are children sinners? do they go to heaven if they die early?

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alexmurphy

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Please provide your answers in the light of Bible
 

breno785au

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We have a search function on this site, it's a great tool. If it were to be used, one would find many threads on this topic.

Psalm 51:5
 
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wattie

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David had a child that died at birth. David said that the child would go to heaven.. to be with David when he died.

He said he would 'go to him (the child)' when he died.

The place is mentioned later in Luke 16:22- Abraham's Bosom:

Luke_16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Yes babies are born sinful.. but God gives grace to them to be with Him until they are able to know right from wrong and receive Him as their Saviour.
 

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Please provide your answers in the light of Bible
What is it that caused us to need the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ?
What was the critical moment in the Book of Genesis that reveals the fall of mankind?
What did Adam and eve come to posses that caused them to become unacceptable to God and have them evicted from the garden of Eden?

Answer it was when they came to know the Knowledge of Good and evil.. Before that time they where innocent having no sin but once they came to the knowledge of good and evil they sinned..

So all people who have gained the knowledge of good and evil need the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ to be redeemed.. But what about the Little ones who have no knowledge of good and evil?

We read in the OT that when the Hebrews first came to the promised land from Egypt that they rebelled against God and refused to go into the land to posses it.. God then forced them to wander the wilderness for 40 years untill the generation that rebelled against His will had died.. The Hebrews at the time where saying that their little ones who did not take part in the rebellion would be victims of Gods wrath.. God replied thus:::

Deuteronomy 1:KJV
39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it. 40 But as for you, turn you, and take your journey into the wilderness by the way of the Red sea.



So here is God declaring that their Little ones on the day the Hebrews rebelled who had No knowledge between good and evil he would give them the promised land.. The promised land is a foreshadowing of the eternal promised land .. the Kingdom of God..

Those who have no knowledge of good and evil are acceptable to enter into the presence of God because they are sinless and therefore deemed Good.. Thus little ones who die not having come to the Knowledge of good and evil are acceptable to enter into eternal life with God..
 

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THE TRUTH IS that God has not been pleased to reveal the facts to us.

Rom 5 says ALL HAVE SINNED. Thus all are sinners in Adam.

Deuteronomy 1.39 refers to a specific sin of which they were not guilty. It cannot be used to question what will be discovered at the judgment.

The psalmist says, 'the wicked go astray from the womb, speaking lies.' David says, 'I was shapen in inquity.'

His words concerning the baby who died were merely saying he would die as well. No afterlife was clearly spoken of in David's day.

If a child goes to heaven if it dies early it is a pity that there are doctors.

The truth is that WE DO NOT KNOW.
 
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Please provide your answers in the light of Bible
Romans 7:7-10
King James Version(KJV)

7.)What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8.)But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9.)For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10.)And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
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Verse 9 says,I was alive once without the law.
How was Paul alive,one time before the law when he was always under law.(Talking about Saul before he became Paul)
He would have to be talking about that time when he did not know that he was going against GOD's law,but when the commandment came Is when he knew he was going against the law,GOD's law.

The only way for him to be alive without the law once when he was always under law would be the age of accountability.

If a person does not know they are breaking GOD's law,(I'm talking about,they really don't know they are breaking GOD's law)then sin Is not Imputed.

When the commandment comes means,when the child becomes aware that they are doing wrong.
 

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Would they be in need of constant correction if they were not sinful?

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go:
and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
 

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Would they be in need of constant correction if they were not sinful?

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go:
and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
This verse isn't necessarily true, as we have seen plenty of situations of kids growing up in the church only to later on want nothing to do with it.
 

jsr1221

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THE TRUTH IS that God has not been pleased to reveal the facts to us.

Rom 5 says ALL HAVE SINNED. Thus all are sinners in Adam.

Deuteronomy 1.39 refers to a specific sin of which they were not guilty. It cannot be used to question what will be discovered at the judgment.

The psalmist says, 'the wicked go astray from the womb, speaking lies.' David says, 'I was shapen in inquity.'

His words concerning the baby who died were merely saying he would die as well. No afterlife was clearly spoken of in David's day.

If a child goes to heaven if it dies early it is a pity that there are doctors.

The truth is that WE DO NOT KNOW.
The Bible also instructs us of having childlike faith, though.
 

RickyZ

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There is an age of accountability, basically it is that point at which we think we know enough to make a decision about Christ. Don't have time to look up all the references but John 9:41 lends credence - Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains".
 

jsr1221

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There is an age of accountability, basically it is that point at which we think we know enough to make a decision about Christ. Don't have time to look up all the references but John 9:41 lends credence - Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains".
Would that take into account people in tribes in Afirca that go through this life without ever hearing the words Jesus Christ? You can't proclaim to know if you've never even heard of what there is to know.
 
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Would that take into account people in tribes in Afirca that go through this life without ever hearing the words Jesus Christ? You can't proclaim to know if you've never even heard of what there is to know.
After the commandment comes,sin Is Imputed.
 

jsr1221

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After the commandment comes,sin Is Imputed.
I refer you to my last sentence. How can a person know what a commandment is if the person goes through this life without hearing of them or the One that gave them?
 
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I refer you to my last sentence. How can a person know what a commandment is if the person goes through this life without hearing of them or the One that gave them?

Romans 2:14-15

King James Version(KJV)

14.)For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15.)Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
 

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Romans 2:14-15

King James Version(KJV)

14.)For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15.)Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
That doesn't answer my question and doesn't have anything to do with the discussion. Accusing what? And what are they a law of? It's a pet peeve when people just post a Bible verse in response for an answer to a question. They're just words on a page if you don't have any interpretation that goes with it. If I were to ask how to change a tire you wouldn't respond with "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me". So why is this any different?
 
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1 John 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

When Jesus died on the Cross His Blood has cleansed us from all sin. Now this may also apply to Children under a certain age. Exactly what age is determined by the Child himself. The point in time when they can understand all about God i believe is when they are held accountable.
 

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This topic was discussed at length last week.
 

valiant

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Originally Posted by valiant
THE TRUTH IS that God has not been pleased to reveal the facts to us.

Rom 5 says ALL HAVE SINNED. Thus all are sinners in Adam.

Deuteronomy 1.39 refers to a specific sin of which they were not guilty. It cannot be used to question what will be discovered at the judgment.

The psalmist says, 'the wicked go astray from the womb, speaking lies.' David says, 'I was shapen in inquity.'

His words concerning the baby who died were merely saying he would die as well. No afterlife was clearly spoken of in David's day.

If a child goes to heaven if it dies early it is a pity that there are doctors.

The truth is that WE DO NOT KNOW.
The Bible also instructs us of having childlike faith, though.
but that is faith in what we KNOW not faith in our sentimental thoughts,
 

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This verse isn't necessarily true, as we have seen plenty of situations of kids growing up in the church only to later on want nothing to do with it.
Yes, their true conversion through repentance and faith is a hopefully future event. Having a religious background and upbringing does not equate to automatically being born again of the Spirit of God. Yet the point remains: children are in need of constant correction. Parents with children who embark on a path that is at odds with the Church must prayerfully attend to the spiritual needs of their children, for it is likely that no amount of coercion will turn them from their seeking elsewhere... and that may be how it should be, for if they are sincerely seeking the Truth for their own selves, they shall surely find it, and discover that Scripture is true after all :)