Is Believing The Same As...............?

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p_rehbein

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A few days ago, while sitting in the Laundry Mat parking lot, I was reading 1st Corinthians, Chapter 12, and a thought came to mind.

Now, this Thread is not about 1st Corinthians, Chapter 12, it can be about any Scripture anyone happens to be reading, just saying.

Anyway, after I read it, I thought........We all seek to gain understand of a Scripture when we read it......I like to say a short prayer before reading Scripture to ask the Holy Spirit to give me understanding of what I am reading. Some here may do the same thing.......or not.

I began to think, is believing/understanding what the Scripture says the same as "accepting" what it says?

Now, I believe that people can read the same Scripture and have very different understanding/beliefs as to what the Scripture says, and this is shown by the teachings of the Apostle Paul regarding "carnal" and "spiritual" believers. I think that the Holy Spirit imparts unto us the understanding that He knows we need at the time we are reading the Scripture. I think this because I have read a Scripture and came to an understanding of it...........and some time later, days, weeks, years. read the same Scripture again, and have a totally different understanding of it. Some here may have had the same experience.

Not that either understanding is wrong, just that the Holy Spirit knows what we need and when we need it, and He imparts unto us the understanding we need at that time.

I ended up reading that Chapter three times. And I thought, ok. I understand what it is saying, and I believe what it is saying. BUT do I ACCEPT it? See, some times what is revealed to us is different than what we believed before. So, if this happens, am I, are we able to ACCEPT what understanding we receive and adjust our beliefs accordingly?

That is why I ask.........Is believing the same as accepting?

Does one have to accept what a Scripture says in order to believe/understand it? Or can one understand what it is saying and not accept it?

Anyway, this was the thought that I had while reading my Bible that day........

Thanks for listening to me...........

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eternally-gratefull

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I have seen where different parts of scripture hit people different ways. ie, two people read a passage, and it speaks to them in two different ways, Yet both are right..

So it can get confusing in the least..lol

Then again, Many people believe Jesus died on the cross. Yet they do not accept it as the means of salvation.. So in this case.. we have a different situation.. One believed, but did not accept.. (ie interpreted it different, but wrong)
 
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Some concepts are hard for us to accept. We can read and understand but not really allow it to heal us or change our lives....for example how many people truly believe that God loves them? Or that grace means that their salvation is a gift from God that we don't deserve?
 

p_rehbein

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I have seen where different parts of scripture hit people different ways. ie, two people read a passage, and it speaks to them in two different ways, Yet both are right..

So it can get confusing in the least..lol

Then again, Many people believe Jesus died on the cross. Yet they do not accept it as the means of salvation.. So in this case.. we have a different situation.. One believed, but did not accept.. (ie interpreted it different, but wrong)

Excellent example!

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There are many hard sayings in the Scriptures and many Truths that are easy to understand.

If you believe you have understood the Truth in the Scriptures then were are to believe that Truth. By your understanding it you are believing it. But if you want to be sure you have the Truth, you look up on the internet and see what the Great men of God has written about these verses.

I often look up what Dr, J. Vernon McGee says. You can use others if you want, but i find McGee dead on spot on the Truth.
 

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With what was written here on the subject i think it is possible to believe but not accept. We, being Christians, have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior both believe and accept the Bible as truth. A non Christian can believe Gods Word but not accept it as truth.

Take for example all the mentions in the Bible about homosexuality. I have actually heard people say that they believe homosexualluty is wrong according to the Bible but wont accept it by saying same sex marriages are ok.

They are undetstanding what the Bible says but refuse to accept it as truth. Kind of an odd "double talk" dont ya think? I think the same can be said about other things in the Bible as well.

So yes i think it is possible to understand but not accept. The Holy Spirit is speaking to them by their understanding Gods Word but they refuse to accept what the Holy Spirit is revealing to them.
 
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I think it is possible... even probable... that many of us expect to get from our reading of Scripture, a single, specific and "set" understanding that we can make a dominant "imperative" to live by for all the days of our lives.

While I think that we are to grow in our understanding of just about ALL passages so that our daily lives reflect an awareness of the fluctuation of the application of those same passages in the changing and maturing lives we all live.

I, personally, think that if almost all Scripture only means to you, today, exactly what it meant when you first read it, perhaps years ago, then you might have unknowingly slipped into a stagnation God never intended for us to become mired in.
 
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Some concepts are hard for us to accept. We can read and understand but not really allow it to heal us or change our lives....for example how many people truly believe that God loves them? Or that grace means that their salvation is a gift from God that we don't deserve?
I think "healing", that is so often vehemently denied here, is a prime example of that.
 
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I think "healing", that is so often vehemently denied here, is a prime example of that.

I am not sure people deny God heals. I think the discrepancy or disagreement is on how.. which takes us back to the op.. and both believe, but have differing views of how.
 
