using Yahweh when writing about God

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Dan_473

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I don't like the idea of using Yahweh, Jehovah, YHWH, or versions of those when writing about God.

because the Apostles never did it

and because Jesus Christ is the only name available to humans that can save us. If the name God used for himself is available to us now, then theoretically that would save us, too.

just a quick note... oops... I don't normally use "Yahweh" when quoting bible passages... that was a cut-and-paste out of the World English Bible and I forgot to change it

PS to Dan...oft times when reading the OT I refer to the Lord as Yahweh, most times for thqaa matter...........it is one of His apellations, the one He gave to Moses...

Hi JaumeJ,

I'll be glad to talk about using "Yahweh" on another thread, this one being for praises and all...

let me know, plzzzzz!

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Thank you. If there is any part of it that may facillitate anything yo wish to post, fine, go ahead, but as another post from me on the subject, I am afraid I have worn folks out on it. It is always worthy to share this only because it opens so muchunderstanding of the wisdom of our Maker. When I fist came to Jesus Christ, I was angry with everyone including the idea or Jesus Christ projected by so many so-called believers. I prayed to "You are Who You Are," and I got a response immediately, and I was led by the Fathe rto Jesus Christ..........God is One and we all understand this verly little. It is a mystery to be revealed, but for now I am content with the words of Isaiah 9;6 where the names the Child to be born to the Virgin would be called. Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Ruler of Peace, Counselor, Wonderful..........all the names of the Fasther, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Yet, God IS One, I believe all the above because Jesus says it is true.........Love in Yeshua...jack

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JaumeJ said:
I do not mind participatingin anotherthread on the subject of the titles of our Maker, but some folsk have become quite bored with my share on the subject.

Now I am not being a smart alek when I as you if you know what a gerund is in speech. If you do know it is the nominative form of an infinitie, then the following should make perfect sense.

Yahweh is the gerund form of the Hbrew ver, Hayah, or to be. It is transitive thoug, meaning Yahweh is self-existing. You may call Him Self-existing, just as Jesus may be called The Salvation of Yahweh with all accuracy.

All other names of Jesus, including Jesus, are transliterations of one language or another, including Yeshua. His disciples most likely did call Him Yeshua, but with understanding because they spoke Hebrew/Aramaic so a Hebrew name was already translated for them.

Jesus, Yesu, Iesous and any other lingual form of a transliteration of Yeshua to a language all mean, if actually taken back to the original tongue, The Salvation of Yahweh (God).

Readwhat the Angelof Yahweh said to Mary to name the Child........and why, an you will understand implicitly that what I have shared here is true. God bless you always...in Yeshua.........jack
shall I post this and my response on the Bible Discussion Forum?
 
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It depends on what Bible you read. The Old King James Bible uses Jehovah. The New King James Bible uses Yahweh. Yeshua is the Hebrew word for Jesus. I know that Jesus spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Anyway Yahweh and Jehovah both mean the same thing (the Lord).Let's look at the word Hallelujah. Jah is short for Jehovah which means the Lord. Hallel= to give praise Jah= the Lord. The word hallelujah means to give praise to the Lord. The Jewish people never called him Jehovah or Yahweh because they had respect for God and felt that Jehovah &Yahweh were sacred names. They referred to God as I AM. Jesus is the Great I AM therefore proving that Jesus is God. Read John Chapter 8:56-58 "Your Father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." 57 Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" 58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 says 14 And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM. And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you. I use both of these Scriptures to show people the truth from God's Word. Cult groups always deny the deity of Christ.John17:3 says 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. Preacha24-7
 
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God knows our hearts and intercedes for us, even when we can't form words to pray.
 

Dan_473

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It depends on what Bible you read. The Old King James Bible uses Jehovah. The New King James Bible uses Yahweh. Yeshua is the Hebrew word for Jesus. I know that Jesus spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Anyway Yahweh and Jehovah both mean the same thing (the Lord).Let's look at the word Hallelujah. Jah is short for Jehovah which means the Lord. Hallel= to give praise Jah= the Lord. The word hallelujah means to give praise to the Lord. The Jewish people never called him Jehovah or Yahweh because they had respect for God and felt that Jehovah &Yahweh were sacred names. They referred to God as I AM. Jesus is the Great I AM therefore proving that Jesus is God. Read John Chapter 8:56-58 "Your Father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." 57 Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" 58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 says 14 And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM. And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you. I use both of these Scriptures to show people the truth from God's Word. Cult groups always deny the deity of Christ.John17:3 says 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. Preacha24-7
all very true... the kjv and nkjv use some form of yahweh in the old testament... for the new, they use some form of "the Lord", even in places where [yhwh] was used in a quote from the OT.

since we live in NT times, to me it makes sense to follow that pattern.
 

