The Holy Spirt, 3rd person in God, fact or fiction?
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Holy Spirit is a person in the Trinity. Jesus Himself called "Him" a "He". These are terms of describing distinct beings.
John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that Hemay be with you forever;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that Hemay be with you forever;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
1 Corinthians 2:10-11
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
Romans 8:26-27
26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
Ephesians 4:30
30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
John 15:26
26 “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, 27 and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 14:16-17
16 I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
Matthew 12:31-32
31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
The Holy Spirit is a person. I do know for a fact there are some on this chat site who REJECT the Holy Spirit at their peril!
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
Romans 8:26-27
26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
Ephesians 4:30
30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
John 15:26
26 “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, 27 and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 14:16-17
16 I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
Matthew 12:31-32
31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
The Holy Spirit is a person. I do know for a fact there are some on this chat site who REJECT the Holy Spirit at their peril!
I believe in the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,but I do not believe they are 3 persons in a trinity,but the 3 ways God has a relationship with His people,designated by titles.
I look at it as one God,who is a Holy Spirit.Father is a title for God,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Father-a title for God's parental role in the life of the saints,and Creator of people,for He is the Father of spirits.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints,which Jesus told the disciples if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,and there is one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,and God working spiritually among mankind.
Jesus said only ask the Father for the things you petition,but in another scripture,Jesus said ask Him,and He will do it.
Where is God the Son,for why was Jesus conceived by the third person of a trinity,and not God the Son manifest in flesh.
The New Testament says there is but one God,the Father,and one God,and Father of all,who is above all,and through all,and in you all.
The Bible only attributes the Father as God,which why did it not say 3 persons in one God.
One God and Father of all,who is above all,so how does that put the trinity as all coequal,and how can they all be an omnipresent Spirit,for they would overlap each other.
Jesus said it is the Father that dwells in Him,He does the works,but He was conceived by the Holy Spirit,so how can they occupy the same space.
Anything that people say about 3 persons in one God,I can through scriptures prove to them it is incorrect.
3 relationships God has with His people,designated by titles.
Jesus is God manifest in flesh,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated,and according to Him being God,he has no beginning,but according to His humanity he has a beginning,which the scriptures will fall in to place.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
There is only one God,the Father,and one visible manifestation of God to provide salvation,the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
One God and Father of all,who is above all,and through all,and in you all,which the Bible says only one God,the Father,and only giving Him credit.
No need to mention the Holy Spirit,for God is a Holy Spirit,and Father is a title,when we see Father,we know only only God,who is a Holy Spirit.No need to mention the Son,because He is the man Christ Jesus,unless you talk about His deity,who is the one true God,with no distinction of persons.
One God,the Father,not three persons in one God.
Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Do not ask the Son anything,but only ask the Father in Jesus' name,and the Father will do it.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
What,now Jesus said,that He will do it.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
What,the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.
One God,the Father,who is above all,and through all,and in you all,not three persons in one God.
I look at it as one God,who is a Holy Spirit.Father is a title for God,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Father-a title for God's parental role in the life of the saints,and Creator of people,for He is the Father of spirits.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints,which Jesus told the disciples if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,and there is one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,and God working spiritually among mankind.
Jesus said only ask the Father for the things you petition,but in another scripture,Jesus said ask Him,and He will do it.
Where is God the Son,for why was Jesus conceived by the third person of a trinity,and not God the Son manifest in flesh.
The New Testament says there is but one God,the Father,and one God,and Father of all,who is above all,and through all,and in you all.
The Bible only attributes the Father as God,which why did it not say 3 persons in one God.
One God and Father of all,who is above all,so how does that put the trinity as all coequal,and how can they all be an omnipresent Spirit,for they would overlap each other.
Jesus said it is the Father that dwells in Him,He does the works,but He was conceived by the Holy Spirit,so how can they occupy the same space.
Anything that people say about 3 persons in one God,I can through scriptures prove to them it is incorrect.
3 relationships God has with His people,designated by titles.
Jesus is God manifest in flesh,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated,and according to Him being God,he has no beginning,but according to His humanity he has a beginning,which the scriptures will fall in to place.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
There is only one God,the Father,and one visible manifestation of God to provide salvation,the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
One God and Father of all,who is above all,and through all,and in you all,which the Bible says only one God,the Father,and only giving Him credit.
No need to mention the Holy Spirit,for God is a Holy Spirit,and Father is a title,when we see Father,we know only only God,who is a Holy Spirit.No need to mention the Son,because He is the man Christ Jesus,unless you talk about His deity,who is the one true God,with no distinction of persons.
