Does Sin Destroy Our Relationship with God?

[Grace777x70]

Here is a short teaching by Ryan Rufus on the difference between religion ( bad use of the word ) and relationship with God.



It’s not sin that destroys our relationship with God. It's religion. Religion is the counterfeit of relationship.

Religion is based on law: "if I do all these things right then I can have relationship with God.” But true relationship is based on grace: "Christ did everything right for me so that I could have an unbreakable relationship with God!"

Religion is where you replace a relationship with God for rules and regulations instead.

To earn your right to have a relationship with God is the very thing that stops you from having a relationship with God! It's pride to think you can earn your right to have relationship with God. It's Jesus who earned our right to have a relationship with God.

When you fail to see the finished work of Christ in completing propitiation, forgiveness, justification, righteousness, sanctification and redemption in order to bring us into an unbreakable relationship with God, then you will try to earn your relationship with God through working to earn, keep or complete all these things. These things however are gifts to us through faith and not rewards through works.

The New Covenant life now is about the fruit of all these gifts manifesting in our life through relationship with God. They are fruits of salvation not works in order to earn, keep or complete salvation. Good works are the fruit of relationship, not the cause of it.

This mind shift will take you out of performance based Christianity that is sin conscious and into faith based Christianity that is Christ conscious and empowering.

When we resist sin now as believers it's not because we're afraid of God or His consequences, instead we have no interest in walking in the same direction as sin because we have been captivated and conquered by Christ and are walking in His direction now.

We may stumble occasionally but when we do, we stumble in Christ's direction! And the more we enjoy this life and relationship with Him the less sin appeals to us.

We don't need external laws and rules and boxes to check to tell us how to live. Christ is the life inside of us and His desires and heart and nature are at work in us compelling and calling us into the life He has for us now.

NEVER exchange that for religion!

By Ryan Rufus from “Does Sin Destroy Our Relationship with God?”

 

[disciplemike]

Here is a short teaching by Ryan Rufus on the difference between religion ( bad use of the word ) and relationship with God.

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It’s not sin that destroys our relationship with God. It's religion. Religion is the counterfeit of relationship.

Religion is based on law: "if I do all these things right then I can have relationship with God.” But true relationship is based on grace: "Christ did everything right for me so that I could have an unbreakable relationship with God!"

Religion is where you replace a relationship with God for rules and regulations instead.

To earn your right to have a relationship with God is the very thing that stops you from having a relationship with God! It's pride to think you can earn your right to have relationship with God. It's Jesus who earned our right to have a relationship with God.

When you fail to see the finished work of Christ in completing propitiation, forgiveness, justification, righteousness, sanctification and redemption in order to bring us into an unbreakable relationship with God, then you will try to earn your relationship with God through working to earn, keep or complete all these things. These things however are gifts to us through faith and not rewards through works.

The New Covenant life now is about the fruit of all these gifts manifesting in our life through relationship with God. They are fruits of salvation not works in order to earn, keep or complete salvation. Good works are the fruit of relationship, not the cause of it.

This mind shift will take you out of performance based Christianity that is sin conscious and into faith based Christianity that is Christ conscious and empowering.

When we resist sin now as believers it's not because we're afraid of God or His consequences, instead we have no interest in walking in the same direction as sin because we have been captivated and conquered by Christ and are walking in His direction now.

We may stumble occasionally but when we do, we stumble in Christ's direction! And the more we enjoy this life and relationship with Him the less sin appeals to us.

We don't need external laws and rules and boxes to check to tell us how to live. Christ is the life inside of us and His desires and heart and nature are at work in us compelling and calling us into the life He has for us now.

NEVER exchange that for religion!

By Ryan Rufus from “Does Sin Destroy Our Relationship with God?”

try reading Scripture instead of rufus.

 

[Grace777x70]

try reading Scripture instead of rufus.

Try believing in Christ alone for salvation and life instead of self-righteousness in your "keeping of the Law". This is why modern day Judaizers/law-keepers are anti-Christ in their beliefs. The Gospel of the grace of Christ offends religion.

Come to Christ disciplemike and believe in what Christ has done for you in His finished work. Your religion just doesn't hold anything to the beauty of the Lord Jesus work on our behalf. You can trust Him for life and living. He loves you deeply and has great plans for your life - but you have to come to Him and trust Him for everything.

The Law is NOT of faith. The righteous shall live by faith in Christ alone.