Dan_473

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here's another way to look at it

Joel 2:32 It will happen that whoever will call on the name of [yhwh] shall be saved

acts 2:21 It will be that whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved

acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

will calling on the name of [yhwh] today save a person?
is it available to humans today?
 

JaumeJ

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God knows our hearts and intercedes for us, even when we can't form words to pray.
This statement is absolutely true.

Now I would like to share just some of what is in my heart when I strive to learn as much about God as is given me to be possible, attmpting to be a good steward of the Word of Yahweh, GÇod.

Moses was given the name to give th Chosen of God,that being Yahweh. I was tanslated as best possible by the then translaters as Iam, and I am that I am.This is because we in most western languages to not have a transitive form of the verb, to be.. It is more accurately translated to English as the Self-Existing Who Is.

What omces to my heart and mind knowing this? The prophet Joel tells us that in the latter days it shall be that whoseoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh will be sved. Now how can this be joyous and comforting? How does this show the love, compassion and merdy of God? In the days of tribulation to come, any individutal who calls on the One Who Is will be saved. How is this possible in light of our teaching about Salvation in Jesus Christ. If a person calls on "Whoever You Are" for His Help, that individual is peaing for the Salvation of God, Jesus, though not yet knowig it fully, he does indeed mean every word of his plea.

Yes, the night I was "saved" I prayed to "You are Who you Are," I went on to say, Whoever you are, I would like to know you, and even serve you if there is good to come out of all the pain and suffering in this world. God wasted no time in answering me that very night in a dream. The following day, because of meditation on the dream, I realized God is all that matters and this material world and all that it contains is not important, and though I realized all mankind was evil, I had not yet applied that to myself. The realization that I am part of man kindsaid loudly, "Hey, I am a man, and I too am part of this evil. You are It.k" The Holy Spirit enterd into me, and I knew in an instant that allwas going to be juste fine in Jesusw Christ.

It does not matter if you call God God, the Maker, Yahweh, Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Wonderful, Counselor, Ruler of Peace, King, Lord of HOsts, El Elyon, or any number of other names as long as one is aware He is talking of or to the Only Living God.

No one need study Hebrew ever, but some who love the Lordd will learn more to understand more of His Word, and the light given by doing something as simple as translating a name in place of using a transliteration.

The tranlation to English of Jesus, Yeshu, Iesous, and Yeshua is simple, The Salvation of God.......

Hey, Google Bethlehm and find ut that the Bread from Heaven (a title Jesus used once in reference to Himself) was born in a town called House of Bread....Beit Lechem..

There can be no harm in understanding more of God's Word, and God forbid, anyone fault another for sharing more true knowledge of God.

So what is in my heart is the pleasure of doing what I am given to be able to do to please God in learning of His Word and how those words not completely translated may be with a click of a mouse key in a search, and result in new understanding of His Word, with new and greater light.

So yes, it is what is in the heart, and this declaration is not intended to negate the work of people who may exedute their stewardship in a manner not quite the same ass the majority, but keep in mind, our nation, our Kingdom is not of this age so majority rules and/or voting on truth has no bearing on what is true and what is not. ÇGod's seal by the Holy Spirit is the only tru witness.

Yes, it truly is what is in the heart, but do not ever infer that you know what is in the hearts of others, for only God know these deep things of mankind.

God bless all who are in Yeshua, and who are not intimidated by know all possible about Him, amen.
 

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I absolutely agree, and seeing that God exalts His Word above His Name, then we also ought not to be fretting over such matter's that are of none effect, but are only a distraction from "hearing His Word".
 

JaumeJ

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Yes oft times the reach is only exceeded by one's wisdom.
 
