How to interpret the Bible correctly ?

[wincam]

after my numerous visits to bible study groups I have only finally noticed that the major problem with supposed bible is that it is erroneously presumed and accepted that what is being read and supposedly studied applies to us whereas our study/studies should at a very early stage have revealed that they in most cases do not - here is a case in point that I ask for an answer and what the correct answer is and the conclusions that necessarily follow - I refer to Jn.14:17 and ask are we the world or the you referred to here - your comments - wincam

 

[Kosie]

wincam as you get to spend time with God in the Bible, you will notice EVERYTHING fits together. The Bible makes everything come to the light and then you SEE what God teach. Here is something you can know from a few verses.

God ssays in john 1 .. in the beginning was the word and the word was with Gods and the Word was God. And then He says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Then Jesus says He is the Word. and He says He is the Truth, and He asks the Father to sanctify us in HIS Truth His Word is Truth. So the Words of God is pretty special.

Now I know if God reveals scripture to you any scripture, and he also reveals that scripture to me, we will be 100% in agreement. Why? God wants it that way. God wants unity and oneness. If the Holy Spirit is in a Bible Study, 5000 men will be of one mind and one soul and one faith.

I believe if God is blessing a study then there will be perfect oneness. John 17. God is not a God of diorder or two minds. and the Bible reveals God.

 

[wincam]

Kosie - how is it then that after all these centuries of claimed revelations by God and inspiration by the HS the results and fruits are division, disunity,divergence, distrust, differences, contradictions, confusion and chaos and much else and worse also - all attributed to God and the HS - this is blasphemy and the unforgiveable sin as unrepented - wincam

 

[wincam]

Kosie - how is it then that after all these centuries of claimed revelations by God and inspiration by the HS the results and fruits are division, disunity,divergence, distrust, differences, contradictions, confusion and chaos and much else and worse also - all attributed to God and the HS - this is blasphemy and the unforgiveable sin as unrepented - wincam

anyone else care to comment - wincam

 

[Ahwatukee]

Kosie - how is it then that after all these centuries of claimed revelations by God and inspiration by the HS the results and fruits are division, disunity,divergence, distrust, differences, contradictions, confusion and chaos and much else and worse also - all attributed to God and the HS - this is blasphemy and the unforgiveable sin as unrepented - wincam

Hello wincam, Kosie,

If I may, the answer to your question, is that we are living in the last days, just before the beginning of God's wrath, where all of the conditions that you mention above have been prophesied about.

"For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."

"But there were also false prophets among the people, as there will be false teachers among you also, who will stealthily introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master having bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[Dan58]

I refer to Jn.14:17 and ask are we the world or the you referred to here - your comments - wincam

Once a person has received and accepted the Spirit of Truth, they are no longer of this world. Being of this world just refers to those who are content with the finite nature of their physical existence, and don't see the everlasting promise in Christ. In baptism we live for the spirit and die to the world/flesh.

Kosie - how is it then that after all these centuries of claimed revelations by God and inspiration by the HS the results and fruits are division, disunity,divergence, distrust, differences, contradictions, confusion and chaos and much else and worse also - all attributed to God and the HS - this is blasphemy and the unforgiveable sin as unrepented - wincam

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" (1 Corinthians 14:33). We aren't confused by His simple Truth, but just as Eve said; "The serpent beguiled me" (Genesis 3:13). Not only does the adversary create confusion, but as with the Pharisees, we often get caught up in the traditions of men, and confound ourselves in our own preconceptions.

 

[Kosie]

Kosie - how is it then that after all these centuries of claimed revelations by God and inspiration by the HS the results and fruits are division, disunity,divergence, distrust, differences, contradictions, confusion and chaos and much else and worse also - all attributed to God and the HS - this is blasphemy and the unforgiveable sin as unrepented - wincam

Wincam you compare what I said to sinning groups of people all wanting to serve God their own way to the oneness of the groups in the Bible. You will find very few people that agrees completely with the Word. Those are the ones that does not have opinions but revelations. Let me show you one piece of Scripture you can use to compare any church with... If trhis is not in a bible study group or a church, RUN!!!! Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul:

Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

One of the signs of FALSE christs is the lack of one mind and one mouth or teaching. Confusion is of the devil and his teachers..

 

[Kosie]

Wincam look at how one God's people are. God will NEVER not make them PERFECTLY ONE. This is what Jesus asked Father to do to EVERY group and individual who HE joins to His church/bible study/ house church / cell group.
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

There will be MANY deceived and many believing the false teachers, please webcam, study your Bible, know the truth and you will be FREE of them. Everyone that agrees with God and His word is made free from all evil, and they agree 100% because they know the ONLY TRUTH THERE IS!

