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I believe its biblical and still accurate today. Scripture makes it clear. Its to built up and edify the body of Christ and other things. Before I go Imma give you a part of a Article kinda thing a friend of mine wrote ( he did em for multiple spiritual gifts but your asking about tounges)
Tongues and Interpretation
Tongues are Spirit-directed languages from heaven. They are unknown, even to the one who speaks them. When people speak in tongues the Holy Spirit anoints them and they are spiritually edified (strengthened and built up) through union with God. This edification happens without one ever knowing what is said. Such edification is experienced individually by the one who prays in tongues.
The Holy Spirit edifies the church body of believers much differently. For the entire group of believers to be edified, tongues must be followed with an interpretation (1 Corinthians 14:4). The interpretation of tongues is given in the language of the congregation. It encourages the people and moves them to praise and worship the Lord. The interpretation is not necessarily word for word. Rather it expresses what the Spirit is saying in a way that is clear and understood by all. This is necessary in any translation. For example, Psalm 23:1 is only four words in Hebrew, but it consists of nine words in English in the King James Version and eleven words in the New International Version.
Some say the gift of tongues is not important for it is mentioned last. However, the order in the various lists is not always the same. All the gifts are important.
The apostle Paul did not neglect tongues for he said, “I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you” (1 Corinthians 14:18). In the same chapter he also said, “Do not forbid speaking in tongues” (14:39). Paul asked only that “everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way” in the worship service (14:40).
The whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation emphasizes that God is a speaking God. Perhaps that is one reason why Paul in 1 Corinthians 12 to 14 gives so much attention to tongues, interpretation, and prophecy, with special emphasis on the importance and value of prophecy to edify the believers and touch the hearts of unbelievers. That is what happened when Peter stood up to speak on the Day of Pentecost. He spoke as he was inspired by the Spirit, and the Father in heaven opened their ears to understand what Peter was saying to them in their own language.. Peter didn’t prepare or develop the message beforehand. The Holy Spirit spoke through him as a gift of prophecy. As a result 3,000 were saved and added to the Church.
I believe its biblical and still accurate today. Scripture makes it clear. Its to built up and edify the body of Christ and other things. Before I go Imma give you a part of a Article kinda thing a friend of mine wrote ( he did em for multiple spiritual gifts but your asking about tounges)
Tongues and Interpretation
Tongues are Spirit-directed languages from heaven. They are unknown, even to the one who speaks them. When people speak in tongues the Holy Spirit anoints them and they are spiritually edified (strengthened and built up) through union with God. This edification happens without one ever knowing what is said. Such edification is experienced individually by the one who prays in tongues.
The Holy Spirit edifies the church body of believers much differently. For the entire group of believers to be edified, tongues must be followed with an interpretation (1 Corinthians 14:4). The interpretation of tongues is given in the language of the congregation. It encourages the people and moves them to praise and worship the Lord. The interpretation is not necessarily word for word. Rather it expresses what the Spirit is saying in a way that is clear and understood by all. This is necessary in any translation. For example, Psalm 23:1 is only four words in Hebrew, but it consists of nine words in English in the King James Version and eleven words in the New International Version.
Some say the gift of tongues is not important for it is mentioned last. However, the order in the various lists is not always the same. All the gifts are important.
The apostle Paul did not neglect tongues for he said, “I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you” (1 Corinthians 14:18). In the same chapter he also said, “Do not forbid speaking in tongues” (14:39). Paul asked only that “everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way” in the worship service (14:40).
The whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation emphasizes that God is a speaking God. Perhaps that is one reason why Paul in 1 Corinthians 12 to 14 gives so much attention to tongues, interpretation, and prophecy, with special emphasis on the importance and value of prophecy to edify the believers and touch the hearts of unbelievers. That is what happened when Peter stood up to speak on the Day of Pentecost. He spoke as he was inspired by the Spirit, and the Father in heaven opened their ears to understand what Peter was saying to them in their own language.. Peter didn’t prepare or develop the message beforehand. The Holy Spirit spoke through him as a gift of prophecy. As a result 3,000 were saved and added to the Church.