One God,the Father,not three persons in one God.
Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Do not ask the Son anything,but only ask the Father in Jesus' name,and the Father will do it.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
What,now Jesus said,that He will do it.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
What,the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.
One God,the Father,who is above all,and through all,and in you all,not three persons in one God.
T
Lots and lots of inaccurate statements about God, the nature of God, the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit here.
In fact there are plenty of incontrovertible Scriptural references verifying the dieity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, the fact that they indeed individual persons of the Godhead, and the Trinity itself.
The fact that the word "trinity" is not found in Scripture is not by itself any valid reason to dismiss the concept and the doctrine of the Trinity.
In fact there are plenty of incontrovertible Scriptural references verifying the dieity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, the fact that they indeed individual persons of the Godhead, and the Trinity itself.
The fact that the word "trinity" is not found in Scripture is not by itself any valid reason to dismiss the concept and the doctrine of the Trinity.
Luke 3:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, [SUP]22 [/SUP]and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”
Here, the clearest possible distinction is drawn between Jesus Christ, who was on earth; the Father, who spoke to Jesus from Heaven as one person speaks to another person, and the Holy Spirit, who descended in a bodily form as a dove from the Father (who was speaking) to the Son (to whom the Father was speaking) and rested upon the Son as a person separate and distinct from Himself.
Matthew 28:19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
We see a clear distinction drawn between the name of the Father and that of the Son and that of the Holy Spirit.
God the Father is a Spirit.
God the Son is a Spirit.
God the Holy Spirit is a Spirit.
All three make up the complete God.
The Holy Spirit is a person disciplemike, not an ambiguous IT like you teach.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, [SUP]22 [/SUP]and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”
Here, the clearest possible distinction is drawn between Jesus Christ, who was on earth; the Father, who spoke to Jesus from Heaven as one person speaks to another person, and the Holy Spirit, who descended in a bodily form as a dove from the Father (who was speaking) to the Son (to whom the Father was speaking) and rested upon the Son as a person separate and distinct from Himself.
Matthew 28:19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
We see a clear distinction drawn between the name of the Father and that of the Son and that of the Holy Spirit.
God the Father is a Spirit.
God the Son is a Spirit.
God the Holy Spirit is a Spirit.
All three make up the complete God.
The Holy Spirit is a person disciplemike, not an ambiguous IT like you teach.
Wait, what about the other Spirits of God?
And the Spirit of the YHVH shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the YHVH.
Isaiah 11:2 (ESV2011, MBM)
It is listed as seven Spirits of God. So "trinity" probably won't do. (Revelation 1:4, 3:1, 4:5, 5:6)
What is the Old English word for "seven"?
And the Spirit of the YHVH shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the YHVH.
Isaiah 11:2 (ESV2011, MBM)
It is listed as seven Spirits of God. So "trinity" probably won't do. (Revelation 1:4, 3:1, 4:5, 5:6)
What is the Old English word for "seven"?
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T
I see you are still playing around with Scripture.
Context is everything - the subject of the sentence, the Spirit of the Lord has the characteristics of the following phrases that you underlined.
It is drawing a pretty long bow to try to claim that they refer to separate entities.
Whatever it is that you are trying to push here it doesn't mean anything since those phrases refer back to the subject.
Furthermore you cannot use this as a justification for your point that the Holy Spirit is not a person distinct from the person of God the Father, and person of Jesus Christ.
You are still trying to twist Scripture to "prove" all sorts of nonsensical points of view that you hold.
Context is everything - the subject of the sentence, the Spirit of the Lord has the characteristics of the following phrases that you underlined.
It is drawing a pretty long bow to try to claim that they refer to separate entities.
Whatever it is that you are trying to push here it doesn't mean anything since those phrases refer back to the subject.
Furthermore you cannot use this as a justification for your point that the Holy Spirit is not a person distinct from the person of God the Father, and person of Jesus Christ.
You are still trying to twist Scripture to "prove" all sorts of nonsensical points of view that you hold.
Maybe he got it from Revelation - it just says the here are seven Spirits ( the kjv capitalized "spirit" here )
It does not say it is the Holy Spirit. I'm sure there are many spirits in heaven.
Each time Jesus spoke of "Him" - it is in the singular form in Greek. There is only one of Him.
Revelation 1:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
It does not say it is the Holy Spirit. I'm sure there are many spirits in heaven.
Each time Jesus spoke of "Him" - it is in the singular form in Greek. There is only one of Him.
Revelation 1:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,