I would'nt say there were other 'nations' with Israel when they left Egypt but there was a 'mixed multitude'....single Individuals who had joined themselves with them Ex 12v38. But it had to be a 'close association' for the stranger/foreigner/non-Israelite to come under the same law as one 'home-born....not just anybody who was with them v45-49.
House of Judah and/or House of Israel?
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Not only is Israel scattered, they have also lost their identity. All that are known today are JEWS in the land of Israel. Where is the 'house of Israel ? They are serving (still) other gods, as it says in 2Kgs 17. It is no wonder they can not understand the God of Israel ! They have subscribed to Baal. I know....I have been one of the deceived.
The tribes that revolted against King Rehoboam’s burdensome regime.
The 10 northern tribes seceded, they selected Jeroboam as their king,
moved their capital from Jerusalem to Samaria and retained “Israel” as
their namesake. The two southern tribes, headquartered in Jerusalem,
became known as Judah.
During Shalmaneser’s three-year siege of Samaria in the eighth century b.c.,
the Assyrians uprooted the Israelites from their homeland and deported them
as slaves into the land of Assyria, then located between the Euphrates River
and the southern shores of the Caspian Sea ( 2 Kings 17:23-24).
After this event, many historians and scholars lose track of the Israelites. But they
didn’t disappear. They just lost their identity, as Jesus plainly confirmed a full eight
centuries later. As a direct descendant of King David, of the tribe of Judah,
Jesus had been born in a Jewish colony that was subordinate to the Roman Empire.
“He came unto his own,” it says in John 1:11, “and his own received him not.”
The Jews rejected Jesus and so He turned to the Gentiles instead, [some assume].
But he didn’t! Notice what Jesus said to a Gentile woman in Matthew 15:24:
“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”
Jesus said His mission was to reach the house of Israel (not the house of Judah)
and that Israel’s identity (obviously not Judah’s) had become lost.
The Jews did not lose there idenifing mark the Sabbaths, but Isreal had.
Christ’s life was cut short soon after He made that statement—was that mission fulfilled?
Matthew 10:5-6. In that account, Jesus commanded His disciples not to preach the gospel
in Gentile regions (Paul would take care of that—see Acts 18:6), but to go instead to
the “lost sheep” of the house of Israel.
In Jesus’s stead, all the original apostles were sent to the lost sheep of Israel.
This is why, after Acts 11, you read very little about the original 12.
Once they went to the lost sheep of Israel, history lost sight of them.
The Apostle James introduced his epistle: “James, a servant of God and of the
Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”
James didn’t even address the Gentiles. Nor is his letter exclusively directed at
the house of Judah. His target audience was primarily the tribes of Israel that had
been “scattered abroad” during their Assyrian captivity eight centuries earlier!
God could have easily inspired James to include more details about the whereabouts
of the lost sheep. But maybe He didn’t want their identity revealed yet. So the book
of James ends without any closing salutations about the people he was writing to.
It’s one of just three New Testament books (the others are Acts and 3 John)
that abruptly finishes without so much as an “Amen”!
In looking at the content of James, however, there is one important clue that sheds light on the location of the lost sheep during the first century. It’s in James 4:1: “From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?” While this passage has a spiritual application that applies to God’s people today, in James’s day, he was speaking about literal wars that were raging in the areas where Israelites had been scattered.
James wrote his book around a.d. 60, about 10 years before the Roman Empire sacked Jerusalem. It was a relatively peaceful time in the world, with Rome towering above regional powers. At the time, Rome was engaged in just two major skirmishes—one in Britain and the other in Parthia, located around the southern shores of the Caspian Sea!
These were the wars going on “among” the Israelites James addressed.
Maybe evidence as to Israel’s whereabouts?
Parthia has an intriguing history. They suddenly appeared around the Caspian shores soon after the people of Israel had been exiled there as slaves in the eighth century b.c. According to historian George Rawlinson, the meaning of the name Parthia is “exile.”
In fact, these exiles who rose to power and prominence in the land of Parthia around 250 b.c. were none other than the “lost” tribes of Israel! They remained in the land of their captivity until the early part of the third century a.d., when the Persians drove them northwest into what is Europe today.
