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Luke 9 :35"A voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him."

Luke 9:21-26"Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone. And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels."


you have Jesus saying I am going to be crucified and raised to Life. THEN Jesus says " whoever wants to be my disciple MUST deny themselves, pick up their cross, and follow me" he is in essence saying I am going to lay down my life for you, if you want to be my disciple, you must lay down your life pick up your cross and follow me."

"the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

" those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."

colossians 3:5-6 "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming."

1 peter 1:22" Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart."

Jesus " I am the way, the TRUTH and the Life" " by obeying the truth. " if you Love me obey my commands"

John 7:17 "Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own."

john 8:42-43 "Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say"

" the one who has my commands and keeps them, He is the one who Loves me"


the "commands" are the instructions like " get rid of lust at all cost, and practice purity in thinking. get rid of greed and practice giving to the needs of others. get rid of Lies and tell the truth, get rid of slander and encourage. get rid of anger and practice peace, get rid of the sinful nature and practice the nature of Jesus. this is what is meant by " lay down yourself, pick up your cross and follow me" the gospel is the death of a sinner and resurrection of Gods children. this is why its important to accept it as it is. " why do you call me Lord and do not do what I say?" Christians follow Jesus to the cross, noit naturally, but spiritually or inwardly. by choosing to lay down our self, pick up our "cross" and follow Jesus in order to die and be resurrected. we can haggle words till judgement day, but the words OF Jesus the Christ are the ones with the power to make the old die and the new come forth


2 Corinthians 5:14-15 "For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again."


if you believe in Jesus, you no longer belong to yourself, you have another whom you Live after, His will, His way. you live your life for the one who died for you to give you eternal Life. he does not die for you, so you go enjoy your life and do as you will. He is Lord. He is your king and master now. He loves you, yes, but that does not remove His authority over you. He died that you will live your life TO honor Him, you honor Jesus by learning and obeying His word. like when someone " honors anothers wishes" it means you do what the person wanted you to do. Jesus gave His Life, and His spirit so that you would return His Love by giving your Life for His purpose. there is a reason He came and taught Gods will and said " obey my commands"
 
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We have already died with Christ when He went to the cross - so did we. I love the scene where the two thieves died between Jesus - symbolizing that Jesus died for the whole world but only one believed in Jesus and was with Him when they both died and went to Paradise.

How can we die to ourselves when we are already dead in Christ? Religion has things backwards for some reason.

We need our minds renewed to the new creation in Christ that is created in righteousness and holiness. As we behold the glory of the Lord as in a mirror - the Holy Spirit transforms us to reflect outwardly what "already in" in our new hearts. 2 Cor 3:17-18

For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God . Col 3:3

We have been crucified with Christ - Gal 2:20

We have died with Christ in the same likeness as His death and have been raised to newness of life with Him. Romans 6:3-7


Amen to obeying out Lord!...and this is the commands in the New Covenant after Jesus died for us and rose again.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
 
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We have already died with Christ when He went to the cross - so did we. I love the scene where the two thieves died between Jesus - symbolizing that Jesus died for the whole world but only one believed in Jesus and was with Him when they both died and went to Paradise.

How can we die to ourselves when we are already dead in Christ? Religion has things backwards for some reason.

We need our minds renewed to the new creation in Christ that is created in righteousness and holiness. As we behold the glory of the Lord as in a mirror - the Holy Spirit transforms us to reflect outwardly what "already in" in our new hearts. 2 Cor 3:17-18

For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God . Col 3:3

We have been crucified with Christ - Gal 2:20

We have died with Christ in the same likeness as His death and have been raised to newness of life with Him. Romans 6:3-7


Amen to obeying out Lord!...and this is the commands in the New Covenant after Jesus died for us and rose again.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

is Jesus your Lord bruce? if you have already died with Jesus then your actions are Jesus actions? so are you out there raising the dead? are you out there saving others? No. you spend your time arguing that Jesus is wrong. God will never EVER EVVVVER say to any human being " you don't need to obey Jesus" never ever will God say that. NEVVVER. he will noe until eternity say the exact same things as Jesus said 2000 years ago. it doesn't matter to God if there are 1000 false doctrines that seek to dethrone His only Son, WHO IS THE ONLY SOVERIEGN AND LORD, that same Jesus who will never change or waiver, will always and forever be the authority, the Lord, the only way, truth or Life for any chroistian. you, jp, wommack, Copeland, parsley or whoever else there is in existence.


