Revelation 13 Jesus Christ 667

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Gladstone

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How does the Christian Church react if the beast from Revelation 13 has the name the Lord Jesus Christ? The word "Lord" is used 667 times in the New Testament, and the name "Jesus Christ" is used 667 times in the four gospels. Compare Nehemiah 7:18 to Ezra 2:13. What name do you call upon in the event that the beast has the name the Lord Jesus Christ?
 
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hmmm, what are your sources?

According to biblegateway Lord is only used 635 times in the NT
It also says (for the entire NT ):
Jesus Christ is used 219 times
Jesus: 1310 times
Christ: 469 times
 
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Blueletterbible says that Strongs G2962 is translated as "Lord" in the KJV 667 times. As for the other, I counted the times "Jesus," "Christ," "Jesus Christ," and "Jesus who is called Christ" 668 times in the four gospels and subtracted the one occurrence of the name "Jesus," which the Roman Catholic Church admits to have added at the end of Mark. You won't find another source proclaiming his name to occur that number of times. You would have to count it yourself or have someone else you trust to count it for you.
 
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Gladstone said:
How does the Christian Church react if the beast from Revelation 13 has the name the Lord Jesus Christ? The word "Lord" is used 667 times in the New Testament, and the name "Jesus Christ" is used 667 times in the four gospels. Compare Nehemiah 7:18 to Ezra 2:13. What name do you call upon in the event that the beast has the name the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Which translation are you checking? Is the number consistent across different translations?
 
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Actually the number for the Anti-Christ is 666.

Revelation 13:18
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Read it again....
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Go back to the same page you were just on, and there it says that it is translated "Lord" 667x.
It does say that it occurs 748 times, but just below that it says it is translated as "Lord" 667x.
 
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Magenta said:
Which translation are you checking? Is the number consistent across different translations?
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KJV. I know that in the Geneva version there is one instance where "Christ" is replaced with "the anointed of the Lord," so, No, it should not work in all translations.
 
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PaulMack said:
Actually the number for the Anti-Christ is 666.

Revelation 13:18
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.
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Which is why you compare Nehemiah to Ezra. Nehemiah records 667 children of Adonikam. Ezra records 666 children of Adonikam. If all scripture is the inspired word of God given for reproof of doctrine, then 666 could have secretly meant 667 to those with wisdom and understanding.
 
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I think this will be a great discussion after everyone understands that the numbers aren't made up. What happens when the beast calls himself the Lord Jesus Christ?
 
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Gladstone said:
Go back to the same page you were just on, and there it says that it is translated "Lord" 667x.
It does say that it occurs 748 times, but just below that it says it is translated as "Lord" 667x.
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Yeah, but that is just how the writers of the KJV translated that word κύριος (kyrios), (G2962) in different parts of scripture, it may be translated different in other translations. Add all those up....

The KJV translates Strongs G2962 in the following manner: Lord (667x), lord (54x), master (11x), sir (6x), Sir (6x), miscellaneous (4x).

667+54+11+6+6+4=748 times
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Yeah, but that is just how the writers of the KJV translated that word κύριος (kyrios), (G2962) in different parts of scripture, it may be translated different in other translations. Add all those up....

The KJV translates Strongs G2962 in the following manner: Lord (667x), lord (54x), master (11x), sir (6x), Sir (6x), miscellaneous (4x).

667+54+11+6+6+4=748 times
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It is really only a distraction from the topic to be caught up by the numbers. The numbers are important because they reveal to us his name. Why wouldn't the beast be called the Lord Jesus Christ? Of course he would be. I would like to discuss how that applies to our salvation. If the Lord Jesus Christ is the only name whereby we are saved but is also the name of the beast, then how does that work out?
 
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Gladstone said:
Blueletterbible says that Strongs G2962 is translated as "Lord" in the KJV 667 times. As for the other, I counted the times "Jesus," "Christ," "Jesus Christ," and "Jesus who is called Christ" 668 times in the four gospels and subtracted the one occurrence of the name "Jesus," which the Roman Catholic Church admits to have added at the end of Mark. You won't find another source proclaiming his name to occur that number of times. You would have to count it yourself or have someone else you trust to count it for you.
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My kjv concordance has 675 mentions of Lord in NT and 605 mentions of Jesus in the Gospels. As there are very few mentions of Christ alone this suggests you are either in error or different KJVs have different numbers.
 
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The man of lawlessness/son of perdition/AntiChrist/first beast....
Scripture says that the AntiChrist will come with all lying signs and wonders, and thus perform great miracles by the power of Satan to deceive. Thus the tribulation saints will have to stand strong against this man who claims to be God. I wouldn't be surprised if he calls himself Jesus. The bible warns against false Christs and even goes as far to say that a different doctrine gives a different gospel and a different Christ. So when someone comes claiming to be Christ, we very well may believe them, but we should know the difference and stand against it! Do not be deceived (meaning we can be deceived if we do not discern).
 
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Gladstone said:
It is really only a distraction from the topic to be caught up by the numbers. The numbers are important because they reveal to us his name. Why wouldn't the beast be called the Lord Jesus Christ? Of course he would be. I would like to discuss how that applies to our salvation. If the Lord Jesus Christ is the only name whereby we are saved but is also the name of the beast, then how does that work out?
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Your theory is messed up because we are supposed to get the victory over the mark, image, number and name of the man/beast. So we are not getting victory over the name of Jesus Christ, but rather over the name of Death. I wrote a complete Bible based study on it if you really, really, really want to know the Truth. Here it is---->>>>>>Understanding the mark, name, and number of the man/beast | Christian Forums
 
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Gladstone said:
How does the Christian Church react if the beast from Revelation 13 has the name the Lord Jesus Christ? The word "Lord" is used 667 times in the New Testament, and the name "Jesus Christ" is used 667 times in the four gospels.
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I do not follow. Why should Christian Church react to some accidental numbers in KJV translation?
 
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:rofl: as it is written
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1 Juan: 2. 15. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
 
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