 

[LaurenTM]

no...sin does not destroy our relationship with God from His side as He already provided perfect atonement

if we sin, we know that God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin (s) when we confess them

the fact that scriptures states that God is faithful and just to forgive, indicates He is upholding His own words...because of the sacrifice of Jesus, He must forgive...He is just...He does not consider whether or not to forgive...we are forgiven..

now, on the other hand? sin will ruin our relationship with God and others if we believe it does

I used to wait for days before going to God and saying "I goofed again. I'm sorry' Then, I felt like a hypocrite if I would say 'sorry' 10 times a day, catching myself doing what I had just asked forgiveness for...

it's not how we feel that creates forgiveness however...it is accepting what God has already done on our behalf

why would you want to keep hurting someone who loved you so much they died for you?

if we see sin as an act apart from what God has provided, I think a person can reach the mistaken conclusion that they are in and out of salvation

it's like walking on ice...you think the ice is thin, but as you progress, you find it holds your weight and does not crack...that's a bit of a simple analogy, but God's forgiveness holds up...we don't wear it out or break it

I don't think we really understand salvation if we think we loose God when we sin...the other thing is, what happens if you die right after sinning? are you lost? not according to scripture

who is keeping a record of our sins? is God? or people? I bet it's people...

 

[Huglife]

Göd greives for the sinners. He loves them and want Thema to return to him. "But if from there you seek the Lord your Göd, you will find him if you Seen him with all your heart and soul"

 

[Yonah]

seems to me in the very beginning , the Father walked with Adam and Eve. then one day wham! sin brought death into the world and they were no longer allowed direct fellowship with our Creator, I'm sure to Adam it felt as if the relationship was in fact destroyed...

 

[Ariel82]

Don't agree with his definition of religion. The Bible uses the word religion and it doesn't fit that definition.

 

[Ariel82]

seems to me in the very beginning , the Father walked with Adam and Eve. then one day wham! sin brought death into the world and they were no longer allowed direct fellowship with our Creator, I'm sure to Adam it felt as if the relationship was in fact destroyed...

Adam hide, yet God still sought him out to have a relationship with him. Iin fact Genesis 3 talks about Jesus or the promised Seed that will redeem them of their sins..it even talks about how God made a covering for them of animal skins.

 

[heavenly_bound]

Try believing in Christ alone for salvation and life instead of self-righteousness in your "keeping of the Law". This is why modern day Judaizers/law-keepers are anti-Christ in their beliefs. The Gospel of the grace of Christ offends religion.

Come to Christ disciplemike and believe in what Christ has done for you in His finished work. Your religion just doesn't hold anything to the beauty of the Lord Jesus work on our behalf. You can trust Him for life and living. He loves you deeply and has great plans for your life - but you have to come to Him and trust Him for everything.

The Law is NOT of faith. The righteous shall live by faith in Christ alone.

Well said grace 777! I think majority of Christians do not yet understand the Father-Son relationship we now have and enjoy with God through Christ. They still relate with God in a Master-servant relationship; the same way Israel related with God in the OT. proof is that, you will never hear any Law preacher or anyone who insists on keeping Gods law, addresses God as Abba Father, bc only those that know(by revelation) they are the BELOVED sons, can truly Call God ABBA DEAR FATHER! "" And He said Abba Father, all things are possible unto thee....(Mk 14:36)"". ""For ye have not received the spirit of BONDAGE again to fear, but ye have received the spirit of adoption whereby we cry FATHER(Rom 8;15)"" . ""but now i say, that the heir, as long as he is a child, deffereth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; but is under tutor, and governors until the time appointed of the Father. but even so, we when we were children, were in BONDAGE under the elements of the world. But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of Sons. And because ye are sons, God had sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts crying ABBA FATHER! wherefore thou art no more servants, but sons, and if sons, then an heir of God through Christ (Gal 4: 1-7)""

Note here in Gal 4 1-7, that Paul calls Christians who still uphold the law as servants though they be heirs of God. This teaches me that there are Christians who are sons and there are Christians who are servants. its up to you to choose what kind of a christian you want to be before God; its not up to God bc God has laid it clear before us!!! if you are a "christian son", God will treat you as one; and if you are a "christian servant", God will equally treat you as one!!!

