, hey! You're done treatment and have been delivered from cancer? Yippee! I thought you were still fighting that dragon. Why do I keep missing so much of the good news on this site? Yeesh! But, yay!!! I am so happy for you!) What if you didn't know/you remained unsure/not quite sure if God did that for you or the doctors did that for you? In my mind, (which again, I'm not sure, but I'm just saying what I think), THAT is "little faith." You'd still have some faith, because you're just not sure vs. you out-and-out know God did nothing, so it's not no faith. It's little faith.

Peter took a step on the water before falling into it. I've always been mighty impressed with that much faith, because I think I would have failed at first step. But Jesus wasn't just that one step away from the boat, or Peter would have been busy hugging him, instead of falling in at second step. There was room for at least one more step, which would have been even more faith. So, Peter had more than a little, but less than a lot.

I think faith comes in degrees. None. Little. More. Good. Great. And probably degrees in between.

Great faith would make this walk easier on us. Little faith is enough. Harder, but enough. God's gonna get his will with or without our faith. Sort of like my parents taking me out when I was little to do errands. Easier if I just did what they said, but, truthfully, those errands were getting done no matter how I acted, so the only change was if I came home happy to help or home embarrassed I had to be corrected in public.

Just my thoughts. I'm not really sure if I'm getting this right.

 

[Depleted]

The Bible doesn't say Jesus wouldn't heal those who didn't believe, It says, He Couldn't.
See how many times the Bible says things like, "According to thy faith, and They faith has healed thee".
God has put everything on a faith basis.

The first thing we must know, Is, It is God's will to heal, God not only wants to heal people, But Jesus has already paid the price so we can receive healing, Isaiah 53: 3--5. Matt 8: 16--17. 1 Pet 2: 24.

You mentioned, "Expectation", But while you are expecting, you are putting it of to the future, whereas faith says, "I have it".
Mk 11: 24 and 1 Jn 5: 14--15, says, Faith says "WE HAVE IT", before we see the manifestation of it.
Faith is simply believing that our Heavenly father, [God], Has told us the truth, and receiving the blessings.

So once we have found the will of God, [From the Bible], we can confidently either Minister to the sick, or receive healing ourselves.
God can't operate without man's cooperation of believing.

Why follow a god weaker than you?

 

[Vdp]

Laying on hands to heal and cure and bring back from the dead was only for the Disciples. There are not for today. These we done away with when the Disciples died.

 

[Willie-T]

Laying on hands to heal and cure and bring back from the dead was only for the Disciples. There are not for today. These we done away with when the Disciples died.

Totally not true.

 

[Depleted]

Laying on hands to heal and cure and bring back from the dead was only for the Disciples. There are not for today. These we done away with when the Disciples died.

Should I tell that chronic UTI I had for the first two years of marriage, it's time to come back? T'ain't gonna. I like that God miraculously healed me of it.

 

[Willie-T]

Below, is something I just copied about the very first healing John Wimber saw after starting a concentrated ministry in this area. He and his team went for almost a year with ZERO results. We are talking about THOUSANDS of attempts, with not one single person being healed. They had all but given up, and had no "faith" they were ever going to see anyone healed.

Then, one morning, it all turned around.

My first experience with public healing was done in almost total disbelief that anything was going to happen... six people were healed that day, in less than a half hour.

WE GOT ONE!
"The next morning John was awakened by an early phone call from one of their newest church members. He said he was to start a much-needed job that morning, but his wife was sick with the flu, which meant that he would have to stay home with the kids. He wanted John to come over and pray for her healing. John said he'd be right there, but then complained to the Lord, "This guy really believes this stuff. He's going to lose his job, or I'm going to have to take care of his kids today."

When he arrived, he was ushered into the bedroom. John has said it was obvious that she was really sick because otherwise no woman would let someone see her like that. He prayed a faithless prayer then turned around to explain to the husband why God doesn't always heal. As he rambled on, he noticed the man looking behind him. John turned to find that the wife was out of bed and combing her hair. She was completely well! He couldn't believe it. As he stumbled out the door, jubilation suddenly filled him, and he shouted, "We got one!" "


I hear all sorts of talk about our faith... or their faith... but I have seen healing without anyone really having much faith about any of it.

 

[Church2u2]

John 11:21 Martha said to Jesus ,"Lord, if You had been here,my brother would not have died.
22 "But even now I know that whatever You ask of God ,God will give You".
23 Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again."
24 Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."
25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life.He who believes in Me, though he may die ,he shall live.
26 "And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.Do you believe this?"
27 She said to Him, "Yes Lord,I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God,who is come into the world. "

 

[God4me]

What does the term "ye of little faith" mean? Will have to pray about it.

I just know that faith is a gift from God and we are all given different measures.

Like the parable of the talents, will we be unprofitable servants and bury it instead of making it increase?

The Greek word for, Little faith, is, "Oligopistos" from "Oligos" Little, and "Pistos" faith.
Peter had a little faith after he saw the storm and the waves, Matt 14: 26--31, Note, Peter didn't sink, Normally people sink straight away, But the Bible says Peter began to sink, v30. And at that time His faith was little.
Peter must have had great faith to get out of the boat and walk on the water to Jesus.


No faith is not believing what Jesus said, He told His disciples that they were going to the other side of the sea,
Mk 4: 35.
But they didn't believe they would get there, when the storm came, so Jesus said, How is it that you have no faith. v 40.
So, No faith, Is not believing what God has said in His word, [The Bible].