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I am not sure people deny God heals. I think the discrepancy or disagreement is on how.. which takes us back to the op.. and both believe, but have differing views of how.
That is precisely why I deliberately put that particular word in quotes.... so that we might all understand that I meant it as a physical or emotional healing that comes from God THROUGH the hands and administration of human beings.
 
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That is precisely why I deliberately put that particular word in quotes.... so that we might all understand that I meant it as a physical or emotional healing that comes from God THROUGH the hands and administration of human beings.

All the healings I have seen come through God through persistent prayer. Happens in the background and God gets credit. I have seen people who doctors said would not live another year with spots on their lungs, go to the doctor the next visit, and the spots are gone, Cancer people be freed from cancer, things which can ONLY be explained as a miracle.

I have never witnessed an on hands healing, And not sure they even happen. But will not judge someone who believes they do.
And most of the stuff I have witnessed on TV or in a church I decided to visit when I moved, looked like a freak show to me (my honest opinion) but again, Will not say God does not heal that way in some churches. Maybe I just never hit the right one..lol

which is what I meant
 

p_rehbein

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All the healings I have seen come through God through persistent prayer. Happens in the background and God gets credit. I have seen people who doctors said would not live another year with spots on their lungs, go to the doctor the next visit, and the spots are gone, Cancer people be freed from cancer, things which can ONLY be explained as a miracle.

I have never witnessed an on hands healing, And not sure they even happen. But will not judge someone who believes they do. And most of the stuff I have witnessed on TV or in a church I decided to visit when I moved, looked like a freak show to me (my honest opinion) but again, Will not say God does not heal that way in some churches. Maybe I just never hit the right one..lol
which is what I meant
I understand that, and know many people feel the same way. Now, I don't buy what goes on on TV, but I have seen physical healing, and I have been physically healed when the elders of my congregation gathered around me, anointed me, laid hands on me, and prayed over me.

Some time ago, I posted this experience somewhere here on the BDF, but do not remember the thread. It is a long account, so won't repost it here now. But I have seen it first hand, and have experienced it first hand.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I understand that, and know many people feel the same way. Now, I don't buy what goes on on TV, but I have seen physical healing, and I have been physically healed when the elders of my congregation gathered around me, anointed me, laid hands on me, and prayed over me.

Some time ago, I posted this experience somewhere here on the BDF, but do not remember the thread. It is a long account, so won't repost it here now. But I have seen it first hand, and have experienced it first hand.

Amen and praise God.

Question, Was this done in private, or in front of a whole church during a church service..Just asking out of curiosity
 

p_rehbein

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Amen and praise God.

Question, Was this done in private, or in front of a whole church during a church service..Just asking out of curiosity
Wednesday Night Prayer Meeting when I was healed. And Sunday Morning Service when I witnessed another being healed. As well as the testimony of a person who was healed (at his home)when the Pastor came over and anointed, laid hands on, and prayed over him. The Pastor also testified to the healing.
 
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All the healings I have seen come through God through persistent prayer. Happens in the background and God gets credit. I have seen people who doctors said would not live another year with spots on their lungs, go to the doctor the next visit, and the spots are gone, Cancer people be freed from cancer, things which can ONLY be explained as a miracle.

I have never witnessed an on hands healing, And not sure they even happen. But will not judge someone who believes they do.
And most of the stuff I have witnessed on TV or in a church I decided to visit when I moved, looked like a freak show to me (my honest opinion) but again, Will not say God does not heal that way in some churches. Maybe I just never hit the right one..lol

which is what I meant
I think this is what the thread is about. You won't say it couldn't happen, but you won't accept it, either, right?
 
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The founder of our denomination had a problem with people believing things happened but not accepting that Jesus asked us to do the same.
[video=youtube;U7wLM77curg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7wLM77curg[/video]
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I think this is what the thread is about. You won't say it couldn't happen, but you won't accept it, either, right?
I don't accept freek shows and showboat of men taking glory and getting rich off God. I never said god does not heal, in numerous ways. PR gave his testimony and I accept it as truth.
 
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I don't accept freek shows and showboat of men taking glory and getting rich off God. I never said god does not heal, in numerous ways. PR gave his testimony and I accept it as truth.
This is one of our "Freak Show" training seminars. Watch it all the way through when you get some time. (Maybe you'll get some juicy material to came back and rag on me about.)
[video=youtube;oRH0Zif-cIU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRH0Zif-cIU[/video]
 
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This is one of our "Freak Show" training seminars. Watch it all the way through when you get some time. (Maybe you'll get some juicy material to came back and rag on me about.)
[video=youtube;oRH0Zif-cIU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRH0Zif-cIU[/video]
Na that's fine, it is obvious I have hit a nerve. So will end it here.
 
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Na that's fine, it is obvious I have hit a nerve. So will end it here.
No, I don't think you have any idea what is obvious. And you will probably remain oblivious to what I am trying to say until you listen to that second tape all the way through.... (That's really why I posted it, because that video, especially the last half, directly relates to the concept first introduced in the OP.) ...... But I seriously doubt that is going to happen. This goes right back to post #7 that I first wrote in this thread.
 
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