The Bible, the infallible Word of God?
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The Bible was written by the “holy men of God”. It is the best read and best loved books by many bible believers but also the most hated books of all time by skeptics- agnostics, unbelievers alike. Proving the infallibility of the Bible without using the Bible is not impossible. Here are some basic approaches to the question being brought by the OP.
1. Wicked kings and Emperors unable to destroy it.
2. Atheist could not disprove it.
3. Archaeological evidence defends it.
4. History, the arts and science proves it.
1. Wicked kings and Emperors unable to destroy it.
2. Atheist could not disprove it.
3. Archaeological evidence defends it.
4. History, the arts and science proves it.
One way is that to describe infallible, that it is a perfect law in its original autographs . This is when God first moved men according to His will to perform it, writing it down according to the working of His Spirit of Christ. In other words no theories as private interpretations of men .Just facts of someone who was there as His witness of the events..It His witness as his interpretation is therefore greater than the witness of mans interpretation.
It is why we are infallibly informed there is no daysman between us as a umpire assigned by both parties approved of both God not seen and man seen to call balls , as errors, and strikes as truth.
That is something that is assigned to the Pope as another christ (anti) ,replacing the holy anointing Spirit of God on earth
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.2Pe 1:20
It is why we are infallibly informed there is no daysman between us as a umpire assigned by both parties approved of both God not seen and man seen to call balls , as errors, and strikes as truth.
That is something that is assigned to the Pope as another christ (anti) ,replacing the holy anointing Spirit of God on earth
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.2Pe 1:20
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I hope you guys realize the deception that is taking place on this thread. Honestly. This guy is weaving a web so sly (in his mind) that he is ensnaring loving Christians, and causing them to be caught up in debating "foolish questions." The Apostle warned us against doing this.
and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:9) But avoid foolish questions,and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
This current thread is slyly based on the first such thread he posted here. The "Can you prove God is real" one. I'm sure he believes himself to be quite the master of puppetry, for he has loving Christians "dancing" to his deceptiveness.
See, one can "never" prove the Bible is the "infallible Word of God," until one "first proves" that God is real. And, remember, in "both" threads, he lays out "restrictions" which do not allow one to use the Word of God as proof of either.
I surely hope that the loving Christians here realize and remember that such questions as these are the STANDARD questions posed by every atheist that has ever come to our beloved CC. Such questions are straight out of the troll/atheist Handbook, and are intended to do nothing more than cause division, and dissention among the loving Christians here.
If anyone doubts this, simply do a "search" of the title to his first thread "can you prove God is real" and you will find many, many threads, going back many, many months/years in the Historical Archives of CC.
Please do not get caught up/entangled in the the web of deceit this guy is weaving.
God bless the loving Christians here......
and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:9) But avoid foolish questions,and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
This current thread is slyly based on the first such thread he posted here. The "Can you prove God is real" one. I'm sure he believes himself to be quite the master of puppetry, for he has loving Christians "dancing" to his deceptiveness.
See, one can "never" prove the Bible is the "infallible Word of God," until one "first proves" that God is real. And, remember, in "both" threads, he lays out "restrictions" which do not allow one to use the Word of God as proof of either.
I surely hope that the loving Christians here realize and remember that such questions as these are the STANDARD questions posed by every atheist that has ever come to our beloved CC. Such questions are straight out of the troll/atheist Handbook, and are intended to do nothing more than cause division, and dissention among the loving Christians here.
If anyone doubts this, simply do a "search" of the title to his first thread "can you prove God is real" and you will find many, many threads, going back many, many months/years in the Historical Archives of CC.
Please do not get caught up/entangled in the the web of deceit this guy is weaving.
God bless the loving Christians here......
Why p_rehbein do you feel the need to attack everyone who disagrees with you? Are you that insecure in your Salvation?
If you had read the question the person is asking "how would you prove that the Bible is the very Word of God". I believe he is not saying the Word is not from God like you teach.
I believe he is asking how would you prove to a non believer that the Bible is from God?
Could it be you have wrongly judged this person?
Could it be maybe he is asking for help?
It seem you p_rehbein are very quick to judge others. Why?
If you had read the question the person is asking "how would you prove that the Bible is the very Word of God". I believe he is not saying the Word is not from God like you teach.
I believe he is asking how would you prove to a non believer that the Bible is from God?
Could it be you have wrongly judged this person?
Could it be maybe he is asking for help?
It seem you p_rehbein are very quick to judge others. Why?
Interesting thoughts... maybe because many false teachers invaded the churches, the community and chat forums 
God bless!
God bless!
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[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
This is the universal law whether people have heard the word of God,or not,and applies to everyone from the time of Adam and Eve,until God puts down the beast kingdom.
Creation testifies of a higher power,and His attributes,the Godhead,that He is wise,intelligent,powerful,and loving towards people,for He provided food,and the means to make clothing,and shelter,so since this higher power loves people,and created all things,then people should love each other,and obey this higher power in this fashion.
