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I sometimes mention that when we repent of our sin, most of our problems disappear. People will disagree and say that the world forces all kinds of problems on us. However, I think you will find that the problems we bring onto ourselves through our own sin are far more painful than the problems other people cause us.
 
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My only problem with this is that Jesus said that when we repent (that is, Change our minds, and choose to follow Him.), that we will encounter additional hassles from the world, didn't He?
 
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I sometimes mention that when we repent of our sin, most of our problems disappear. People will disagree and say that the world forces all kinds of problems on us. However, I think you will find that the problems we bring onto ourselves through our own sin are far more painful than the problems other people cause us.
My big problems since 1999.
-- Hubby lost his job because the federal government outsourced making uniforms. (The purpose of the base hubby worked on as a steamfitter.)

-- Gallstones.

-- Gall bladder surgery, where whoever lifted me off the operating table pinched a nerve in my back that only presented in my back for half a day and then the pain stayed -- inside and out -- around my waist. This left me with chronic pain, to the point of disabled.

-- Y2K and dotcommers helped glut the computer tech field until there were 300,000 qualified people too many, including hubby. (He went to a technical school for 18 months to learn how to do Nobell Networking. when he started, Novell had 75% of the business networking computer networking market, and the technicians average in the high $100,000 income bracket. By the time he graduated, 13 months later, Microsoft had 80% of the market and the average technician was making $60,000. Two years later, the employers demanded college graduates and wanted to pay them $30,000 a year.

-- Three jets smashed into three buildings -- the Trade Center and the Pentagon. This took planes out of the skies for three days, destroying many smaller consumer-goods companies out of business, which caused a major recession.

-- 10-20 years before the virus ran rampant in my husband, someone with Hepatitis C had a tiny increment of blood leave their body and landed on hubby near a cut. Hubby was too weak to work, too weak to walk downstairs, too weak to think, before we found the cause, and he had to go on chemo for 24 weeks.

-- 2% of people on chemotherapy end up disabled from the treatment itself. (Without treatment, the person would die, so 2% is acceptable.) Hubby was one of them.

-- I was disabled. He was disabled. The only people who get on SSD immediately are either about to die (within 1-3 months) or have AID's. Neither of us had that scenario (thankfully.) So it took me 2.5 years to go from becoming disabled to going on Disability. (At the time hubby was going through treatment, we were living on my $839 a month, which was supposed to be enough to pay our mortgage -- $550 -- our utilities -- $300 -- and, along with $258 a month in food stamps, pay for the nonfood products we need each month like soap, deodorant, cleaning supplies, etc. We also have a car that tends to need maintenance and insurance.) It took him 18 months because the doctor the SSD sent him to out-and-out lied about hubby's memory. (Hubby couldn't remember the three phrases given to him to remember, a second later, 10 minutes later or half an hour later, so the doctor told him what they were and then wrote down that hubby remembered.)

-- Our house is falling apart because we don't have the money to fix it. (Nothing has been keeping one of our windows up for 20 some years. The windowsill is rotted clear through to the outside. Our roof leaked, and it took us 18 months to save enough to fix that, all the while putting multiple containers where the rain came in. We did get the roof fix, but live with the stains and damage ever since. Our steps and sidewalk was going. We were saving, but then the steps -- the only way out of the house -- went, so we had to get that fixed first. Couldn't afford both, so let the sidewalk get worse. Got sued for a slip and fall on the sidewalk, but Dad happened to give us the money to fix it since. We haven't done any upgrades since 1999.)

-- A cyst of hubby's kidney was cancerous. (Cryoablation through the VA cured him, however you are contending all problems are caused by our sinning. We've both been believers since the early 70's, so repent. Why is God punishing us now? Personally, I don't think he is, but you do.)

-- Hubby had a massive heart attack last November. He came home the end of June, and is still recovering. We're downright excited because he can use a cane now sometimes. (Other times he needs a walker. For doctor appointments, because of the amount of walking required, he still needs a wheelchair.)

-- In 1996, a doctor noticed I had a goiter. Back then it was a series of small cyst in the isthmus of my thyroid. No biggy. (And the best the medical field can guess is goiters are caused by lack of iodine. Hello? I grew up eating seafood at least twice a week. Lots of iodine in my diet. lol) Those small cysts kept spreading. Now they're on all parts of my thyroid. 6 inches of my neck is due to those cysts. It's beginning to affect my swallowing. It's also beginning to squeeze the veins to my head. Next Tuesday, I find out if they will cut off half of my thyroid, all of it, or use oblation to suck out the parts that can be sucked out. (Some is too hard to suck out.) I hope to put it off, until hubby can help me when it's over. Right now, I have to take care of him, until he gets better, so he can't help me yet. And because we are both disabled, we couldn't go to church or keep up with our friends, and our families live an hour away or further and have their own lives to live, so it is just the two of us living with God on our side.