if anyone accepts that Jesus is the Lord, sincerely, that Jesus Christ as recorded in His Gospel, is the Lord of all. then and only then is God pleased with that person. when Jesus is YOUR authority, then you can find rest. on the other hand if you just refuse His authority, you are deceived. so I guess go be crucified with Christ inwardly, ill go follow His word because Hes my Lord and says " obey my commands, I died for you, honor me" that's the gospel, it isn't imagining that you died and are equal to Jesus, that's simple herecy. anyone who ever denies Jesus and what He says is right is existing in a lie
 
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Jason..nonsense..of course Jesus is my Lord.. I can see your malice is acting up again. Maybe you should just not respond to any of my posts and carry on with what you are doing.

Bless you Jason and I do wish you the best. The Lord loves you dearly and unconditionally and has great plans for you.

I will leave you with these 2 scriptures that I hope will speak to you and help you to grow up in the Lord Jesus as they have done for me and continue to do so every day. He is our life! He has given us a great salvation and it is all in Him alone.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 3:18 (KJV) [SUP]18 [/SUP] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.





 
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Jason..nonsense..of course Jesus is my Lord.. I can see your malice is acting up again. Maybe you should just not respond to any of my posts and carry on with what you are doing.

Bless you Jason and I do wish you the best. The Lord loves you dearly and unconditionally and has great plans for you.

I will leave you with these 2 scriptures that I hope will speak to you and help you to grow up in the Lord Jesus as they have done for me and continue to do so every day. He is our life! He has given us a great salvation and it is all in Him alone.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 3:18 (KJV) [SUP]18 [/SUP] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.






okay good bruce, then why are the eternal words of your Lord, in whom you believe not believable to you? no, you are PERCEIVING malice in me, because of the truth and the doctrine that needs to omit Him. if you have a Lord do you then see the commands of your Lord as wrong? what is your justification for seeing Jesus say " obey my commands" or " whoever has my teaching and obeys them, they are the one who Loves me" or " why do you call me Lord and do not do what I say? what does your Lord say. Lord means He has all authoprity over you. so if your Lord says "forgive and you will be forgiven, but if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven" what is the argument for " unconditional" salvation regardless if I forgive or not?

my point is really simple to you, you just made a point that its nonsense for me to suggest Jesus is not your Lord. okay. so where is your argument that He didn't teach the absolute truth? why can Jesus your Lord say " anyone who wants to be my disciple, must lay down their self, pick up their cross and follow me daily" or " it is not those who call me Lord lord who will be saved, but only those who do the will of my Father in heaven? how does a modern version of grace negate your Lords word, who said His words were Gods words, who said His words are eternal, who said " go teach all nations to obey my commands" how do you justify omission of all the things He plainly taught in Hos gospel?


Just believe that He is Lord is truly all it takes, because if I believe, Hes telling me the truth and I will do what the Lord says to do. Jesus was not about finding your identity in Him, He was about believing Him. He said " obey my commands" go teach all nations to obey my commands"


your argument is " we need to just focus on the finished work, Jesus said " hear and listen to me, do what I'm saying to do" 2 different doctrines one says " believe in the finished work" thats not even what He said " he said whoever believes in ME"
you don't worship what paul told you Jesus accomplished for you, you grasp that part, and then you go to Jesus knowing you are new and clean. somehow to you, this has stripped the authority from Jesus. if you again say you aren't saying that, think.

"Jesus is Lord, what did Jesus say, its the Lord speaking" at least you do confess that Hes Lord finally. maybe change the gospel of the grace of Christ now to "The Gospel of Jesus Christ" and youll be moving more toward the truth. now that you confess He is Lord, I hope you understand you are saying " Jesus is my Lord" that right there places you bruce in obedience to your Lord. welcome to the fold.
 
