Apostle Paul On Tongues In 1 Corinthians

DP · Aug 8, 2016

Diversities of tongues is the subject by Apostle Paul when he spoke of tongues in 1 Corinthians 12 thru 14. Notice the bold red phrases below...

1 Cor 12:7-11
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
KJV

1 Cor 12:28-30
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
KJV

Paul is NOT speaking of some gibberish tongue idea there at all. He is speaking of the various known languages of the world.

When he is speaking about interpretation of tongues, he is speaking of those who can interpret different languages. This was especially manifested in the Christian west after Christian institutions of learning were established which served as teaching tools for those gifted by The Holy Spirit with a talent for learning languages. It was said that the British actor Peter Ustinov was fluent in twelve languages. Some have this gift, just as some have a gift for teaching or knowledge (being scholars, as the first universities in the Christian west were established by the Christian Church.)

This means in 1 Corinthians, Paul was not speaking of the cloven tongue of Pentecost, nor some gibberish tongue that no one can understand. He was talking about different languages of the world...

1 Cor 13:8
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail;whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
KJV

In that above verse, Paul is speaking of how love (charity) will never fail or end, but all those other things of this present world will have an end. The idea of tongues there once again is about known languages of the world. We can be certain he is not speaking of the cloven tongue of Pentecost, because per Zechariah in the OT, God with His future Kingdom is going to return to man the one tongue spoke by all nations prior to the tower of Babel event.

1 Cor 14:18
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
KJV

When Paul said that, he was not talking of any idea of his speaking an unknown tongue more often than anyone else. He was referring to known languages of the world. Paul spoke several languages, and that's the tongues he was referring to. So he was not... teaching about some unknown tongue there in 1 Corinthians.

Also... you can strike out that word "unknown" there in the KJV Bible, for it is not in the Greek NT manuscripts the KJV translators used. They ADDED that word "unknown" in the phrase "unknown tongue".

Grace777x70 · Aug 8, 2016

1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands,
but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church.

1 Corinthians 14:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.

1 Corinthians 14:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.

1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

( The person's spirit is praying in tongues here - not his mind which would be in a "known" language )

[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

( See, the two kinds of praying - one with the spirit of a person - the other with the mind - which would be a "known" language )

1 Corinthians 14:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

It's very clear that Paul is talking about a supernatural language that the speaker does not know that the Holy Spirit gives utterance to our spirit to speak mysteries to our Father and Lord.

I am always amazed at the lengths some go to take out the supernatural aspect of the Holy Spirit in our lives and we end up living on our own human reasoning. Forbid not to speak in tongues.

Tongues will cease when knowledge vanishes away. 1 Cor 13:8

1 Corinthians 14:39 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.

( why in the world would they forbid someone from speaking a language they know with their own mind? )

Yonah · Aug 8, 2016

This gift was given to people who did Not speak in that language, sometimes they spoke in there own language, but it was heard by others in theirs, other times the one teaching was given the language they didn't previously know, I have seen this manifest in both ways, however the mistake is when people speak in an unknown language in a public assembly, and nobody understands, this is not edidying to anyone, our father is a God of order and nothing is done for vainglory, or for nothing, if we do speak in an unknown tongue without an interpreter, in our prayer closet, then well , but in a public setting there should always be an interpreter, otherwise its of no value and only serves to bring confusion, despite what many may think, Paul teaches this very specifically in this chapter as well.

p_rehbein · Aug 8, 2016

Just a wee point...........the Focus in Chapter 12, is not simply on tongues, it is concerning the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. All of them. Just saying.......as for 13 and 14, will have to reread them again.

Not commenting on the content of the OP.........I'm quite sure you will get enough commentary to sate even the most hungry of us.......

hornetguy · Aug 8, 2016

Interesting "take" on that...

Can you clarify what "cloven" tongues are? The only reference I remember was the spirit coming down like cloven tongues of fire... how does that relate to spoken tongues?

Also, Paul mentions two different kinds of tongues there...

are the "angelic" tongues the ones you are calling "cloven"?

Grace777x70 · Aug 8, 2016

The word "cloven" in King Jimmie speech just means "dividing" or "distributing". Here is the same Greek word used.

Luke 22:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

Acts 2:45 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] And sold their possessions and goods, and parted themto all men, as every man had need.

DP · Aug 8, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Those verses I quoted reveals the idea of tongues (known languages) Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians.

If you spoke a prayer in Latin by just saying the words when you don't even know the language, you would be speaking in your spirit to God only, because the Latin words would be incomprehensible to you. But God would KNOW what was said, because He knows how we speak and hear, understanding all languages.