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That manner of bringing new prophecy has seized at the closing of any more new revelations. The will of God is sealed up till the end of time. No new laws by which we can know God better are required.
Tongues are a revelation as prophecy of God it is not after any man. It was a sign to those who have no faith. Signs are for those who rebel. Scripture, prophecy for those who do have faith.
1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Its is not a matter if a person wants to but can he ?
That manner of bringing new prophecy has seized at the closing of any more new revelations. The will of God is sealed up till the end of time. No new laws by which we can know God better are required.
Tongues are a revelation as prophecy of God it is not after any man. It was a sign to those who have no faith. Signs are for those who rebel. Scripture, prophecy for those who do have faith.
1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Its is not a matter if a person wants to but can he ?
Personally I speak in tongues every day and it does edify ourselves as a Christian. There is a personal devotional side of tongues where your spirit prays to the Lord and you speak "mysteries" to Him.
1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church.
Here we can see that it is our spirit that is praying and the person activates with his will this devotional praying with his spirit or with his mind. verse 15
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
There is also a tongues and interpretation which is used mostly in the church assembly setting and it is as the Spirit of God wills and not us. This type of "tongues" is used to edify or build up the church. 1 Cor. 14:5, 26-27
Tongues plus interpretation of tongues when being used to build up believers other then ourselves is the same as prophecy. Here is what prophecy is supposed to do.
1 Corinthians 14:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.
Tongues is also used as a sign to unbelievers as well.
Tongues are not one-dimensional.
1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church.
Here we can see that it is our spirit that is praying and the person activates with his will this devotional praying with his spirit or with his mind. verse 15
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
There is also a tongues and interpretation which is used mostly in the church assembly setting and it is as the Spirit of God wills and not us. This type of "tongues" is used to edify or build up the church. 1 Cor. 14:5, 26-27
Tongues plus interpretation of tongues when being used to build up believers other then ourselves is the same as prophecy. Here is what prophecy is supposed to do.
1 Corinthians 14:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.
Tongues is also used as a sign to unbelievers as well.
Tongues are not one-dimensional.
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Why is it everybody thinks the Gift of Tongues is the greatest gift from the Holy Spirit?
The Gift of Tongues is the LEAST of the Gifts.
But, the problem is everybody who desires this Gift, desires the limelight that goes with this Gift. Its all about them being the focus, not God. They are in the limelight when they speak, not God.
This is why i desired and receive the gift of Discernment of Spirits.
The Gift of Tongues is the LEAST of the Gifts.
But, the problem is everybody who desires this Gift, desires the limelight that goes with this Gift. Its all about them being the focus, not God. They are in the limelight when they speak, not God.
This is why i desired and receive the gift of Discernment of Spirits.
The bible actually instructs us to want the gift of prophecy over the gift of tongues.
So that's what I asked for, the gift of prophecy.
Just before I asked for all of the gifts of the spirit... lol
The REAL gift of tongues is not self seeking. It's not desirous of vainglory. It's like all of the gifts of the spirit. It is designed for edification of everyone. Including the one using (operating?) it.
So that's what I asked for, the gift of prophecy.
Just before I asked for all of the gifts of the spirit... lol
The REAL gift of tongues is not self seeking. It's not desirous of vainglory. It's like all of the gifts of the spirit. It is designed for edification of everyone. Including the one using (operating?) it.
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 1 Corinthians 14
I would suggest there is no such thing as sign gifts .Not sure where that tradition came from?The two words seem to oppose each other. Signs are for those who believe not.( no faith) Prophecy for the believer.. the faith from God , needed to believe God..
Therefore even when no man can understand us we have a living hope, God can interpret it. He knows all things, even the very thoughts of our heart before they enter our minds.
