To charge or not to charge...

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Acts 7:18-22 'and when Simon saw that through the laying on of hands by the apostles the Holy Spirit was given, he tried giving the preachers a large offering. ......Peter said unto him, your money perish with you. Because you thought you could buy with money God's gift.
....your heart is NOT RIGHT in the sight of God. Repent of this wickedness.'

Does this mean that if someone charges for the gospel that their heart is full of wickedness? Or was that just Simon's sin?
Enquiring mind wants to know. Smile. Don't yall just love His word?
 
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Acts 7:18-22 'and when Simon saw that through the laying on of hands by the apostles the Holy Spirit was given, he tried giving the preachers a large offering. ......Peter said unto him, your money perish with you. Because you thought you could buy with money God's gift.
....your heart is NOT RIGHT in the sight of God. Repent of this wickedness.'

Does this mean that if someone charges for the gospel that their heart is full of wickedness? Or was that just Simon's sin?
Enquiring mind wants to know. Smile. Don't yall just love His word?
Do love His word, but you may want to fastforward to the next chapter :).
 
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SteelToedKodiak

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Simon's sin in my opinion. The offering was not the evil component, it clearly was Simon's belief in it.
 

Blain

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the gospel is free of charge and if anyone wants to use the gospel to make money then I fear their futures, I know that I found it strange how people will write books about God and about lessons or teachings of his ministry and charge a pretty penny of course not all do I bought this amazing book for less than three dollars and it has blessed me beyond belief and helped me understand myself and God much better but I have seen people do this to make piles of cash
 
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My take is Simon was unlearned in God's ways, and ignorant in his desire to continue being looked up to and heeded by the people.

If someone charges for the gospel - for nothing other than monetary gain - not only is it wicked, but blasphemous as well for using God's name in vain.

Just my 2 cents worth.
 

Yet

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Simon's sin in my opinion. The offering was not the evil component, it clearly was Simon's belief in it.
But Peter said '...you thought you could purchase the gift of God'. Jesus told His aposyles 'freely you have received, FREELY give', seems pretty straight forward. I understand this train of thought is anathema to those who profit from the gospel by charging.
 

Yonah

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2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
 

kodiak

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Acts 7:18-22 'and when Simon saw that through the laying on of hands by the apostles the Holy Spirit was given, he tried giving the preachers a large offering. ......Peter said unto him, your money perish with you. Because you thought you could buy with money God's gift.
....your heart is NOT RIGHT in the sight of God. Repent of this wickedness.'

Does this mean that if someone charges for the gospel that their heart is full of wickedness? Or was that just Simon's sin?
Enquiring mind wants to know. Smile. Don't yall just love His word?
That doesn't say he was charging for the Gospel....It is saying he was taking money for the gift of the Holy Spirit...
 

Yet

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Yes, i can see how asking to buy the gift needs to be rebuked. He should have asked 'what must i do to be saved?' Then give a free will offering.

Maybe im talking apples and oranges here. I suppose. But how many do sell their ministries for hard cash, making merchandise of the folk making them think they must purchase God's favor. I cant think of one place where Jesus took up an offering for His ministry. Drop the apples. Lets talk oranges. Smile.
 

kodiak

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Yes, i can see how asking to buy the gift needs to be rebuked. He should have asked 'what must i do to be saved?' Then give a free will offering.

Maybe im talking apples and oranges here. I suppose. But how many do sell their ministries for hard cash, making merchandise of the folk making them think they must purchase God's favor. I cant think of one place where Jesus took up an offering for His ministry. Drop the apples. Lets talk oranges. Smile.
I don't know of a church that makes people think they must buy God's favor.....That is not what an offering is...
 
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The truth is that a person should not be charged for the Gospel,and the money that comes in to the ministry,has nothing to do with being charged for the Gospel,but it is for the needs of people,and whatever furthers the kingdom of God.

1.Jesus told the disciples,freely you have received,freely give,for Jesus is an example for He did not charge His disciples for the preaching of the Gospel,who is the head preacher.

2.Paul said that he coveted no man's silver,or gold,money,but labored only for his necessities,which is what the saints are supposed to do,help each other out with their needs,which Jesus said take no gold,or silver,or brass,with you when you go about preaching the Gospel from town to town,so it appears as if God provided for them,by the people that received the truth.

3.Paul said let everyone on the first day of the week lay up in store according as God has prospered them,so that there would be no gatherings when Paul came,which went for needs of people.The saints provided for the needs of Paul as he was travelling from place to place.