Which this universal law,is love works no ill towards their neighbor;therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,love people,for if a person loves people they will surely love God,for there is no one that can love people perfectly without believing in a higher power,whether they heard the word of God or not.
But of course a person that has heard the truth has an advantage over those that have heard not,which the Bible says the Jews had the advantage for the words of God were given to them,but all people will be judged on how they loved people,and the universal law nobody can escape from,whether they heard the word of God or not.
It appears as if people will look to a higher power if they are not influenced by anything contrary to it,for the Bible says when they knew God they did not want to believe that a higher power created all things,but wanted to believe things came about in a different fashion,by the process of nature,natural,which that belief will come later in life,if they are not influenced by anything else as a child.Our first reaction will be there is a higher power,and they knew God for creation testifies of Him,and His love towards people.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Produce your cause, saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]The first shall say to Zion, Behold, behold them: and I will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion.
God challenges all people,and religions,to prove that their God is true,by showing the end from the beginning,which God told the whole history of mankind,and even what is going to happen in the future concerning the world,that they will come together and rebel against God,which we can see it is going according to plan on the world's part,which God told us.
God said no other person,or religion,will be able to do this,proving that He is the one true God.
Also miracles will testify that God is true,but there is a lot of hypocrisy,and wrongful beliefs,that is hindering that happening,because a lack of the Spirit working among people.
Jesus said when He comes back will He find faith on earth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
This is the universal law whether people have heard the word of God,or not,and applies to everyone from the time of Adam and Eve,until God puts down the beast kingdom.
Creation testifies of a higher power,and His attributes,the Godhead,that He is wise,intelligent,powerful,and loving towards people,for He provided food,and the means to make clothing,and shelter,so since this higher power loves people,and created all things,then people should love each other,and obey this higher power in this fashion.
Which this universal law,is love works no ill towards their neighbor;therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,love people,for if a person loves people they will surely love God,for there is no one that can love people perfectly without believing in a higher power,whether they heard the word of God or not.
But of course a person that has heard the truth has an advantage over those that have heard not,which the Bible says the Jews had the advantage for the words of God were given to them,but all people will be judged on how they loved people,and the universal law nobody can escape from,whether they heard the word of God or not.
It appears as if people will look to a higher power if they are not influenced by anything contrary to it,for the Bible says when they knew God they did not want to believe that a higher power created all things,but wanted to believe things came about in a different fashion,by the process of nature,natural,which that belief will come later in life,if they are not influenced by anything else as a child.Our first reaction will be there is a higher power,and they knew God for creation testifies of Him,and His love towards people.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Produce your cause, saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]The first shall say to Zion, Behold, behold them: and I will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion.
God challenges all people,and religions,to prove that their God is true,by showing the end from the beginning,which God told the whole history of mankind,and even what is going to happen in the future concerning the world,that they will come together and rebel against God,which we can see it is going according to plan on the world's part,which God told us.
God said no other person,or religion,will be able to do this,proving that He is the one true God.
Also miracles will testify that God is true,but there is a lot of hypocrisy,and wrongful beliefs,that is hindering that happening,because a lack of the Spirit working among people.
Jesus said when He comes back will He find faith on earth.
Mental telepathy? Well, by virtue of the fact that it is written that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God then obviously if one walks by faith and not by sight then the gift of speaking in tongues, or rather the ability to communicate using the spoken word manifests from the spirit within in man made in the likeness and image of the Holy Ghost.
“Children who are never spoken to will not acquire language. And the language must be used for interaction with the child; for example, a child who regularly hears language on the TV or radio but nowhere else will not learn to talk.”
Linguistic Society of America
Actually never gave it much thought.....
Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book!
That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!
Job 19
One might consider semantics......That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!
Job 19
“Children who are never spoken to will not acquire language. And the language must be used for interaction with the child; for example, a child who regularly hears language on the TV or radio but nowhere else will not learn to talk.”
Linguistic Society of America
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day:
Genesis 3:8
Genesis 3:8
Actually never gave it much thought.....
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Prophecy fulfilled is pretty convincing!
Also, someone mentioned earlier that people of all religions are required to prove their god out. But that's a key thing that makes a relationship with God through Jesus Christ different than the world's religions.
Man in his religion has a god of his own making or imagination, and uses his religion to try to get to him/her/it and prove it to others.
Jesus is God who came to us in the flesh. He proved Himself to us by fulfilling prophecy. He told of His own death, burial and resurrection, and He accomplished it.
He promised to send the Holy Spirit to dwell in His believers, to seal, comfort, teach, enlighten, and equip, among other things, and millions can attest to this happening in various degrees since first believing in Jesus, and that this would be a witness to the truth, and this would be HIS Spirit and the Spirit of God.
He proved Himself to us, and these things weren't done in secret.
He hung on that cross for all the world to see, and the tomb is still empty.