Josephus, the prominent first-century Jewish historian, was well aware of Israel’s settlement into the land of Parthia. In his history about the days of Ezra and the construction of the second temple, Josephus declared, “But then the entire body of the people of Israel [the lost sheep] remained in that country [they never returned to Samaria]; wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the 10 tribes are beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.”
Jesus commanded Peter, James, John and the rest of His disciples to go to these “lost sheep.”
If you have a collection of maps at the back of your Bible, look at the one that illustrates
Paul’s territory. He was the apostle in charge of the Gentile region. His area basically covers
northern Palestine and every region that touches the northern border of the Mediterranean Sea,
including what is today southern Turkey, Greece and Italy. He also pastored congregations on
the islands of Malta, Crete and Cyprus. And in Romans 15:24, Paul said he intended to visit Spain as well.
That is a huge territory! But not as large as the regions the “lost sheep” of Israel had been
scattered into. For those territories, remember, had been reserved for the original 12.
And there was very little territorial overlap, as Paul confirmed in Romans 15:20.
Paul worked in his assigned territory—and the other apostles worked in theirs.
Now consider Peter’s assigned territory. One of his regions, judging by the opening remarks
in his first epistle, was northern Turkey. “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers
scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.” Peter didn’t use the
word “strangers” in the sense that they were Gentiles. It comes from a Greek word that
means resident foreigner or alien.
Peter was fulfilling his Christ-given commission. He was addressing Israelite “strangers”
who were dwelling in Gentile lands. And where? Throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia,
Asia and Bithynia. Whereas Paul was expressly forbidden to enter the northern half Turkey
(Acts 16:6-7), Peter was commanded to reach the multitude of “lost sheep” that had been
scattered in that area.
Just as there was an immense multitude of “lost sheep” to be reached beyond the Euphrates
in the land of Parthia, so there was another multitude—one that Josephus was unaware of
—that had migrated northwest of Samaria into the region of northern Turkey.
And these are the territories we can pinpoint after examining just two epistles, one of them
written by one of the original 12 disciples.
How far the others must have gone, And what about the other war that was raging in Britain
at the time James wrote his epistle? Could it be that some of the apostles made it as far as
the British Isles?
Is now the time that God has chosen to reveal Israel’s true identity ?
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Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God,
and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.
The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have
performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in
the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
The 10 northern tribes seceded, they selected Jeroboam as their king,
moved their capital from Jerusalem to Samaria and retained “Israel” as
their namesake. The two southern tribes, headquartered in Jerusalem,
became known as Judah.
During Shalmaneser’s three-year siege of Samaria in the eighth century b.c.,
the Assyrians uprooted the Israelites from their homeland and deported them
as slaves into the land of Assyria, then located between the Euphrates River
and the southern shores of the Caspian Sea ( 2 Kings 17:23-24).
After this event, many historians and scholars lose track of the Israelites. But they
didn’t disappear. They just lost their identity, as Jesus plainly confirmed a full eight
centuries later. As a direct descendant of King David, of the tribe of Judah,
Jesus had been born in a Jewish colony that was subordinate to the Roman Empire.
“He came unto his own,” it says in John 1:11, “and his own received him not.”
The Jews rejected Jesus and so He turned to the Gentiles instead, [some assume].
But he didn’t! Notice what Jesus said to a Gentile woman in Matthew 15:24:
“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”
Jesus said His mission was to reach the house of Israel (not the house of Judah)
and that Israel’s identity (obviously not Judah’s) had become lost.
The Jews did not lose there idenifing mark the Sabbaths, but Isreal had.
Christ’s life was cut short soon after He made that statement—was that mission fulfilled?
Matthew 10:5-6. In that account, Jesus commanded His disciples not to preach the gospel
in Gentile regions (Paul would take care of that—see Acts 18:6), but to go instead to
the “lost sheep” of the house of Israel.
In Jesus’s stead, all the original apostles were sent to the lost sheep of Israel.
This is why, after Acts 11, you read very little about the original 12.
Once they went to the lost sheep of Israel, history lost sight of them.
The Apostle James introduced his epistle: “James, a servant of God and of the
Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”
James didn’t even address the Gentiles. Nor is his letter exclusively directed at
the house of Judah. His target audience was primarily the tribes of Israel that had
been “scattered abroad” during their Assyrian captivity eight centuries earlier!