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Luke 9 :35"A voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him."

Luke 9:21-26"Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone. And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels."


you have Jesus saying I am going to be crucified and raised to Life. THEN Jesus says " whoever wants to be my disciple MUST deny themselves, pick up their cross, and follow me" he is in essence saying I am going to lay down my life for you, if you want to be my disciple, you must lay down your life pick up your cross and follow me."

"the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

" those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."

colossians 3:5-6 "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming."

1 peter 1:22" Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart."

Jesus " I am the way, the TRUTH and the Life" " by obeying the truth. " if you Love me obey my commands"

John 7:17 "Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own."

john 8:42-43 "Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say"

" the one who has my commands and keeps them, He is the one who Loves me"


the "commands" are the instructions like " get rid of lust at all cost, and practice purity in thinking. get rid of greed and practice giving to the needs of others. get rid of Lies and tell the truth, get rid of slander and encourage. get rid of anger and practice peace, get rid of the sinful nature and practice the nature of Jesus. this is what is meant by " lay down yourself, pick up your cross and follow me" the gospel is the death of a sinner and resurrection of Gods children. this is why its important to accept it as it is. " why do you call me Lord and do not do what I say?" Christians follow Jesus to the cross, noit naturally, but spiritually or inwardly. by choosing to lay down our self, pick up our "cross" and follow Jesus in order to die and be resurrected. we can haggle words till judgement day, but the words OF Jesus the Christ are the ones with the power to make the old die and the new come forth


2 Corinthians 5:14-15 "For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again."


if you believe in Jesus, you no longer belong to yourself, you have another whom you Live after, His will, His way. you live your life for the one who died for you to give you eternal Life. he does not die for you, so you go enjoy your life and do as you will. He is Lord. He is your king and master now. He loves you, yes, but that does not remove His authority over you. He died that you will live your life TO honor Him, you honor Jesus by learning and obeying His word. like when someone " honors anothers wishes" it means you do what the person wanted you to do. Jesus gave His Life, and His spirit so that you would return His Love by giving your Life for His purpose. there is a reason He came and taught Gods will and said " obey my commands"

Gods commands should cause you to drop to your knees in recognition that you can't and only He can. That is the response of faith that God is looking for.
 
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Gods commands should cause you to drop to your knees in recognition that you can't and only He can. That is the response of faith that God is looking for.

No, not in Christ. you are thinking Law. the law was meant to do that totally agree. Christ is NOT Law, he is the freedom from sin. The response Jesus is looking for is simply what He repeats as he teaches His people " obey my commands" keep my words, follow my teachings, I am the Lord."

you are right, without the spirit that came through Jesus sacrifice and ascention, we were Lost. but we are now speaking as those IN Christ and not under the mosaic Law. that is where you are not hearing whats there. you are hearing Jesus say " obey my commands" and in your mind because of the doctrine, you are apllying that as Law, because " unconditional grace" allows for no condition. the issue is Jesus is not Law He was removing the Laws authority as He was saying " you have heard that it was said long ago, nut I tell you" look at His teachings, they were not Law at all. the law was meant to bring us to humility its result " I am just a sinner, cant do tight by God" that is the Laws result. we see our sin and we die, done deal.


praise Be to God through Jesus Christ my Lord ! He came and Gave us the commands of LIFE. He told us plainly how to die to self, and live for God. thats the gospel. and it is meant to be obeyed. not from the stance of Law, but from the satance of the Knowledge " He died for me, because He loved me so much" "greater Love has no one than this" so when a Christian is saying Just Love, they are saying Just lay down yourself, and follow Jesus commands, thats what Love is to God, what Jesus taught us to do. I honestly cant understand some of the belief systems today. to keep doctrine correct, we Just look at Jesus, as we do in every situation in Life. Jesus has every answer to every issue. He is the only answer God is going to Give and He is plenty when taken as He is as He proclaimed. at His word, take Jesus at His word as the Lord and your doctrine will center itself upon Him. then you will Know Grace, and its true meaning and purpose.


