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It all depends on how much you divide into categories I guess.
I could say: The sun emits white(ish) light, or I could say that it emits light of all colours (which is what white light is).
There are many "good news" in the bible, but they are summed up in Jesus
- God loves us
- God wants to forgive our sins
- God wants us with Him
- When we are united with God there will be no more suffering
- Jesus was sent as a sacrifice for our sins and if we believe in Him we are saved, washed clean, made children and heirs of God
I could say: The sun emits white(ish) light, or I could say that it emits light of all colours (which is what white light is).
There are many "good news" in the bible, but they are summed up in Jesus
- God loves us
- God wants to forgive our sins
- God wants us with Him
- When we are united with God there will be no more suffering
- Jesus was sent as a sacrifice for our sins and if we believe in Him we are saved, washed clean, made children and heirs of God
There is only one Gospel which is the Scriptures and yes Paul taught the same as the Apostles taught.
2 Peter 3:15-16
[SUP]15 [/SUP]and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, [SUP]16 [/SUP]as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:15-16
[SUP]15 [/SUP]and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, [SUP]16 [/SUP]as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
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And that we call those "4 primary accounts" the gospels, tends to throw people off. Causing many to confuse what is narrative for what is doctrinal. C S Lewis explained the problem this way;
"The Resurrection, and its consequences were the "gospel" or good news which the Christian brought: what we call the 'gospels,' the narratives of Our Lord's life and death, were composed later for the benefit of those who had already accepted the gospel. They were in no sense the basis of Christianity: they were written for those already converted. The miracles of the Resurrection, and the theology of that miracle, comes first: the biography comes later as a comment on it. Nothing could be more unhistorical than to pick out selected sayings of Christ from the gospels and to regard those as the datum and the rest of the New Testament as a construction upon it."
"The Resurrection, and its consequences were the "gospel" or good news which the Christian brought: what we call the 'gospels,' the narratives of Our Lord's life and death, were composed later for the benefit of those who had already accepted the gospel. They were in no sense the basis of Christianity: they were written for those already converted. The miracles of the Resurrection, and the theology of that miracle, comes first: the biography comes later as a comment on it. Nothing could be more unhistorical than to pick out selected sayings of Christ from the gospels and to regard those as the datum and the rest of the New Testament as a construction upon it."
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I think i should elaborate on this a little so that the thread can be understood more clearly so as to enable people to chip in their contributions..
Yes there is only ONE gospel, which is that of our SALVATION. However, Paul and peter did not preached the same gospel; even Jesus during his earthly ministry preached the gospel of the kingdom of God. For instance Jesus came announcing the gospel of the kingdom of God and this gospel doesn't address salvation. Rather it speaks of the arrival of God to reposes the claim he had, to assert his authority over the fallen cosmos. That is why he healed the sick, raised the dead and cast our demons(Lk 11:20). if Jesus was preaching the gospel of the kingdom during his earthly ministry and didn't mention the aspects of salvation( his death burial resurrection etc), implies that the gospel of the kingdom of God is not the gospel of our salvation.That is why one cannot use the gospel of the kingdom of God to introduce someone to salvation.
There is equally the different between the gospel Paul preached and that preached by peter. peter preached preached the gospel of circumcision(Gal2:7); in other words, the fulfillment of prophecy, the fulfillment of scriptures,(Acts chapter 2) while Paul preach gospel of our salvation revealed to him by the ascended Lord Jesus; that is, the gospel of the revelation of the mystery( Rom 16:25, Eph 6:19)
However these gospels do not conflict one another; they are just messages in sequence. They are addressed to different groups and there is an interim taking place.
Pls feel free to add something to these statements, or you can even refute it. i am ok with that. i am out to learn. blessed.