God could have easily inspired James to include more details about the whereabouts
of the lost sheep. But maybe He didn’t want their identity revealed yet. So the book
of James ends without any closing salutations about the people he was writing to.
It’s one of just three New Testament books (the others are Acts and 3 John)
that abruptly finishes without so much as an “Amen”!
In looking at the content of James, however, there is one important clue that sheds light on the location of the lost sheep during the first century. It’s in James 4:1: “From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?” While this passage has a spiritual application that applies to God’s people today, in James’s day, he was speaking about literal wars that were raging in the areas where Israelites had been scattered.
James wrote his book around a.d. 60, about 10 years before the Roman Empire sacked Jerusalem. It was a relatively peaceful time in the world, with Rome towering above regional powers. At the time, Rome was engaged in just two major skirmishes—one in Britain and the other in Parthia, located around the southern shores of the Caspian Sea!
These were the wars going on “among” the Israelites James addressed.
Maybe evidence as to Israel’s whereabouts?
Parthia has an intriguing history. They suddenly appeared around the Caspian shores soon after the people of Israel had been exiled there as slaves in the eighth century b.c. According to historian George Rawlinson, the meaning of the name Parthia is “exile.”
In fact, these exiles who rose to power and prominence in the land of Parthia around 250 b.c. were none other than the “lost” tribes of Israel! They remained in the land of their captivity until the early part of the third century a.d., when the Persians drove them northwest into what is Europe today.
Josephus, the prominent first-century Jewish historian, was well aware of Israel’s settlement into the land of Parthia. In his history about the days of Ezra and the construction of the second temple, Josephus declared, “But then the entire body of the people of Israel [the lost sheep] remained in that country [they never returned to Samaria]; wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the 10 tribes are beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.”
Jesus commanded Peter, James, John and the rest of His disciples to go to these “lost sheep.”
If you have a collection of maps at the back of your Bible, look at the one that illustrates
Paul’s territory. He was the apostle in charge of the Gentile region. His area basically covers
northern Palestine and every region that touches the northern border of the Mediterranean Sea,
including what is today southern Turkey, Greece and Italy. He also pastored congregations on
the islands of Malta, Crete and Cyprus. And in Romans 15:24, Paul said he intended to visit Spain as well.
That is a huge territory! But not as large as the regions the “lost sheep” of Israel had been
scattered into. For those territories, remember, had been reserved for the original 12.
And there was very little territorial overlap, as Paul confirmed in Romans 15:20.
Paul worked in his assigned territory—and the other apostles worked in theirs.
Now consider Peter’s assigned territory. One of his regions, judging by the opening remarks
in his first epistle, was northern Turkey. “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers
scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.” Peter didn’t use the
word “strangers” in the sense that they were Gentiles. It comes from a Greek word that
means resident foreigner or alien.
Peter was fulfilling his Christ-given commission. He was addressing Israelite “strangers”
who were dwelling in Gentile lands. And where? Throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia,
Asia and Bithynia. Whereas Paul was expressly forbidden to enter the northern half Turkey
(Acts 16:6-7), Peter was commanded to reach the multitude of “lost sheep” that had been
scattered in that area.
Just as there was an immense multitude of “lost sheep” to be reached beyond the Euphrates
in the land of Parthia, so there was another multitude—one that Josephus was unaware of
—that had migrated northwest of Samaria into the region of northern Turkey.
And these are the territories we can pinpoint after examining just two epistles, one of them
written by one of the original 12 disciples.
How far the others must have gone, And what about the other war that was raging in Britain
at the time James wrote his epistle? Could it be that some of the apostles made it as far as
the British Isles?
Is now the time that God has chosen to reveal Israel’s true identity ?
-
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God,
and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.
The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have
performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in
the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
What were the sins of Jeroboam
Both houses of Israel were sent into national punishment and banishment
from the Holy Land because they broke God’s Sabbath!
(Jeremiah 29:10), many of the house of Judah returned to the Holy Land
to rebuild the temple, and restore the worship there
The Prophet Nehemiah tells why they had been driven into captive slavery
70 years before(Nehemiah 13:15-18).