 

[heavenly_bound]

no...sin does not destroy our relationship with God from His side as He already provided perfect atonement

if we sin, we know that God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin (s) when we confess them

the fact that scriptures states that God is faithful and just to forgive, indicates He is upholding His own words...because of the sacrifice of Jesus, He must forgive...He is just...He does not consider whether or not to forgive...we are forgiven..

now, on the other hand? sin will ruin our relationship with God and others if we believe it does

I used to wait for days before going to God and saying "I goofed again. I'm sorry' Then, I felt like a hypocrite if I would say 'sorry' 10 times a day, catching myself doing what I had just asked forgiveness for...

it's not how we feel that creates forgiveness however...it is accepting what God has already done on our behalf

why would you want to keep hurting someone who loved you so much they died for you?

if we see sin as an act apart from what God has provided, I think a person can reach the mistaken conclusion that they are in and out of salvation

it's like walking on ice...you think the ice is thin, but as you progress, you find it holds your weight and does not crack...that's a bit of a simple analogy, but God's forgiveness holds up...we don't wear it out or break it

I don't think we really understand salvation if we think we loose God when we sin...the other thing is, what happens if you die right after sinning? are you lost? not according to scripture

who is keeping a record of our sins? is God? or people? I bet it's people...

WELL SAID SIS!!! BLESSED

 

[Adstar]

So many people are stuck in the Works of the Law salvation.. Because that’s the way humans think is right.. Lets face it in human to human relationships people strive to make themselves admirable to the ones that want to attract.. Humans strive to make themselves attractive to others to win their affection.. We go out of our way to be polite and charming and good looking and winners and so on and so on.. That's the way that seems right to men and woman.. From our very early age we as kids know if we want to make mom and dad happy we got to be good boys and girls and do what ever our parents tell us to do..

So it is no big surprise that people think the Way to get right with God in a religion is done with the same technique.. Doing the Law.. Doing religious ceremonies.. Doing charity.. Earning goody, goody points.. Winning the love and admiration of God through being a better person then the next guy or gal... There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof, are the ways of death... People just cannot grasp that God is Perfect and yes His standards are Perfect and that we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as a filthy rags to God..

The message of the scriptures is that No human being will ever justify themselves in front of God by their religious efforts as doing the Words of the Law or doing good works or works of religion.. If a men strives as hard has he can to do all the Works he will Never ever score that 100% pass mark that is essential with God.. scoring 99% is an absolute failure to God.. Anything less then pure perfection is an absolute failure to God.. God is perfect and His Eternal existence shall be perfect and He shall never allow anyone or anything who is not perfect to enter into His perfect eternal existence to contaminate it with their faults...

So there is only one Way to enter into eternity with God and that is by being deemed worthy through the righteousness of God.. And that is by being totally forgiven all ones faults through the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ... We don't get there by making ourselves worthy.. We are lifted up by God and washed clean by the Blood of Jesus so that we are accounted worthy of the promises of Christ... If we are too proud to let Jesus save us then we are doomed to fail because we are cursed with sin nature,, we have been sabotaged by satan in the garden of Eden.. We need to be saved... Because we cannot save ourselves..

This is really basic Christianity 101 people.. But sadly so many people simply cannot believe in the loving gift of God of salvation through the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. If we can be humble and contemplate these things we should understand that Eternity with God could only have ever been a loving Gift to us from God..

 

[heavenly_bound]

So many people are stuck in the Works of the Law salvation.. Because that’s the way humans think is right.. Lets face it in human to human relationships people strive to make themselves admirable to the ones that want to attract.. Humans strive to make themselves attractive to others to win their affection.. We go out of our way to be polite and charming and good looking and winners and so on and so on.. That's the way that seems right to men and woman.. From our very early age we as kids know if we want to make mom and dad happy we got to be good boys and girls and do what ever our parents tell us to do..

So it is no big surprise that people think the Way to get right with God in a religion is done with the same technique.. Doing the Law.. Doing religious ceremonies.. Doing charity.. Earning goody, goody points.. Winning the love and admiration of God through being a better person then the next guy or gal... There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof, are the ways of death... People just cannot grasp that God is Perfect and yes His standards are Perfect and that we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as a filthy rags to God..

The message of the scriptures is that No human being will ever justify themselves in front of God by their religious efforts as doing the Words of the Law or doing good works or works of religion.. If a men strives as hard has he can to do all the Works he will Never ever score that 100% pass mark that is essential with God.. scoring 99% is an absolute failure to God.. Anything less then pure perfection is an absolute failure to God.. God is perfect and His Eternal existence shall be perfect and He shall never allow anyone or anything who is not perfect to enter into His perfect eternal existence to contaminate it with their faults...

So there is only one Way to enter into eternity with God and that is by being deemed worthy through the righteousness of God.. And that is by being totally forgiven all ones faults through the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ... We don't get there by making ourselves worthy.. We are lifted up by God and washed clean by the Blood of Jesus so that we are accounted worthy of the promises of Christ... If we are too proud to let Jesus save us then we are doomed to fail because we are cursed with sin nature,, we have been sabotaged by satan in the garden of Eden.. We need to be saved... Because we cannot save ourselves..