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I don't like the idea of using Yahweh, Jehovah, YHWH, or versions of those when writing about God.

because the Apostles never did it

and because Jesus Christ is the only name available to humans that can save us. If the name God used for himself is available to us now, then theoretically that would save us, too.
I would suggest God does not have a name as you or I to help differentiate one from another. All the names as authorities in the scripture speak of his invisible a immutable attributes. God is not a man as us.

Calling the work of his Spirit Jesus as savor, or Jehovah means the same. In that way we could say Joshua is savor all of those names represent a savor.

Same one Lord by which every knee will bow.

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become “my salvation”.

Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:


From my experiences one difference comes when interpreting the passage in respect to God calling out a nation unto himself to represent the eternal rest we do have in our savior Jehovah. Wher before that he called one man at a time.

Below he uses to different attributes to express his one person. name are attributes not persons (plural)

Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAHwas I not known to them.
 

JaumeJ

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There is nothing wrong with using any appellation of the Living God. It is a little bit of a wonder how English speakiing believers have settled upon the word god for God. This word may be traced back to Sanskrit, however its true origin from before this reasearchable state is unknown.

Sanskrit, Hebrew, Greek etc........as long as one is calling upon th Living God, no one should be offended by any applelation unless someone is insistting his or her election is the only choice. If this latter is the case, I am afraid reason has gone out the window.
 

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Hmm, maybe we should discuss using God when writing about Yahweh?
 

JaumeJ

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According to the Prophet, Zephaniah, when we are in the Kingdom our Father is going to return
to us a pure tongue so all may call uponHim with One Name.

If we study the Word we find our Father knows every thing, even our wonderiment about a name to call Him.

It's in the Book......
 

Dan_473

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This statement is absolutely true.

Now I would like to share just some of what is in my heart when I strive to learn as much about God as is given me to be possible, attmpting to be a good steward of the Word of Yahweh, GÇod.

Moses was given the name to give th Chosen of God,that being Yahweh. I was tanslated as best possible by the then translaters as Iam, and I am that I am.This is because we in most western languages to not have a transitive form of the verb, to be.. It is more accurately translated to English as the Self-Existing Who Is.

What omces to my heart and mind knowing this? The prophet Joel tells us that in the latter days it shall be that whoseoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh will be sved. Now how can this be joyous and comforting? How does this show the love, compassion and merdy of God? In the days of tribulation to come, any individutal who calls on the One Who Is will be saved. How is this possible in light of our teaching about Salvation in Jesus Christ. If a person calls on "Whoever You Are" for His Help, that individual is peaing for the Salvation of God, Jesus, though not yet knowig it fully, he does indeed mean every word of his plea.

Yes, the night I was "saved" I prayed to "You are Who you Are," I went on to say, Whoever you are, I would like to know you, and even serve you if there is good to come out of all the pain and suffering in this world. God wasted no time in answering me that very night in a dream. The following day, because of meditation on the dream, I realized God is all that matters and this material world and all that it contains is not important, and though I realized all mankind was evil, I had not yet applied that to myself. The realization that I am part of man kindsaid loudly, "Hey, I am a man, and I too am part of this evil. You are It.k" The Holy Spirit enterd into me, and I knew in an instant that allwas going to be juste fine in Jesusw Christ.

It does not matter if you call God God, the Maker, Yahweh, Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Wonderful, Counselor, Ruler of Peace, King, Lord of HOsts, El Elyon, or any number of other names as long as one is aware He is talking of or to the Only Living God.

No one need study Hebrew ever, but some who love the Lordd will learn more to understand more of His Word, and the light given by doing something as simple as translating a name in place of using a transliteration.

The tranlation to English of Jesus, Yeshu, Iesous, and Yeshua is simple, The Salvation of God.......

Hey, Google Bethlehm and find ut that the Bread from Heaven (a title Jesus used once in reference to Himself) was born in a town called House of Bread....Beit Lechem..

There can be no harm in understanding more of God's Word, and God forbid, anyone fault another for sharing more true knowledge of God.

So what is in my heart is the pleasure of doing what I am given to be able to do to please God in learning of His Word and how those words not completely translated may be with a click of a mouse key in a search, and result in new understanding of His Word, with new and greater light.