The house of Judah was without excuse. They had been warned by the prophets.
“Thus saith the Eternal; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day
neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers…
(Jeremiah 17:21-22, 27).
The house of Judah did not heed it.And burned the house of the Eternal, and the king’s house;
and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire”
(Jeremiah 52:12-13)
WHY Israel Defeated in Leviticus 26: “Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image
to bow down unto it: for I am the Eternal your God. Ye shall keep my sabbaths,
and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Eternal” (verses 1-2).
God promised abundant production and wealth, national peace, and national dominance
that would have led to world dominance (verses 3-13).
But, said God (verses 14-33), if they refused to obey those commandments,
they would suffer sickness and disease, lose all prosperity for 2,520 years,
be invaded, conquered, and driven from their land as slaves to their enemies’ lands.
God made a special eternally binding covenant with them involving the Sabbath
(Exodus 31:12-17). The Sabbath was made the national sign by which the true God
would be identified and known to them, and by which they were to be identified as His people.
After the division into two nations—when the kingdom of Israel made Jeroboam
their king, the first thing this king did was introduce idolatry and Sabbath-breaking.
Ezekiel was given a message from God to the house of Israel(Ezekiel 3:1).
God says, in Ezekiel 20: “Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt,
and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them
my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.
Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them,
that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them” (verses 10-12).
“But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness:
they walked not in MY statutes, and they despised MY judgments?…?
and MY sabbaths they greatly polluted?…” (verse 13).
Then God pleaded with their children, a generation later. Notice!
“But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of
your fathers, neither observe THEIR judgments, nor defile yourselves with THEIR idols:
I am the Eternal your God; walk in MY statutes, and keep MY judgments, and do them;
And hallow MY sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you,
that ye may know that I am the Eternal your God” (verses 18-20).
The entire emphasis here is between God’s statutes, judgments and Sabbaths
on the one hand, and their FATHERS’ different sabbaths, statutes and judgments.
the children rebelled against me,” continued God, through the Prophet Ezekiel.
“[T]hey polluted MY sabbaths?…” (verse 21).
He scattered them, in national captivity and slavery (verse 23).
“Because they had not executed MY judgments, but had despised MY statutes,
and had polluted MY sabbaths, and their eyes were after their FATHERS’ idols”
“And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries
wherein ye are scattered?…?with fury poured out. And I will bring you into
the wilderness of the people [coming exodus—Jeremiah 23:7-8],
and there will I plead with you face to face” (Ezekiel 20:34-35).
“Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,
SO will I plead with you, saith the Lord God?.… And I will purge out from
among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me..
and YE shall know that I am the Lord” (verses 36-38).
43And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein
ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight
for all your evils that ye have committed.
44And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have wrought with you for
my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your
corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord God.
He says our people, when they are no longer rebellious, who will then be
keeping His Sabbath, shall remember their ways in which they were defiled,
and shall loathe themselves for their Sabbath-breaking!
They were removed out of their land. “For the children of Israel walked in
all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;
Until the Lord removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the
prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day”
(2 Kings 17:22-23).
21For he rent Israel from the house of David; and they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king:
and Jeroboam drave Israel from following the Lord, and made them sin a great sin.
For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did;
they departed not from them; 1 Kings 15:30 (KJV)
Because of the sins of Jeroboam which he sinned, and which he made Israel sin,
by his provocation wherewith he provoked the Lord God of Israel to anger.
1 Kings 14:16 (KJV)
And he shall give Israel up because of the sins of Jeroboam, who did sin,
and who made Israel to sin.
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'The Jews' consisted of Judah and Benjamin,large numbers from the ten tribes (2 Chron 10.16-17; 15.9; 19.8; 30.1, 5, 18, 25; 31.5-6; 34.21; 35.16-18) incorporated into Judah. And many would have returned in the post exilic period. Indeed the Jews also included the Edomites who settled in Judah and were forcibly converted under Hyrcanus, and the large numbers of Gentiles in Galilee forcibly converted by Aristobulus, us many Gentile proselytes.