if this doctrine is " learn and believe who I am in Jesus" then are you guys actually saved until you figure that poart out and act in it? because of the grace you speak? or are you saved irregardless if you ever learn yopur " identity"? seriously asking because I'm confused on this " have faith in my identity will save me stuff"
 
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No, not in Christ. you are thinking Law. the law was meant to do that totally agree. Christ is NOT Law, he is the freedom from sin. The response Jesus is looking for is simply what He repeats as he teaches His people " obey my commands" keep my words, follow my teachings, I am the Lord."

you are right, without the spirit that came through Jesus sacrifice and ascention, we were Lost. but we are now speaking as those IN Christ and not under the mosaic Law. that is where you are not hearing whats there. you are hearing Jesus say " obey my commands" and in your mind because of the doctrine, you are apllying that as Law, because " unconditional grace" allows for no condition. the issue is Jesus is not Law He was removing the Laws authority as He was saying " you have heard that it was said long ago, nut I tell you" look at His teachings, they were not Law at all. the law was meant to bring us to humility its result " I am just a sinner, cant do tight by God" that is the Laws result. we see our sin and we die, done deal.


praise Be to God through Jesus Christ my Lord ! He came and Gave us the commands of LIFE. He told us plainly how to die to self, and live for God. thats the gospel. and it is meant to be obeyed. not from the stance of Law, but from the satance of the Knowledge " He died for me, because He loved me so much" "greater Love has no one than this" so when a Christian is saying Just Love, they are saying Just lay down yourself, and follow Jesus commands, thats what Love is to God, what Jesus taught us to do. I honestly cant understand some of the belief systems today. to keep doctrine correct, we Just look at Jesus, as we do in every situation in Life. Jesus has every answer to every issue. He is the only answer God is going to Give and He is plenty when taken as He is as He proclaimed. at His word, take Jesus at His word as the Lord and your doctrine will center itself upon Him. then you will Know Grace, and its true meaning and purpose.


if this doctrine is " learn and believe who I am in Jesus" then are you guys actually saved until you figure that poart out and act in it? because of the grace you speak? or are you saved irregardless if you ever learn yopur " identity"? seriously asking because I'm confused on this " have faith in my identity will save me stuff"
I'm thinking commands. They're ALL designed to cause you to acknowledge how utterly dependent upon God you are.
 
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The Lord Jesus Christ gave commands after his beautiful wonderful Resurrection. So many people read pass Acts 1:2 and do not really see what it says.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

So yes the Lord Jesus Christ gave commandments after his Resurrection so we then must look after Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and not to them alone.

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: (Speaking of Saul).

1 Corinthians 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

Paul was given a revelation which was the mystery of the secret. He reveals things that the ascended Lord Jesus Christ gave to him to us. So we cannot dismiss what Paul has wrote by inspiration of the Holy Spirit which so many seem to be doing. Please read 2 Corinthians 15:1-4 then with knowing the gospel given to us by Paul through the ascended Lord of glory the Lord Jesus Christ, read

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

We know that Paul spoke to Gentiles we know this from Acts 9:15 he tells us that after we hear the gospel of our salvation and after we BELIEVE we are sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.

From what i gather from not just this post but nearly everyone I have seen Grace777X70 is right in line with scripture.

God Bless,
 
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"What God requires of us He Himself works in us, or it is not done. He that commands faith, holiness, and love, creates them by the power of His grace..." - Matthew Henry
 
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I'm thinking commands. They're ALL designed to cause you to acknowledge how utterly dependent upon God you are.

I am dependant on Jesus indeed. you know what else? I TRUST Jesus I believe in Him, I believe that He spoke every word from God, I believe all the word says of Him, and I believe everyuthing HE said. so when He says "My word is spirit and Life" I believe that because it is. when He says " obey my commands" I will give all I am to follow that " why ? because I deopend FULLY on Jesus Christ. I already Know what He did for me, I take that as a full commitment to Him. though I can NEVER repay Him, what I can do, is honor His commands of Life.