4.The Bible says the preacher is not to be in the ministry for the money,and having food,and clothing,be content,and God wants equality among the saints,that those that had little did not lack,and those that has a lot had nothing over.The preacher does not get blessed more than the least of the saints,and the saints are only to go by their needs.

5.The early Church sold all they had,even houses,and lands,and laid the money at the apostles feet,and they distributed the money to all the saints that had need,and had all things in common,which means they shared everything.

The money that goes to the ministry is not for the personal use of the preacher,but for the needs of people,but the people provided for the needs of Paul,as saints should do for each other,but the truth is how much do we actually see of that.

So while a lot of people will say that a lot of preachers are greedy for money,not properly using the money that comes in,or causing the people to think God is blessing them with that money to live a lavish lifestyle,especially television evangelists,and that a lot of people are trying to make a big profit off of Bible books,and other books that explain the Bible,and material,and that they are wrong,are correct in their pointing it out,for it happens a lot,way too much,which God said they think that godliness,is gain,monetary,and material,but God said,having food,and clothing,be content.

But while we point out the folly of the preacher,that does not do right,we also have to do right with our finances,and help the saints with their needs if possible.

The early Church sold all they had,and gave the money for the needs of the saints,and they shared everything,so we have to do that,and if we do not are we right to dog the preacher that does the same,but in that area of wanting money,and material things,for it would be money that they are abusing according to the kingdom of God,taking care of the saints needs,and not trying to make money off the Gospel,like the preacher.

But I suppose since it is the end time,and a lot of couples that are together act kind of on an individual level,instead of a team effort like it should be,the same goes for the people that claim Christ,that they kind of act on an individual level,instead of a team effort,which I am saying with couples,and a lot of people that claim Christ,of selfishness in that which is supposed to be a team effort.

Look at the world,and do we see people that claim Christ that sell all they have and give to the saints as they have need,and only going by food,and clothing,and sharing everything they have.

But I am sure we all been guilty of that,which I am pointing out we dog the preacher for wanting money,and material things,but then we do the same,but at least we are not trying to make money off the Gospel.
 

trofimus

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My opinion is that modesty is important.

If some servant receives money so he can do his job in his community or whatever, it is OK.

If he is getting rich from that (receiving much more than he needs and making business of the service), buying things he does not need (golden watches etc), it is wrong.
 

Zmouth

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My opinion is that modesty is important.

If some servant receives money so he can do his job in his community or whatever, it is OK.

If he is getting rich from that (receiving much more than he needs and making business of the service), buying things he does not need (golden watches etc), it is wrong.
Sounds more like abundant living

[video=youtube;aQuS6gBVxR4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQuS6gBVxR4[/video]

please be sure to be kind and rewind​
 

lastofall

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[for me anyway] it applies to anyone and everyone. Many until now seek to make the Gospel of Christ chargeable which includes the gift of the Holy Ghost: we ought to consider Judas who said "What will you give me, and I deliver Him to you": it is the same charge!
 
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From what I've read and in my experience it's not about the numbers it's about the message.
The preaching of the gospel should not be handled as a production. The basic core of it is one begger telling another where to find bread.
Jesus always thank the father ( for the ones you have sent me) God adds to the church (assembly) not man.
There is power in the gospels it doesn't need a big screen monitor, a state of the art audio system, a air conditioned convention ctr. All it needs is a willing heart that has heard and believes.
Now for one that is a teacher that is different imo. If one is called to teach the scriptures and his message is scriptural sound then if one is to be called the assembly should accommodate what would be needed not wanted for that speaker to address the needs. I think what has happend is that there is different callings and confusion on which is being presented here. Jesus did all 3 ministries, he preach, taught, he healed. Not saying that you are wrong with the money issues that are going on today and the hidden intent of some in the church. You are dead right in your convictions yet.
Jesus brought to us the (new thing) God was doing so all three ministries he was doing. Example...when Jesus preached the gospel ( repent for the kingdom of God is at hand he gained followers that were convicted by the holy spirit and were baptised adding to the kingdom. When he taught the 5000 4000, etc there were provision made for them to eat, by the hand of God through the people...how many fish, how many loaves etc, called his disciples to pass the baskets after asking God to make what was provided by the assembly to meet the needs.
When he healed in many situations the believers brought them to him or sought him out for this. Now this has been my observation on the scriptures if I am in error set me straight and ill stand corrected. But give this some consideration when addressing the issues of your conviction.

Peace