Yes there is only ONE gospel, which is that of our SALVATION. However, Paul and peter did not preached the same gospel; even Jesus during his earthly ministry preached the gospel of the kingdom of God. For instance Jesus came announcing the gospel of the kingdom of God and this gospel doesn't address salvation. Rather it speaks of the arrival of God to reposes the claim he had, to assert his authority over the fallen cosmos. That is why he healed the sick, raised the dead and cast our demons(Lk 11:20). if Jesus was preaching the gospel of the kingdom during his earthly ministry and didn't mention the aspects of salvation( his death burial resurrection etc), implies that the gospel of the kingdom of God is not the gospel of our salvation.That is why one cannot use the gospel of the kingdom of God to introduce someone to salvation.
There is equally the different between the gospel Paul preached and that preached by peter. peter preached preached the gospel of circumcision(Gal2:7); in other words, the fulfillment of prophecy, the fulfillment of scriptures,(Acts chapter 2) while Paul preach gospel of our salvation revealed to him by the ascended Lord Jesus; that is, the gospel of the revelation of the mystery( Rom 16:25, Eph 6:19)
However these gospels do not conflict one another; they are just messages in sequence. They are addressed to different groups and there is an interim taking place.
Pls feel free to add something to these statements, or you can even refute it. i am ok with that. i am out to learn. blessed.
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Paul and the 12 disciples preached the same Gospel,but there is 4 main Gospels that testify that Jesus did die,was raised from the dead,and resurrected to heaven.The 12 disciples were eye witnesses to the death,burial,and resurrection,of Christ,and their belief is not based on faith,for they saw it personally with their eyes,which after Jesus raised from the dead appeared to them for 40 days,which Jesus said blessed is he that has not seen,but still believes,for people after that have to have faith,for they were not eyewitnesses to it.Paul was not an eyewitness to it,but Jesus appeared to Him,which Paul knew it was of God,and said who are you Lord,and He replied,I am Jesus whom you persecute,so Paul had an account that caused Him to believe without doubt.
Paul,and the 12 disciples,preached the same Gospel,the death,burial,and resurrection of Christ,His shed blood takes away our sins,He is Lord and Savior,God manifest in the flesh,and nobody comes to the Father,has a connection with God spiritually,except through the Son,for there is only one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus,for only a sinless man can reconcile us to God,which no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh,and reconciled mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony,and all who confess Christ,believing the Gospel,will receive the Spirit,and be in harmony with God,as the man Christ Jesus is in harmony with God.
The Gospel message in short is this,the man Christ Jesus connects us to God,and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,which the Bible says God laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Paul,and the 12 disciples,preached the same Gospel,the death,burial,and resurrection of Christ,His shed blood takes away our sins,He is Lord and Savior,God manifest in the flesh,and nobody comes to the Father,has a connection with God spiritually,except through the Son,for there is only one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus,for only a sinless man can reconcile us to God,which no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh,and reconciled mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony,and all who confess Christ,believing the Gospel,will receive the Spirit,and be in harmony with God,as the man Christ Jesus is in harmony with God.
The Gospel message in short is this,the man Christ Jesus connects us to God,and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,which the Bible says God laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
I agree with you. As others have already responded, I think the basic message was preached by them all. Jesus is the King and it is his death, burial, and Resurrection that saves.
I disagree. Peter lays out in Acts 2 pretty much the same message that Paul does in 1 Corinthians 15. Jesus' death, burial, and Resurrection saves.
Also, I think salvation is the main theme of Jesus' mission. It can be found in many places but here are a few examples:
John 3:17: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Luke 9:56: "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."
Matthew 1:21: "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins."
Matthew 18:11: "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."
I agree. That is part of what will happen with the coming of the King. But that isn't all that happens.
He did mention His death, burial, and resurrection:
Matthew 16:21: "From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day."
Matthew 17:23: "And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry."
Luke 9:22: "Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day."
The idea of there being more than one Gospel is new to me, I will admit. But from what I have seen....I remain unconvinced.
You seem to be saying that Jesus spoke of the Gospel of the Kingdom which doesn't include the message of salvation.