They were often called Israel by later prophets, and we can see why,
They were often called Israel by later prophets, and we can see why,
Yes, but if you'll notice later on after that, Jacob was still called Jacob, and not always by the name Israel after that. So what gives? Is that not a Message in itself that there's a lot more meaning to the name Israel than just some moniker given Jacob for wrestling with The Angel of The Lord and overcoming?
Might want to read the Books of Ezra and Nehemiah, which give exactly who returned to Jerusalem from the 70 years Babylon captivity. The ten tribes are not in the list.
But when God had split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, and gave Jeroboam of Ephraim to rule over ten tribes in the north, Jeroboam then setup golden calf idols for them to worship instead of going down to Jerusalem to worship, trying to prevent Judah and Benjamin of the southern kingdom from being augmented.
SOME out of the ten tribes still went down to Judea and joined with Judah and Benjamin, i.e., small remnants. But the majority of the peoples of the ten tribes stayed north under Jeroboam, and were taken captive by the kings of Assyria. Likewise with the Levites among the ten tribes, Jeroboam setup common priests of the people instead, so the Levites left and went south and joined with Judah. Then the "house of Judah" became made up mainly of the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and those are who took the name Jew from the tribe of Judah.
But when God had split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, and gave Jeroboam of Ephraim to rule over ten tribes in the north, Jeroboam then setup golden calf idols for them to worship instead of going down to Jerusalem to worship, trying to prevent Judah and Benjamin of the southern kingdom from being augmented.
SOME out of the ten tribes still went down to Judea and joined with Judah and Benjamin, i.e., small remnants. But the majority of the peoples of the ten tribes stayed north under Jeroboam, and were taken captive by the kings of Assyria. Likewise with the Levites among the ten tribes, Jeroboam setup common priests of the people instead, so the Levites left and went south and joined with Judah. Then the "house of Judah" became made up mainly of the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and those are who took the name Jew from the tribe of Judah.
The Israel in part that God put blindness upon is about the unbelieving Jews of the "house of Judah", not the ten tribes of the "house of Israel".
2 Cor 3:14-16
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
KJV
Who are those that rely on the Old Testament (old covenant) still for their salvation? The unbelieving Jews, which became the southern kingdom "house of Judah" or "kingdom of Judah" per God's Word. To this day that blindness is upon the majority of them. Different story for the ten tribed "house of Israel", which DiscipleMike is trying to tell you guys about.
2 Cor 3:14-16
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
KJV
Who are those that rely on the Old Testament (old covenant) still for their salvation? The unbelieving Jews, which became the southern kingdom "house of Judah" or "kingdom of Judah" per God's Word. To this day that blindness is upon the majority of them. Different story for the ten tribed "house of Israel", which DiscipleMike is trying to tell you guys about.
I don't know, I think it's time you did an upgrade on that.
In Genesis 35, God told Jacob his seed would become "a nation, and a company of nations". In Genesis 48, through Jacob's blessing, God said that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations", and that his elder brother Manasseh would also be "great". So where are they? Where was that fulfilled? (because I assure you, it was fulfilled).
What nations first received The Gospel when they heard it, on national scales, and then began to put away their idols of Baal? (And mind you, there's still remnants that have hung onto the old pagan Baal worship. Reason is because many of those crept in from the old nations of Canaan, which is who their ancestors were).
In Genesis 35, God told Jacob his seed would become "a nation, and a company of nations". In Genesis 48, through Jacob's blessing, God said that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations", and that his elder brother Manasseh would also be "great". So where are they? Where was that fulfilled? (because I assure you, it was fulfilled).
What nations first received The Gospel when they heard it, on national scales, and then began to put away their idols of Baal? (And mind you, there's still remnants that have hung onto the old pagan Baal worship. Reason is because many of those crept in from the old nations of Canaan, which is who their ancestors were).
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Um No, It is the ALL Israel.
rom 11- 11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. [SUP]2 [/SUP]God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”[SUP][d][/SUP]
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”[SUP][e[/SUP]
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][g][/SUP] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them,When I take away their sins.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]28[/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
rom 11- 11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. [SUP]2 [/SUP]God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”[SUP][d][/SUP]
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”[SUP][e[/SUP]
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][g][/SUP] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them,When I take away their sins.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]28[/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Ezra 1:3-5
3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.