 

[posthuman]

Kosie - how is it then that after all these centuries of claimed revelations by God and inspiration by the HS the results and fruits are division, disunity,divergence, distrust, differences, contradictions, confusion and chaos and much else and worse also - all attributed to God and the HS - this is blasphemy and the unforgiveable sin as unrepented - wincam

because 1 Corinthians 11:19 is also written.

people ((is it especially Americans?)) have a tendency to look at the whole of the people in the world that identify themselves as 'christian' not because of Christ, but because of a cultural religiosity, and point at all their worldliness & say "hah! Christians are not legit and are completely divided on every single issue"
but the wheat and tares have grown together.
doesn't the same Bible say that there will be many false teachers?

what we have is the saints, surrounded by great crowds of the deceived and the deceivers.
some 50% of preachers in America do not have a Biblical worldview.
so what do you figure that means about their congregations?
large swaths of congregations do not even know the basics of salvation, and great numbers of so-called 'christians' don't believe half of the things plainly written in the Bible.
so many that call themselves by this name have no idea what is actually written in the book.

yes, the Book says there will be many false teachers.
and there have been.
and there are.
you are talking about the result of that.

 

[garee]

after my numerous visits to bible study groups I have only finally noticed that the major problem with supposed bible is that it is erroneously presumed and accepted that what is being read and supposedly studied applies to us whereas our study/studies should at a very early stage have revealed that they in most cases do not - here is a case in point that I ask for an answer and what the correct answer is and the conclusions that necessarily follow - I refer to Jn.14:17 and ask are we the world or the you referred to here - your comments - wincam

From my experiences bible studies in general are about studying the interpretations of men that are connected to the denomination they are a part of.

Different schools for different conclusions that support the whole of each sect.

In that sense they could be seeking the approval of men. We can learn about God from men but they are not the source of faith(the unseen) by which we can believe God, not seen.

Studying by rightly dividing as to seeking the approval of God on a person level comes by looking how we can believe God This is by how do we hear his voice as a source of His faith called the hearing of faith and this is not our own heart which he calls desperately wicked and beyond repair as in who could know it?

God is greater than our heart as the seat of our own personal understanding, he knows the intentions of it .

Therefore what we need is ears to hear him as another source of understanding , not of our own selves. Studying as to how we can hear God seeing he uses different manners to reveal himself and hide from those who do not have ears he will lead us as to how we can seek His approval and not the approval of each other as if we were in the place of the Holy Spirit.

Thomas was not walking by a faith that comes from hearing God. He was walking by sight in respect to himself, the natural inclinations that come from one’s own heart .

Thomas was given an outward witness but it was not walking by faith , Christ seized that opportunity to teach him and therefore us how he can hear God according to the faith of God walking by sight, he called Thomas faithless.

Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: “blessed are they that have not seen”, and yet have believed.And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: Joh 20:27
That sign of walking by sight showed rebellion.(no blessing)

Again i would suggest the key is how we hear Him and not men or our own understanding.

Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

 

[Adstar]

after my numerous visits to bible study groups I have only finally noticed that the major problem with supposed bible is that it is erroneously presumed and accepted that what is being read and supposedly studied applies to us whereas our study/studies should at a very early stage have revealed that they in most cases do not - here is a case in point that I ask for an answer and what the correct answer is and the conclusions that necessarily follow - I refer to Jn.14:17 and ask are we the world or the you referred to here - your comments - wincam

The verse is referring to the Holy Spirit.. He came into the Apostles on the Day of Pentecost and gave them understanding of the message of Jesus.. The Indwelling of the Holy Spirit is fundamental to the assured understanding of the Bible..

If one is the ""You"" then one is an indwelled Christian..
If one is the ""World"" Then one is not saved..

 

[FreeNChrist]

after my numerous visits to bible study groups I have only finally noticed that the major problem with supposed bible is that it is erroneously presumed and accepted that what is being read and supposedly studied applies to us whereas our study/studies should at a very early stage have revealed that they in most cases do not - here is a case in point that I ask for an answer and what the correct answer is and the conclusions that necessarily follow - I refer to Jn.14:17 and ask are we the world or the you referred to here - your comments - wincam

Thats right. Many of the problems and disagreements among Christians are caused by applying unto Christians what doesn't apply. To really understand scripture and how it applies or doesn't apply to us it needs to be seen through the cross. And IMHO that is exactly what the Holy Spirit's illumination does. He illuminates scripture to allow us to see scripture in light of the cross and all that Jesus has accomplished through it.

 

[Adstar]

Kosie - how is it then that after all these centuries of claimed revelations by God and inspiration by the HS the results and fruits are division, disunity,divergence, distrust, differences, contradictions, confusion and chaos and much else and worse also - all attributed to God and the HS - this is blasphemy and the unforgiveable sin as unrepented - wincam

Simple ... Because not everyone who identifies as a Christian is actually Indwelled by the Holy Spirit..

This is not the unforgivable sin.. That is blasphemy specifically of the Holy Spirit..

 

[garee]

Kosie - how is it then that after all these centuries of claimed revelations by God and inspiration by the HS the results and fruits are division, disunity,divergence, distrust, differences, contradictions, confusion and chaos and much else and worse also - all attributed to God and the HS - this is blasphemy and the unforgiveable sin as unrepented - wincam

No one attributes the division to God save those who think we measure faith by men.