Most modern calendars are hinged upon His arrival.
Countless faithful have been persecuted, imprisoned, tortured and murdered simply for believing in Jesus.
Hospitals, schools, rescue centers, soup kitchens, charities, good works of all kinds have been built and funded by people who've asked little to nothing in return, all in His name.
Since the Bible is the book about and by this very God and Savior, it must be infallible, else, which parts are not trustworthy? And if the book can't be trusted, can the God it is written by and about be trusted?
But of course, God is infallible, and so is His Word.
Also, someone mentioned earlier that people of all religions are required to prove their god out. But that's a key thing that makes a relationship with God through Jesus Christ different than the world's religions.
Man in his religion has a god of his own making or imagination, and uses his religion to try to get to him/her/it and prove it to others.
Jesus is God who came to us in the flesh. He proved Himself to us by fulfilling prophecy. He told of His own death, burial and resurrection, and He accomplished it.
He promised to send the Holy Spirit to dwell in His believers, to seal, comfort, teach, enlighten, and equip, among other things, and millions can attest to this happening in various degrees since first believing in Jesus, and that this would be a witness to the truth, and this would be HIS Spirit and the Spirit of God.
He proved Himself to us, and these things weren't done in secret.
He hung on that cross for all the world to see, and the tomb is still empty.
Most modern calendars are hinged upon His arrival.
Countless faithful have been persecuted, imprisoned, tortured and murdered simply for believing in Jesus.
Hospitals, schools, rescue centers, soup kitchens, charities, good works of all kinds have been built and funded by people who've asked little to nothing in return, all in His name.
Since the Bible is the book about and by this very God and Savior, it must be infallible, else, which parts are not trustworthy? And if the book can't be trusted, can the God it is written by and about be trusted?
But of course, God is infallible, and so is His Word.
M
I hope you guys realize the deception that is taking place on this thread. Honestly. This guy is weaving a web so sly (in his mind) that he is ensnaring loving Christians, and causing them to be caught up in debating "foolish questions." The Apostle warned us against doing this.
and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:9) But avoid foolish questions,and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
This current thread is slyly based on the first such thread he posted here. The "Can you prove God is real" one. I'm sure he believes himself to be quite the master of puppetry, for he has loving Christians "dancing" to his deceptiveness.
See, one can "never" prove the Bible is the "infallible Word of God," until one "first proves" that God is real. And, remember, in "both" threads, he lays out "restrictions" which do not allow one to use the Word of God as proof of either.
I surely hope that the loving Christians here realize and remember that such questions as these are the STANDARD questions posed by every atheist that has ever come to our beloved CC. Such questions are straight out of the troll/atheist Handbook, and are intended to do nothing more than cause division, and dissention among the loving Christians here.
If anyone doubts this, simply do a "search" of the title to his first thread "can you prove God is real" and you will find many, many threads, going back many, many months/years in the Historical Archives of CC.
Please do not get caught up/entangled in the the web of deceit this guy is weaving.
God bless the loving Christians here......
@p_rehbein Very nice point of view and great discernment
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Jesus is the Living Word. The Bible is the written Word. The Bible is our spiritual food. All Christians should read, study, and meditate on the Word of God daily. Basic instructions before leaving this earth (Bible) (God) Good order and Direction.
Word (Way of Righteous Direction) John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. John 1:11-14 He came to his own, and his own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him,to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Men were inspired by God thru the Holy Ghost to write the Word of God. The Bible is God's words. It is the final authority. The Bible is real. The Koran and The Book of Mormon are false words straight from the pits of hell. Muhammed and Joseph Smith were false prophets and they're burning in hell right now. Joseph Smith was a 33rd Degree Mason we all know how evil the Masons are. The Illuminati flys under the flag of free Masonry. Yes the Illuminati is real. A lot of Hollywood actors, rappers &R&B singers, and professional athletes are part of the Illuminati. They sold their soul for fame and fortune. That's a lot of people on their way to hell unless they renounce Satan and repent of their evil ways and get born again. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11. All these scriptures are from the New King James Bible. Preacha24-7
Word (Way of Righteous Direction) John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. John 1:11-14 He came to his own, and his own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him,to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Men were inspired by God thru the Holy Ghost to write the Word of God. The Bible is God's words. It is the final authority. The Bible is real. The Koran and The Book of Mormon are false words straight from the pits of hell. Muhammed and Joseph Smith were false prophets and they're burning in hell right now. Joseph Smith was a 33rd Degree Mason we all know how evil the Masons are. The Illuminati flys under the flag of free Masonry. Yes the Illuminati is real. A lot of Hollywood actors, rappers &R&B singers, and professional athletes are part of the Illuminati. They sold their soul for fame and fortune. That's a lot of people on their way to hell unless they renounce Satan and repent of their evil ways and get born again. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11. All these scriptures are from the New King James Bible. Preacha24-7