Yet in His own words we see:
That He came to save the world. (salvation)
The He would need to be killed and arise from burial 3 days later (death, burial, resurrection)
That believing in Him and in what He says saves. (see John 3:16)
That the Kingdom will be restored, etc. can be a part of that as well. But that is the same basic Gospel message that Peter preaches in Acts 2 and that Paul does in 1 Corinthians 15.
You just referenced Acts 2. I think if we read that carefully we can see that Peter included in his preaching the fact that the death, burial, and Resurrection of Jesus saves. Yes, that is the fulfillment of the O.T. scriptures and prophecy and Peter says that because his audience is primarily Jewish there. But he does include the other aspects of the Gospel as well.
I'm not saying that there aren't some differences in what Peter and Paul preached. Paul primarily had a Gentile audience and they probably didn't care about O.T. prophecies to the Jewish people. But Peter's audience would care about that.
What I am saying is that I don't see that the differences that are there require the idea of more than one Gospel.
I agree. Plus the sortof radical idea that the Gentiles would be included...well, I don't think that idea came until a little later. I think maybe Acts 10 to Peter and then to Paul after his conversion.
Peace.
I disagree. Peter lays out in Acts 2 pretty much the same message that Paul does in 1 Corinthians 15. Jesus' death, burial, and Resurrection saves.
Also, I think salvation is the main theme of Jesus' mission. It can be found in many places but here are a few examples:
John 3:17: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Luke 9:56: "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."
Matthew 1:21: "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins."
Matthew 18:11: "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."
I agree. That is part of what will happen with the coming of the King. But that isn't all that happens.
He did mention His death, burial, and resurrection:
Matthew 16:21: "From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day."
Matthew 17:23: "And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry."
Luke 9:22: "Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day."
The idea of there being more than one Gospel is new to me, I will admit. But from what I have seen....I remain unconvinced.
You seem to be saying that Jesus spoke of the Gospel of the Kingdom which doesn't include the message of salvation.
Yet in His own words we see:
That He came to save the world. (salvation)
The He would need to be killed and arise from burial 3 days later (death, burial, resurrection)
That believing in Him and in what He says saves. (see John 3:16)
That the Kingdom will be restored, etc. can be a part of that as well. But that is the same basic Gospel message that Peter preaches in Acts 2 and that Paul does in 1 Corinthians 15.
You just referenced Acts 2. I think if we read that carefully we can see that Peter included in his preaching the fact that the death, burial, and Resurrection of Jesus saves. Yes, that is the fulfillment of the O.T. scriptures and prophecy and Peter says that because his audience is primarily Jewish there. But he does include the other aspects of the Gospel as well.
I'm not saying that there aren't some differences in what Peter and Paul preached. Paul primarily had a Gentile audience and they probably didn't care about O.T. prophecies to the Jewish people. But Peter's audience would care about that.
What I am saying is that I don't see that the differences that are there require the idea of more than one Gospel.
I agree. Plus the sortof radical idea that the Gentiles would be included...well, I don't think that idea came until a little later. I think maybe Acts 10 to Peter and then to Paul after his conversion.
Peace.
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Just as the four evangelists each wrote down the godpel according to each, so Pul taught the gospel according to his understanding, in the Holy Spirit of course. All were taching the gospel as they were given it, the smae gospel.
Abraham was teh first to receive the Gospel directly from our Father. What a privilege...............
Abraham was teh first to receive the Gospel directly from our Father. What a privilege...............
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maybe you didn't refute it yourself bc you have not yet done some studies concerning these statements, otherwise you wouldn't be looking for someone else to refute them for you! yet you are quick to pass a negative judgement on them statements. how can you justify the fact that i am wrong and you are right when you haven't even attempt to proof me wrong? pls don't make any negative comment if you cannot disprove me. A wise man once said," what people don't understand, they condemn". bless