The Laws commands " thou shalt not, or you will die" there is a command of what not to do, and then a punishment. that is the law. thats 1 covenant. if you do these things you will die by them."

Jesus obey my commands. forgive and you will be forgiven, be merciful and you will receive mercy, give to others and it will be given to you, Love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you that you may be sons of your Father in heaven....ect...thats the new covenant. we cant eliminate the gospel and call it Grace because modern teachers tell us Jesus commands aren't whats important. They are, he makes it super clear how important His words are. His lessons, instructions, warnings, teachings, commands. those are the new covenant. this covenant is Life. these commands are not death at all, they are Life eternal. thats the "good news " of it. the world now camefrom a coveanant that brought death for disobedience, into a covenant that brings life and obedience. if we serve or perceive Jesus as law, we are seeing our Life, as sin and death. He is not Law. He removed the curse and Gave us the commands of eternal Life.

the old = death no hope.

the new= Life eternal Hope.


the old if you first obey, I will bless you

the new= you are blessed now you must obey

the old = sinners trying to please God by behavior

the new = God forgave us all under the old, were clean and new not under law, new creation created in righteousness prepared for every good work" now do we then think no need to follow the vcommands of Life.

Jesus died to remove our slavery to sin, not our obedience to God. He Gave us obedience if we do have the holy spirit, then we have the spirit of holiness. the spirit rules flesh, if we are new, we wil be new in action and truth. the actions are not removed they are commanded by the only authority and they are the only eternal life that exists. Jesus its all about the Lord Jesus
 
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"What God requires of us He Himself works in us, or it is not done. He that commands faith, holiness, and love, creates them by the power of His grace..." - Matthew Henry

"If you Love me, you will obey my commands"- Jesus Christ, the Son of God
 
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We have already died with Christ when He went to the cross - so did we. I love the scene where the two thieves died between Jesus - symbolizing that Jesus died for the whole world but only one believed in Jesus and was with Him when they both died and went to Paradise.

How can we die to ourselves when we are already dead in Christ? Religion has things backwards for some reason.

We need our minds renewed to the new creation in Christ that is created in righteousness and holiness. As we behold the glory of the Lord as in a mirror - the Holy Spirit transforms us to reflect outwardly what "already in" in our new hearts. 2 Cor 3:17-18

For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God . Col 3:3

We have been crucified with Christ - Gal 2:20

We have died with Christ in the same likeness as His death and have been raised to newness of life with Him. Romans 6:3-7


Amen to obeying out Lord!...and this is the commands in the New Covenant after Jesus died for us and rose again.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
I know I was raised to newness of life by receiving the Holy Spirit.
But He shows me things that I have to die to still.
Paul said he died daily. I understand now what he meant.
I must decrease and He must increase is another way to put it.
I must die to my own desires to live for His. And to my pride and my self will and my desire to defend myself and to my wishes and to my selfishness and to my desire to be approved of by men.
I must become more and more like Him.
I don't put to death my new life. I put to death my old life.
He told me to pick up my cross and follow Him. Something is meant to die on that cross.
He doesn't have us carrying it around for no reason.
 
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I know I was raised to newness of life by receiving the Holy Spirit.
But He shows me things that I have to die to still.
Paul said he died daily. I understand now what he meant.
I must decrease and He must increase is another way to put it.
I must die to my own desires to live for His. And to my pride and my self will and my desire to defend myself and to my wishes and to my selfishness and to my desire to be approved of by men.
I must become more and more like Him.
I don't put to death my new life. I put to death my old life.
He told me to pick up my cross and follow Him. Something is meant to die on that cross.
He doesn't have us carrying it around for no reason.

amen to that good stuff there. I fine it interesting that Just before he says to all of them to lay down self and pick up the cross and follow hIM....he tells them of His coming crucifixion and resurrection. I don't want to say much here because your comment really was good
 
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I want to hear whatever you have to add!
We can do a lot of talking about crucifying ourselves when we show that we are doing no such thing. Becoming offended and demanding apology is a big one. We are protecting our "honor." When someone speaks unkindly to us or with arrogance, we squeal as if they are pounding nails into US. We raise such a stink and don't see that we are not putting down our life but are rather protecting it.
 