I don't believe my "problems" are caused by anyone else. I also don't believe sin caused them. I believe God causes them. This is life, and life abundantly, since God governs all.

BUT you think it's my sin, (or maybe our sin), so, please, explain to me your theory again using our lives as the example. Because quite a lot of this is painful. And the biggest problems I had before I did repent (and still do repent when I sin) were my parents separated and my brother was a vicious bully. Seems quaint looking back at all that has happened since I became a believer.
 
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My only problem with this is that Jesus said that when we repent (that is, Change our minds, and choose to follow Him.), that we will encounter additional hassles from the world, didn't He?
But like I said, those hassles are far less painful than the ones we bring on ourselves through our sin.

Jesus says his burden is light and then seems to contradict himself by saying the way is hard. We need to recognize the context, perhaps.
 
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My big problems since 1999.
-- Hubby lost his job because the federal government outsourced making uniforms. (The purpose of the base hubby worked on as a steamfitter.)

-- Gallstones.

-- Gall bladder surgery, where whoever lifted me off the operating table pinched a nerve in my back that only presented in my back for half a day and then the pain stayed -- inside and out -- around my waist. This left me with chronic pain, to the point of disabled.

-- Y2K and dotcommers helped glut the computer tech field until there were 300,000 qualified people too many, including hubby. (He went to a technical school for 18 months to learn how to do Nobell Networking. when he started, Novell had 75% of the business networking computer networking market, and the technicians average in the high $100,000 income bracket. By the time he graduated, 13 months later, Microsoft had 80% of the market and the average technician was making $60,000. Two years later, the employers demanded college graduates and wanted to pay them $30,000 a year.

-- Three jets smashed into three buildings -- the Trade Center and the Pentagon. This took planes out of the skies for three days, destroying many smaller consumer-goods companies out of business, which caused a major recession.

-- 10-20 years before the virus ran rampant in my husband, someone with Hepatitis C had a tiny increment of blood leave their body and landed on hubby near a cut. Hubby was too weak to work, too weak to walk downstairs, too weak to think, before we found the cause, and he had to go on chemo for 24 weeks.

-- 2% of people on chemotherapy end up disabled from the treatment itself. (Without treatment, the person would die, so 2% is acceptable.) Hubby was one of them.

-- I was disabled. He was disabled. The only people who get on SSD immediately are either about to die (within 1-3 months) or have AID's. Neither of us had that scenario (thankfully.) So it took me 2.5 years to go from becoming disabled to going on Disability. (At the time hubby was going through treatment, we were living on my $839 a month, which was supposed to be enough to pay our mortgage -- $550 -- our utilities -- $300 -- and, along with $258 a month in food stamps, pay for the nonfood products we need each month like soap, deodorant, cleaning supplies, etc. We also have a car that tends to need maintenance and insurance.) It took him 18 months because the doctor the SSD sent him to out-and-out lied about hubby's memory. (Hubby couldn't remember the three phrases given to him to remember, a second later, 10 minutes later or half an hour later, so the doctor told him what they were and then wrote down that hubby remembered.)

-- Our house is falling apart because we don't have the money to fix it. (Nothing has been keeping one of our windows up for 20 some years. The windowsill is rotted clear through to the outside. Our roof leaked, and it took us 18 months to save enough to fix that, all the while putting multiple containers where the rain came in. We did get the roof fix, but live with the stains and damage ever since. Our steps and sidewalk was going. We were saving, but then the steps -- the only way out of the house -- went, so we had to get that fixed first. Couldn't afford both, so let the sidewalk get worse. Got sued for a slip and fall on the sidewalk, but Dad happened to give us the money to fix it since. We haven't done any upgrades since 1999.)

-- A cyst of hubby's kidney was cancerous. (Cryoablation through the VA cured him, however you are contending all problems are caused by our sinning. We've both been believers since the early 70's, so repent. Why is God punishing us now? Personally, I don't think he is, but you do.)

-- Hubby had a massive heart attack last November. He came home the end of June, and is still recovering. We're downright excited because he can use a cane now sometimes. (Other times he needs a walker. For doctor appointments, because of the amount of walking required, he still needs a wheelchair.)

-- In 1996, a doctor noticed I had a goiter. Back then it was a series of small cyst in the isthmus of my thyroid. No biggy. (And the best the medical field can guess is goiters are caused by lack of iodine. Hello? I grew up eating seafood at least twice a week. Lots of iodine in my diet. lol) Those small cysts kept spreading. Now they're on all parts of my thyroid. 6 inches of my neck is due to those cysts. It's beginning to affect my swallowing. It's also beginning to squeeze the veins to my head. Next Tuesday, I find out if they will cut off half of my thyroid, all of it, or use oblation to suck out the parts that can be sucked out. (Some is too hard to suck out.) I hope to put it off, until hubby can help me when it's over. Right now, I have to take care of him, until he gets better, so he can't help me yet. And because we are both disabled, we couldn't go to church or keep up with our friends, and our families live an hour away or further and have their own lives to live, so it is just the two of us living with God on our side.