4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.
5 Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised, to go up to build the house of the LORD which is in Jerusalem.
KJV
None... of the ten tribes are mentioned, ONLY the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, the Levites, and the priests (of which some were foreigners that crept into the priesthood). And Ezra 2 gives the names of these, included a group of Nethinims (leftover bondservants of the Canaanites which Joshua and Solomon made hewers of wood and for service of the temple).
All these were called children of Israel because they were, but that phrase does not prove all 12 tribes returned. Furthermore, the ten tribes had ALREADY... been removed and scattered by the kings of Assyrian about 120 years BEFORE the king of Babylon came upon the "house of Judah" at Jerusalem and took these above captive to Babylon for 70 years!
3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.
4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.
5 Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised, to go up to build the house of the LORD which is in Jerusalem.
KJV
None... of the ten tribes are mentioned, ONLY the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, the Levites, and the priests (of which some were foreigners that crept into the priesthood). And Ezra 2 gives the names of these, included a group of Nethinims (leftover bondservants of the Canaanites which Joshua and Solomon made hewers of wood and for service of the temple).
All these were called children of Israel because they were, but that phrase does not prove all 12 tribes returned. Furthermore, the ten tribes had ALREADY... been removed and scattered by the kings of Assyrian about 120 years BEFORE the king of Babylon came upon the "house of Judah" at Jerusalem and took these above captive to Babylon for 70 years!
Sorry, you are simply reading into that what you want.
Like DiscipleMike has already shown, Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. His own did not receive Him, which were the Jews of the house of Judah at Jerusalem. And it's still to this day... that the majority of Jews hold to the old covenant still for their salvation, refusing Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ - Messiah.
Like DiscipleMike has already shown, Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. His own did not receive Him, which were the Jews of the house of Judah at Jerusalem. And it's still to this day... that the majority of Jews hold to the old covenant still for their salvation, refusing Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ - Messiah.
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6 [/SUP]When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight(Acts 1:6-9).
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished(Jeremiah 30:10-11).
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel shall be saved(physical kingdom): as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance(Romans 11:25-29).
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord God(Ezekiel 39:21-29).
God said that He would bring the whole house of Jacob,all 12 tribes back to Israel,and set His glory among the heathen,which will be the millennial reign of Christ when there will be no operating Gentile government,and the kingdom will be restored to Israel.
There is no difference to God between the house of Judah,and the house of Israel,for they are all one to God.
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand(Revelation 7:1-8).
The firstfruits of the Jews,probably the firstfruits to the millennial kingdom restored to Israel,all the tribes were included but Dan,replaced by Manasseh,but Dan is still a part of it.
There is no difference to God for all the tribes are going to be blessed,and together as one,not the house of Judah,not the house of Israel,if you try to make a distinction between the two,but the house of Jacob,all twelve tribes.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore(Ezekiel 37:15-28).
No more two separate kingdoms,but one kingdom all twelve tribes of Jacob.Jesus shall be King over them all in the millennial reign of Christ,and they will all be equal,and one nation.
6 [/SUP]When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight(Acts 1:6-9).
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished(Jeremiah 30:10-11).
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel shall be saved(physical kingdom): as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance(Romans 11:25-29).
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord God(Ezekiel 39:21-29).
God said that He would bring the whole house of Jacob,all 12 tribes back to Israel,and set His glory among the heathen,which will be the millennial reign of Christ when there will be no operating Gentile government,and the kingdom will be restored to Israel.
There is no difference to God between the house of Judah,and the house of Israel,for they are all one to God.
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand(Revelation 7:1-8).
The firstfruits of the Jews,probably the firstfruits to the millennial kingdom restored to Israel,all the tribes were included but Dan,replaced by Manasseh,but Dan is still a part of it.
There is no difference to God for all the tribes are going to be blessed,and together as one,not the house of Judah,not the house of Israel,if you try to make a distinction between the two,but the house of Jacob,all twelve tribes.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore(Ezekiel 37:15-28).
No more two separate kingdoms,but one kingdom all twelve tribes of Jacob.Jesus shall be King over them all in the millennial reign of Christ,and they will all be equal,and one nation.