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I want to hear whatever you have to add!
We can do a lot of talking about crucifying ourselves when we show that we are doing no such thing. Becoming offended and demanding apology is a big one. We are protecting our "honor." When someone speaks unkindly to us or with arrogance, we squeal as if they are pounding nails into US. We raise such a stink and don't see that we are not putting down our life but are rather protecting it.

and also to add to this, often the person ISNT really speaking with arrogance, but rather, the person is speaking the truth and is convinced of it. being "nice" is not always Love. for instance, if my friend is on a current course that I know without a doubt will bring harm to them, id rather them think ill of me, and know the truth, then, if they end up destroyed, I have no regret that I helped do that, or withheld the information that could save their Life.

People may perceive me as arrogant, or anything they wish, if they Hear what God has given me to say to the church, I am blessed whether I am rejected, despised or accepted and Loved. because always and forever those who Love Jesus, are Loved and honored in His eyes far more than they will ever grasp or Know. I liove these folks, especially Bruce, that's why I haven't shaken the dust off because I see His heart is in the right place, its Just the doctrine that confuses. I have never said anyone is Lost or condemned, never accused or name called. I know the power of Jesus Christ the Lord, I know that He is true un every way, I know and believe in full assurance of every fiber of my being that His words are True and they are eternal Life for those who Believe Him.

I know that what I say is true, Because it is recorded in the Gospel, it was taught by Jesus who is the Truth of God, from God, of God Jesus Christ, the only. If anyone regardless of race, age, intellect, their past, thier hurt, thier shortcomings, thier looks, thier social status, thier bank account ANY condition, will come to Jesus and believe Him, Believe In Jesus, Believe Him, understanding that He alone is Lord, all authority belongs to Jesus and learn what HE himself is saying, they will then see thioer Lord saying" do this and live forever in my presence." I do not understand the opposition to the words of the Lord and if that makes me arrogant or perceived in a negative way.......I will praise and shout His name Louder in Joy, because I believe Him and He says " Blessed are you when men persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil thing about you for my sake and the gospel, for Great is your reward in Heaven" if we believe Jesus we have all we ever need in any circumstance


I rambled off track lol but again great stuff in your comment let them have eyes to see and ears to hear in the precious and holy name of Jesus the Son of God. amen
 
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The Lord Jesus Christ gave commands after his beautiful wonderful Resurrection. So many people read pass Acts 1:2 and do not really see what it says.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

So yes the Lord Jesus Christ gave commandments after his Resurrection so we then must look after Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and not to them alone.

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: (Speaking of Saul).

1 Corinthians 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

Paul was given a revelation which was the mystery of the secret. He reveals things that the ascended Lord Jesus Christ gave to him to us. So we cannot dismiss what Paul has wrote by inspiration of the Holy Spirit which so many seem to be doing. Please read 2 Corinthians 15:1-4 then with knowing the gospel given to us by Paul through the ascended Lord of glory the Lord Jesus Christ, read

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

We know that Paul spoke to Gentiles we know this from Acts 9:15 he tells us that after we hear the gospel of our salvation and after we BELIEVE we are sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.

From what i gather from not just this post but nearly everyone I have seen Grace777X70 is right in line with scripture.

God Bless,
nope, you see you have missed verse 1 " in my former book theoplis. I WROTE ABOUT ALL JESUSBEGAN TO DO AND TEACH UNTIL THE DAY HE WAS TAKEN UP TO HEAVEN, AFTER GIVING INSTRUCTIONS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THE APOSTLES. hE HAD CHOSEN.

you see Luke is referring to the book of luke. he is saying I wrote about all Jesus had done and taught UNTIL the day he was taken up to heaven when he says after he had given instructions he is reffering to the great commission. there is no valid argument to omit the commands of Jesus as recorded in the gospel of matthew, mark, luke and John. ommital has many forms. but the verse you just quoted doesn't Jive because you cut it in half. Luke is absolutely confirming His gospel. that's the book hes talking about that records Jesus works and teachings.