I don't believe my "problems" are caused by anyone else. I also don't believe sin caused them. I believe God causes them. This is life, and life abundantly, since God governs all.

BUT you think it's my sin, (or maybe our sin), so, please, explain to me your theory again using our lives as the example. Because quite a lot of this is painful. And the biggest problems I had before I did repent (and still do repent when I sin) were my parents separated and my brother was a vicious bully. Seems quaint looking back at all that has happened since I became a believer.
I would rather face those challenges with a clear conscience than a guilty one.
 
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I would rather face those challenges with a clear conscience than a guilty one.
Doesn't make them any less problems. And you didn't answer my request. Rather back pedaled.
 

notuptome

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Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

FlSnookman7

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Praying for you and your husband Deleted.
 
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Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Do you know what scourging is? Do you really think that's how God deals with His Children whom He loves?
 
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Her point was that you claim that most of our problems disappear when we repent
while she has clearly experienced a LOT of problems
... and I strongly doubt she has sinned any more or "worse" than either of us
... so your theory seems to be at fault
 
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Her point was that you claim that most of our problems disappear when we repent
while she has clearly experienced a LOT of problems
... and I strongly doubt she has sinned any more or "worse" than either of us
... so your theory seems to be at fault
But the Lord solves our problems for us.
 
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He does?
Then how come a job hasn't landed in my lap?
How come my mother is in pain every day?
How come so many people on these forums are ill and depressed?
How come people commit suicide because they feel the world is too much?
 
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He does?
Then how come a job hasn't landed in my lap?
How come my mother is in pain every day?
How come so many people on these forums are ill and depressed?
How come people commit suicide because they feel the world is too much?
The Lord solves problems in his own way. Part of it is listening to him and following directions.
 

notuptome

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Do you know what scourging is? Do you really think that's how God deals with His Children whom He loves?
I cited chapter and verse. Does God need my approval about how He deals with His children?

Are you suggesting that Hebrews 12:6 is a lie? Show me one Christian who has lived without any pain or suffering. Just one that you can point to and say this believer has never experienced suffering.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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I cited chapter and verse. Does God need my approval about how He deals with His children?

Are you suggesting that Hebrews 12:6 is a lie? Show me one Christian who has lived without any pain or suffering. Just one that you can point to and say this believer has never experienced suffering.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
My Bible has a little footnote that points to Proverbs 3:11-12 as the original source for Hebrews 12:6. Can you see what is different?


"My son, do not despise the Lord’s discipline, and do not resent His rebuke, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, as a father the son he delights in."
 

Grandpa

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I wondered why the Lord didn't just take me right then and there when I first came to Him.

It seemed to me like it would be so much simpler and easier on everyone.

Maybe He's got some plan for me that comes later.

I noticed that when we go through certain things that we are much more able to speak to people who are also going through those same things. And when we can show them the faith that we have in the Lord is what defines us and not the bad experience we are going through, I think that helps people. To have a certain peace in the storm...
 
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:rofl: as it is written
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1 Juan: 2. 15. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
 
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Depleted, the reason we have problems like you listed is because sin entered into the World through Adam.

You gave a very long list. Are you bragging or complaining? I cannot tell which you are doing.

I can match you point for point in my life but why would i do that? Are your eyes on God or your problems?

REJOICE in God!
 
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so many times when our Father tests us to the max, resting in His arms isn't always an appealing
as it seems it should be, knowing He is always with us Spiritually is so comforting, but in reality
just knowing or anticipating what may happen next or what our next chore or trial may be, well, sometimes
it may make us wonder, 'what the heck is goin'-on here?

in God's reality, none of the terrible burdens that we have to bear are ones that we should have
to bear alone.,..there should always be Brethren/Churches, friends and family to help one another through
loving service, in a multitude of capacaties...-
this simply is not the way of this world, it's like loving and caring for one another is an abomination
to the worldly mind...we know, for we were for many years volunteers at different 'nursing-homes'
on the weekends.

yes, we are much older now and are experiencing many of the awful and neglectful things that should
have been provided for those who have needs that they can't meet or perhaps may need help with,
especially by our families and old, supposedly best-friends!...& supposedly Church Brethren!

we say, 'God's Will be done', and we must admit, that the calamity and indifference of this evil world
drives us closer and closer into the arms of God Almighty, because in reality, there really are
no other options - He's going to get our attention and devotion, one way or another, praise God!!!

we know for sure that God's Judgment shall ensue to clean-up all of mankind's mess...
 
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