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But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 1Co 14:1
I think that is about the normal everyday work between the believer and the one that gives us His faith to make it possible to believe to the salvation of our souls.. It is self-edifying because it belongs to God and the person. (a private communication)
God is interceding for us with groaning which cannot be uttered. The tongues I believe would represent our groaning that he turns into our desires seeing he alone knows the hearts of all men when in silent meditation he makes known his request to us.
For instance in our groaning as a tongue, if we ask for what we need not knowing how to pray if our interpreted hope turns out to be hoping for bread, will he give us a stone?
I think it is more one of those closet issues. Pray in secret and he will reward what we need. Can’t always get what we want. And especially with a heart that is deceitful wicked and beyond repair as in who can know its tongue?
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Rom 8:26
I would suggest there is no such thing as sign gifts .Not sure where that tradition came from?The two words seem to oppose each other. Signs are for those who believe not.( no faith) Prophecy for the believer.. the faith from God , needed to believe God..
Therefore even when no man can understand us we have a living hope, God can interpret it. He knows all things, even the very thoughts of our heart before they enter our minds.
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But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 1Co 14:1
I think that is about the normal everyday work between the believer and the one that gives us His faith to make it possible to believe to the salvation of our souls.. It is self-edifying because it belongs to God and the person. (a private communication)
God is interceding for us with groaning which cannot be uttered. The tongues I believe would represent our groaning that he turns into our desires seeing he alone knows the hearts of all men when in silent meditation he makes known his request to us.
For instance in our groaning as a tongue, if we ask for what we need not knowing how to pray if our interpreted hope turns out to be hoping for bread, will he give us a stone?
I think it is more one of those closet issues. Pray in secret and he will reward what we need. Can’t always get what we want. And especially with a heart that is deceitful wicked and beyond repair as in who can know its tongue?
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Rom 8:26
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*hugs all good
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I don't see where ANY0NE is stating tongues is the greatest gift
check the op...it's not about how to put together a child's swing set
it's about tongues
all Christians need discernment...but I don't say oh goody when someone says they have this gift or that gift
I prefer to use discernment and see how it goes...further, anybody can say anything on a forum
the gifts are supposed to be for the building up of the body of Christ...ie believers
you know, it just really irritates me to read where you state everybody who desires to speak in tongues desires the limelight that goes with that gift
what limelight?
there is no limelight associated with speaking in tongues whatsoever...
sometimes all you want to do when you read stuff like the above is shake your head and go swimming or something
check the op...it's not about how to put together a child's swing set
it's about tongues
all Christians need discernment...but I don't say oh goody when someone says they have this gift or that gift
I prefer to use discernment and see how it goes...further, anybody can say anything on a forum
the gifts are supposed to be for the building up of the body of Christ...ie believers
you know, it just really irritates me to read where you state everybody who desires to speak in tongues desires the limelight that goes with that gift
what limelight?
there is no limelight associated with speaking in tongues whatsoever...
sometimes all you want to do when you read stuff like the above is shake your head and go swimming or something
Tongues as described in the NT are not the tongues folks today claim to speak.
If they do not align with scripture they are not from God.
If you exchange the revelation of God for a revelation of your own making you treasure up for yourself the wrath of God.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
For the cause of Christ
Roger
If they do not align with scripture they are not from God.
If you exchange the revelation of God for a revelation of your own making you treasure up for yourself the wrath of God.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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How often are tongues spoken in churches with no interpreter? How often are they spoken to big-up the speaker? How often are they spoken solely for the purpose of praising God? Finally, how often are they spoken to make someone else feel they lack something you have?
I wonder if The Holy Spirit approves...
I wonder if The Holy Spirit approves...
I believe they still exist today, although I've never been exposed to it personally or corporately. As was mentioned before, there is an order to speaking and if that order isn't present, I don't think it's legitimate.
I also know I've never been lacking in my relationship with God by not speaking in tongues. To each one are given the appropriate gifts they need.
I also know I've never been lacking in my relationship with God by not speaking in tongues. To each one are given the appropriate gifts they need.