If you were the only one among a group that spoke Latin, again you would be speaking to God only, because He'd be the only one to understand you. But if one other person in the congregation spoke Latin also, that one could interpret for the rest of the group. And that's exactly how things were in Europe for centuries in the Catholic Church with priests saying Mass in Latin while the majority of the people didn't understand Latin, nor have a means to learn what was said.

Acts 10:44-46
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
KJV

What did Peter hear them speak? gibberish no one can understand? No.

Peter heard them "magnify God". That's how the cloven tongue manifested on Pentecost also, everyone present heard about "the wonderful works of God" in the dialect of their own language of birth (Acts 2).

DP · Aug 8, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

The idea of "cloven" in Acts 2 is about HOW it went out to the multitude made up from different countries and languages.

When the disciples spoke normally, it went out 'cloven' to the peoples, just like what God did to the one tongue at the tower of Babel.

I really find it difficult that you guys don't follow your Bible enough to remember about God 'dividing' the one tongue at the tower of Babel event per Genesis. Amazing. Why don't you guys just put your Bibles on a shelf somewhere and let them collect dust, if you're not going to read them?

Grace777x70 · Aug 8, 2016

DP said:

Those verses I quoted reveals the idea of tongues (known languages) Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians.

If you spoke a prayer in Latin by just saying the words when you don't even know the language, you would be speaking in your spirit to God only, because the Latin words would be incomprehensible to you. But God would KNOW what was said, because He knows how we speak and hear, understanding all languages.

If you were the only one among a group that spoke Latin, again you would be speaking to God only, because He'd be the only one to understand you. But if one other person in the congregation spoke Latin also, that one could interpret for the rest of the group. And that's exactly how things were in Europe for centuries in the Catholic Church with priests saying Mass in Latin while the majority of the people didn't understand Latin, nor have a means to learn what was said.

Acts 10:44-46
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
KJV

What did Peter hear them speak? gibberish no one can understand? No.

Peter heard them "magnify God". That's how the cloven tongue manifested on Pentecost also, everyone present heard about "the wonderful works of God" in the dialect of their own language of birth (Acts 2).

That is one reasoning our minds can come up with.

What about this: I have heard others speaking in tongues as well as myself and in between speaking in tongues I would say " Father I praise you for all your wondrous works. Be glorified in all the earth!"

To the another person listening he would say.." I hear him speaking in tongues and he is glorifying and magnifying God".

DP · Aug 8, 2016

hornetguy said:

They don't know.

See Genesis 11...

Gen 11:1
11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
KJV

Gen 11:7
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
KJV

Prior to the tower of Babel event, all peoples spoke one language. The cloven tongue of Pentecost is most likely that original language everyone spoke and understood prior to the tower of Babel event. God divided it into the many languages of today, but He's going to eventually bring that one language back...

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

That is about the final day of this present world. God is going to return to all peoples the one language all spoke before the Babel event. The word Babel means 'confusion', and that exactly is what the dividing of the one tongue into many languages did.

Grace777x70 · Aug 8, 2016

DP said:

LOL..people read the scriptures all the time - they just don't usually come up with strange things - this doesn't mean that they don't read their bibles.

The scriptures doesn't say that "when the disciples spoke normally, the tongues went out "cloven to the peoples". It says that it sat on each of them filled with the Holy Spirit as He "distributed" the tongues to the 120.

Acts 2:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Cloven just means "to divide" and "to distribute". The Holy Spirit simply distributed various tongues to the people in the upper room not to the people listening as they just heard what ever language they themselves understood from their different nations.

The tower of Babel thing - the Hebrew word is "confused" or "mixed up" - not "divide" as in "cloven". KJV says "confound"..it is not "dividing" or "distributing".

Genesis 11:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth.

UnderGrace · Aug 8, 2016

The word spirit here in Greek is which also means breath. He is taking about language so in context he is using it to mean breath.

This is the direct relationship to the context of the passage where he talking about speaking and language.

I believe it was you who said understand in Context so you do not get conned. ( I know you said it better)

When he is talking about spiritual it is translated as spiritual

pneuma: wind, spirit

Original Word: πνεῦμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: pneuma
Phonetic Spelling: (pnyoo'-mah)
Short Definition: wind, breath, spirit

Definition: wind, breath, spirit.

Grace777x70 said:

DP · Aug 8, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

If someone speaks and it ain't gibberish, but instead is understood by all present, then THAT... is a true example of the 'cloven' tongue of Pentecost per Acts 2.

I know you guys aren't taught the connection of the cloven tongue of Pentecost with the one tongue of Gen.11 that all nations spoke before God divided it into the many languages of today, but you should be.