This is really basic Christianity 101 people.. But sadly so many people simply cannot believe in the loving gift of God of salvation through the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. If we can be humble and contemplate these things we should understand that Eternity with God could only have ever been a loving Gift to us from God..

Perfect Adstar! he who has ears let him hear what the Spirit of Grace is saying this hr!!!!

 

[vic1980]

Hope it readable

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Shalom

 

[vic1980]

Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

This truth has not change for the past 2000 + years , why so you say huh. Umm clearly, in 1& 2 corinthinas Paul teaches to examine yourself if you are in Christ. In the Faith, THIS IS TOWARD BELIVERS IN CHRIST.

not sorry for caps at all...

Shalom

 

[disciplemike]

So many people are stuck in the Works of the Law salvation.. .

Maybe we should deal with the first falsehood.

Show me one post by anyone here who says that they are depending on the works of the law for their salvation.

 

[beta]

We should count ourselves BLESSED for being falsly accused and abused....
it's what they did to JESUS !

 

[graceNpeace]

Maybe we should deal with the first falsehood.

Show me one post by anyone here who says that they are depending on the works of the law for their salvation.

If you are insisting, as you are, that Christians are obliged to follow Levitical law, days and feasts according to Jewish tradition, then you are placing your faith in your own merit.
You are certainly not depending on Jesus Christ who has already fulfilled the righteous demands of the Law on our behalf. Acceptance of what Jesus Christ has done is by grace through faith. Your merit and striving has nothing to do with it.

Your ongoing fixation with obedience to the Law rather than the work of Jesus Christ on the cross puts you well and truly in the camp of the works of the Law.

 

[disciplemike]

If you are insisting, as you are, that Christians are obliged to follow Levitical law, days and feasts according to Jewish tradition, then you are placing your faith in your own merit.
You are certainly not depending on Jesus Christ who has already fulfilled the righteous demands of the Law on our behalf. Acceptance of what Jesus Christ has done is by grace through faith. Your merit and striving has nothing to do with it.

Your ongoing fixation with obedience to the Law rather than the work of Jesus Christ on the cross puts you well and truly in the camp of the works of the Law.

Where is the post that anyone here is depening on the law for salvation?
You can only accuse without proof.
Be fair and honest.
Show your proof.
Lying is not for "Christians".
Your jesus would not like lying.

and I already showed you, the term "jewish feast" is a falsehood. The feast are YHVH's.
Obeying the King is not legalism. Obeying the King just makes sense.
Come out of the fog of Babylon. Read the truth.

 

[graceNpeace]

Where is the post that anyone here is depening on the law for salvation?
You can only accuse without proof.
Be fair and honest.
Show your proof.
Lying is not for "Christians".
Your jesus would not like lying.

and I already showed you, the term "jewish feast" is a falsehood. The feast are YHVH's.
Obeying the King is not legalism. Obeying the King just makes sense.
Come out of the fog of Babylon. Read the truth.

DM you just love to hide your true beliefs, don't you?
You have been invited in the past to put up your beliefs in a Westminster confession of faith kind of style.
You have run a mile from that.

The truth is that you cannot afford to do that because it would show your hand and expose your beliefs as non-Christian.
We already know this - it is just you who labour on in the belief that you may be able to fool people.

You already have over a thousand posts on this forum aggressively pushing your agenda.
Perhaps you should go back and read them.
No unbiased observer could fail to see what your agenda is.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT about the Law, it is not about observing feasts and days.
It is not about justification by observance and obedience to days, laws, and feasts.

It is, however, about accepting by grace through faith that Jesus Christ, by His sacrificial death and blood shed on the cross, has completely and utterly fulfilled the righteous demands of the Law on our behalf.

 

[disciplemike]

DM you just love to hide your true beliefs, don't you?
You have been invited in the past to put up your beliefs in a Westminster confession of faith kind of style.
You have run a mile from that.

The truth is that you cannot afford to do that because it would show your hand and expose your beliefs as non-Christian.
We already know this - it is just you who labour on in the belief that you may be able to fool people.

You already have over a thousand posts on this forum aggressively pushing your agenda.
Perhaps you should go back and read them.
No unbiased observer could fail to see what your agenda is.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT about the Law, it is not about observing feasts and days.
It is not about justification by observance and obedience to days, laws, and feasts.

It is, however, about accepting by grace through faith that Jesus Christ, by His sacrificial death and blood shed on the cross, has completely and utterly fulfilled the righteous demands of the Law on our behalf.

Still waiting for you to show me the post where anyone here says that their salvation is by keeping the law.
waiting patiently.