Listen, I'm not saying Paul is wrong at all, I'm saying paul is mistaught, misunderstood today in these doctrines. He has been distorted and every condition He makes, is also omitted such as " those who sow to pleas the spirit will reap eternal Life, those who sow to please the sinful nature will reap destruction" this principle is absolutely throughout pauls writings, it is omitted or changed to make it fit " unconditional" acts 1:1-2 would be the appropriate way to read those verses.

same tactic as romans 8:1 but ommital of the rest of the chapter. thanks for those verses though, ill use them at some point to confirm The gospels truth and authority to someone who thinks Jesus gospel is irrelevant. meaning His commands, teachings, principles. and every word recorded in them really. Bruce is exactly in line with the new grace that the world teaches.


God Loves you.
 
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I know I was raised to newness of life by receiving the Holy Spirit.
But He shows me things that I have to die to still.
Paul said he died daily. I understand now what he meant.
I must decrease and He must increase is another way to put it.
I must die to my own desires to live for His. And to my pride and my self will and my desire to defend myself and to my wishes and to my selfishness and to my desire to be approved of by men.
I must become more and more like Him.
I don't put to death my new life. I put to death my old life.
He told me to pick up my cross and follow Him. Something is meant to die on that cross.
He doesn't have us carrying it around for no reason.
When Paul said "I die daily" he was talking about being persecuted for spreading the gospel and that his life was constantly in danger. It has absolutely nothing to do with "dying to self" - we have been taught that in our religious upbringing.

I encourage you to look at that scripture "in context".

We "pick up our cross and follow Him" by acknowledging that we too went to the cross with Jesus and are now died to the old man and we are joined to Jesus now and we live by His life in us.

We do not crucify ourselves - we have already been crucified with Christ. We need to know these truths to grow up in the Lord.

When you see who you really are in Christ - in your inner man of the heart. You will start to consider ourselves alive to God through the Lord Jesus.

Why would we want to die to ourselves when we are in Christ. It's all in the perspective of where our minds are at. We are to focus on the fact that we are now children of God - born again and with a new nature - just like our Father's ( Eph 4:23 ) We are confusing the flesh ( which has the law of sin in it ) with the new person in Christ.


Your old man has died! Now it is time for the renewing of our minds to this newness of life we have in Christ in our inner man created in righteousness and holiness. We are transformed by the renewing of our mind as we behold the glory of the Lord as in a mirror - this is done by the Holy Spirit in us. We do not put to death again what is already died.

 
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I'm thinking commands. They're ALL designed to cause you to acknowledge how utterly dependent upon God you are.
The whole basis of discussion when people say the above statement is so unreal, it blows my
mind.

1. We are always 100% dependent of God, He created, sustains and wills existance itself, every
moment
2. The law was showing a way to live that is right, good, wholesome, healthy, blessed.
3. People fail to fulfill the law but are given a way of reconciliation through sacrifice

The issue for each individual is it is a relationship between them and God, and between them and
their desires. We are born participants in life, its flow, rushing ever forward.

God lays out a path to life, which most rush by and ignore.

The concept commands are just designed to show our need, makes discussion almost impossible
because it is like saying speed limits only exist to show people are breaking them.
 
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The whole basis of discussion when people say the above statement is so unreal, it blows my
mind.

1. We are always 100% dependent of God, He created, sustains and wills existance itself, every
moment
2. The law was showing a way to live that is right, good, wholesome, healthy, blessed.
3. People fail to fulfill the law but are given a way of reconciliation through sacrifice

The issue for each individual is it is a relationship between them and God, and between them and
their desires. We are born participants in life, its flow, rushing ever forward.

God lays out a path to life, which most rush by and ignore.

The concept commands are just designed to show our need, makes discussion almost impossible
because it is like saying speed limits only exist to show people are breaking them.

Concept commands? LOL

You're just making this stuff up as you go along aren't you? Come on, admit it.

Oh, and the point is there is no need for speed limits when Jesus is doing the driving.