And the other thing you guys should have been taught and heeded is what our Lord Jesus revealed about the tribulation time when some of us are going to be delivered up to councils and the synogogue of Satan to give a Testimony for Him, and to not premeditate what we will say, but what we say in that hour will be The Holy Spirit speaking through us (Mark 13). THAT... is the main event for the cloven tongue of Pentecost. On Pentecost day, that was only an example for the event that's to occur at the end of this world immediately prior to Jesus's 2nd coming to gather us, which is why Peter quoted from Joel 2.

But you guys that claim to speak the cloven tongue instead want to 'fly away' to the sky to skip the great trib altogether, so how can the tongue you claim to speak be the true cloven tongue when you don't even know what it's for at the very end of the trib???

Grace777x70 · Aug 8, 2016

UnderGrace said:

That's a good try but the reality is that no place in the New testament is "pneuma" translated as breath. It is without a doubt talking about our spirit praying.

Does our breath pray or do we as a person pray? We are a spirit, we have a soul and we live in a body. We are made in the likeness of God who is a Spirit - Jesus said.

The truth is our spirit within us prays and we also pray with our mind too. We pray with our minds using words too - is that also a breath happening?

We definitely pray with our spirit and with our mind Paul says and both are done by "speaking".

Grace777x70 · Aug 8, 2016

DP said:

If someone speaks and it ain't gibberish, but instead is understood by all present, then THAT... is a true example of the 'cloven' tongue of Pentecost per Acts 2.

I know you guys aren't taught the connection of the cloven tongue of Pentecost with the one tongue of Gen.11 that all nations spoke before God divided it into the many languages of today, but you should be.

And the other thing you guys should have been taught and heeded is what our Lord Jesus revealed about the tribulation time when some of us are going to be delivered up to councils and the synogogue of Satan to give a Testimony for Him, and to not premeditate what we will say, but what we say in that hour will be The Holy Spirit speaking through us (Mark 13). THAT... is the main event for the cloven tongue of Pentecost. On Pentecost day, that was only an example for the event that's to occur at the end of this world immediately prior to Jesus's 2nd coming to gather us, which is why Peter quoted from Joel 2.

But you guys that claim to speak the cloven tongue instead want to 'fly away' to the sky to skip the great trib altogether, so how can the tongue you claim to speak be the true cloven tongue when you don't even know what it's for at the very end of the trib???

okie dokie...

( But just for the record - I have no established end time beliefs. The Lord just hasn't made it a priority with me yet. I could care less what happens as I know whatever happens He is going to be with me and that's all I need to know now )

garee · Aug 8, 2016

hornetguy said:

The tongues of men and angels is differentiated by angels who are not subject to salvation having no understanding of the gospel and men created in the image of God who are given the faith to believe to the salvation of the soul.

The cloven is the dividing, it is attributed as the work of the Holy Spirit who divides the interpretations and in the case of Pentecost into many divisions as different tongues. Fire as part of description shows it is God judgement that he has over the souls of men.

The verse below I believe helps give tongues of cloven “purifying fire” meaning.

Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. 1Ki 18:39

garee · Aug 8, 2016

If you don’t know Latin you cannot speak Latin .Its not the speaking but the hearing of faith .God knows our thoughts before we speak them.

Why would he have a person speak a language they did not know in the first place? Especially one that is dead. He reveals mysteries not make more without understandings.

That would be different at least you would know what you are requesting.

LaurenTM · Aug 8, 2016

and people used to think the earth was flat until they had a better view from space (well also the round horizon from high peaks also kind of clues you in, but I digress)

same with tongues

use em...you have them...don't have them..no one else should

I don't know, but I don't go around trying to prove that what I don't have , no one else has either..that is a very myopic approach

I will say this, and I can see people fuming at me from here, but here goes

I can always tell when someone is spirit filled and speaks in tongues etc and I can always tell when they want nothing to do with it

you cannot disprove tongues ...you can only talk yourself into not believing

now some people will see the above as me being full of myself,but actually no, not at all

but that is often the impression those who do not speak in tongues will say they get from those of us who do speak in tongues

I suppose this op was written to respond to the last op on tongues?

off to join the flat earth society

DP · Aug 8, 2016

LaurenTM said:

And how does any of that align with The Word of God as written? You are only giving just an opinion, something we all have here. I have one too, but my aim is more about showing from God's Holy Writ what He says about it, and thus put men's doctrines to rest. Personal opinions are how men's doctrines tend to creep in the easiest.

DP · Aug 8, 2016

garee said:

Not really true. One can speak words of another language just by hearing others, while not having a clue as to what it means. Paul is simply giving an example about speaking without understanding vs speaking with understanding.

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