Apostolic succession comes to mind .' we call no man on earth Holy Father, Holy Papa, the Holy See . one is our infallible teacher, one is our father in heaven

Assuming we could have the faith of Christ that comes from hearing God (not sen) in respect to the fathers was Christ nemesis .He said the most sarcastic (to tear at the flesh) saying to them.

Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


Studying to see how Christ uses the law of the father can benefit I believe.

if you are trusting the fathers according to their written laws you most likely will not.

Below is a law of the Catholic fathers, as it is written..... it informs us as a commandment of men coming from a oral tradition thereof. .

law of the fathers.....One common source. . .

verse #80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."[SUP]40[/SUP] Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".[SUP]41[/SUP]

 

[Willie-T]

You can learn tons by reading people you don't agree with. You really only smooth over your setting concrete by reading those with which you completely align.

 

[Vdp]

John 14:17
[SUP]17 [/SUP]that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Now, what exactly is the Spirit of Truth? The Spirit of Truth is the Holy Spirit.

The World is all those who do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The 'you' is in reference to the Disciples.

Today the 'you' is now in reference to those who have received Salvation and have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

The 'world' is still all those who walk in darkness because they have not accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior and do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[wincam]

From my experiences bible studies in general are about studying the interpretations of men that are connected to the denomination they are a part of.

Different schools for different conclusions that support the whole of each sect.

In that sense they could be seeking the approval of men. We can learn about God from men but they are not the source of faith(the unseen) by which we can believe God, not seen.

Studying by rightly dividing as to seeking the approval of God on a person level comes by looking how we can believe God This is by how do we hear his voice as a source of His faith called the hearing of faith and this is not our own heart which he calls desperately wicked and beyond repair as in who could know it?

God is greater than our heart as the seat of our own personal understanding, he knows the intentions of it .

Therefore what we need is ears to hear him as another source of understanding , not of our own selves. Studying as to how we can hear God seeing he uses different manners to reveal himself and hide from those who do not have ears he will lead us as to how we can seek His approval and not the approval of each other as if we were in the place of the Holy Spirit.

Thomas was not walking by a faith that comes from hearing God. He was walking by sight in respect to himself, the natural inclinations that come from one’s own heart .

Thomas was given an outward witness but it was not walking by faith , Christ seized that opportunity to teach him and therefore us how he can hear God according to the faith of God walking by sight, he called Thomas faithless.

Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: “blessed are they that have not seen”, and yet have believed.And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: Joh 20:27
That sign of walking by sight showed rebellion.(no blessing)

Again i would suggest the key is how we hear Him and not men or our own understanding.

Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

yes of course you would regard what you have churned out as great stuff but is it not exactly what most others also do and claim and it seems there just are no really false teachers, false prophets etc and if by their fruits we are to know them, look around and see for yourself = division, disunity, confusion, chaos etc, etc, ad infinitum and ad absurdum - wincam

 

[Grandpa]

You can learn tons by reading people you don't agree with. You really only smooth over your setting concrete by reading those with which you completely align.

I've tried reading people who I don't agree with.

It's hard to get through when you know they are wrong in their assessments. It starts feeling like a waste of time.

Take the Apocrypha for instance. A lot of it remains interesting because it is restating things from other places kind of in different words (Like the book of Wisdom). Some of it just seems like un-inspired stories pretending to be scripture. I'm not 100% sure how I could come to that conclusion based on my first reading of it. I attribute it to the Holy Spirit to be able to tell the difference. And maybe just simple comparison skills. Probably mostly the Holy Spirit.

What we read must relate to our experiences in some way in order to be relevant to us, I think.

 

[resurrection33]

after my numerous visits to bible study groups I have only finally noticed that the major problem with supposed bible is that it is erroneously presumed and accepted that what is being read and supposedly studied applies to us whereas our study/studies should at a very early stage have revealed that they in most cases do not - here is a case in point that I ask for an answer and what the correct answer is and the conclusions that necessarily follow - I refer to Jn.14:17 and ask are we the world or the you referred to here - your comments - wincam

None of us is perfect - we all still have some "world" in us. At the same time, we are here and listening. That suggests to me we are part of the "you."

 

[wincam]

I've tried reading people who I don't agree with.

It's hard to get through when you know they are wrong in their assessments. It starts feeling like a waste of time.

Take the Apocrypha for instance. A lot of it remains interesting because it is restating things from other places kind of in different words (Like the book of Wisdom). Some of it just seems like un-inspired stories pretending to be scripture. I'm not 100% sure how I could come to that conclusion based on my first reading of it. I attribute it to the Holy Spirit to be able to tell the difference. And maybe just simple comparison skills. Probably mostly the Holy Spirit.

What we read must relate to our experiences in some way in order to be relevant to us, I think.

tread carefully and prayerfully and be careful you are not attributing your own rubbish and nonsense to the HS - wincam