So yes, it is what is in the heart, and this declaration is not intended to negate the work of people who may exedute their stewardship in a manner not quite the same ass the majority, but keep in mind, our nation, our Kingdom is not of this age so majority rules and/or voting on truth has no bearing on what is true and what is not. ÇGod's seal by the Holy Spirit is the only tru witness.

Yes, it truly is what is in the heart, but do not ever infer that you know what is in the hearts of others, for only God know these deep things of mankind.

God bless all who are in Yeshua, and who are not intimidated by know all possible about Him, amen.

the apostles would have known all this, yet they never ever used yhwh or yahweh. Have you learned something they didn't know?
 
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Hi Dan, any place you see LORD in the OT that means it was substituted for YAHWEH which is God's name, like your name is Dan. Whenwe see Lord it would translate Adonai or master.

In the OT He had compound names, used to describe His character. An example YAHWEH ELOHIM, speaks of God our Creator.

There is no law :) that says we must use Hebrew names or anglisized versions, He knows His name-in any language.
 
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It is wonderful how God stresses that with languages He is called by many names, yet He is going to give all the nations a pure language and all will call on Him with One Name.

My personal understanding tells me it is not a language know in this age, not to all, but I do believe I have heard it before. It has no words yet it is understood implicetely when heard or spoken......Like when Jesus came into our lives, there were no words, yet we understand perfectly, all is going to be just fine because of Jesus Christ, amen.

Zep 3:9


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(ASV) For then will I turn to the peoples of a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Jehovah, to serve him with one consent.


(Brenton) For then will I turn to the peoples a tongue for her generation, that all may call on the name of the Lord, to serve him under one yoke.


(CEV) I will purify each language and make those languages acceptable for praising me. Then, with hearts united, everyone will serve only me, the LORD.


(Darby) For then will I turn to the peoples a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Jehovah, to serve him with one consent.


(DRB) Because then I will restore to the people a chosen lip, that all may call upon the name of the Lord, and may serve him with one shoulder.


(FDB) Car alors, je changerai la langue des peuples en une langue purifiée, pour qu'ils invoquent tous le nom de l'Éternel pour le servir d'un seul coeur.


(FLS) Alors je donnerai aux peuples des lèvres pures, Afin qu'ils invoquent tous le nom de l'Éternel, Pour le servir d'un commun accord.


(HOT) כי־אז אהפך אל־עמים שׂפה ברורה לקרא כלם בשׁם יהוה לעבדו שׁכם אחד׃


(HOT+) כיH3588 אזH227 אהפךH2015 אלH413 עמיםH5971 שׂפהH8193 ברורהH1305 לקראH7121 כלםH3605 בשׁםH8034 יהוהH3068 לעבדוH5647 שׁכםH7926 אחד׃H259


(HSB) כִּֽי־ H3588 ki- For אָ֛ז H227 'az then אֶהְפֹּ֥ךְ H2015 'eh·Poch For then will I turn אֶל־ H413 'el- to עַמִּ֖ים H5971 'am·Mim to the people שָׂפָ֣ה H8193 sa·Fah language בְרוּרָ֑ה H1305 ve·ru·Rah; a pure לִקְרֹ֤א H7121 lik·Ro that they may all call כֻלָּם֙ H3605 chul·Lam all בְּשֵׁ֣ם H8034 be·Shem upon the name יְהוָ֔ה H3068 Yah·weh, of the LORD לְעָבְד֖וֹ H5647 le·'a·ve·Do to serve שְׁכֶ֥ם H7926 she·Chem consent אֶחָֽד׃ H259 'e·Chad. him with one


(HSB3) כִּֽי־ H3588 אָ֛ז H227 אֶהְפֹּ֥ךְ H2015 אֶל־ H413 עַמִּ֖ים H5971 שָׂפָ֣ה H8193 בְרוּרָ֑ה H1305 לִקְרֹ֤א H7121 כֻלָּם֙ H3605 בְּשֵׁ֣ם H8034 יְהוָ֔ה H3068 לְעָבְד֖וֹ H5647 שְׁכֶ֥ם H7926 אֶחָֽד׃ H259


(INR) Allora io trasformerò le labbra dei popoli in labbra pure, affinché tutti invochino il nome del SIGNORE, per servirlo di comune accordo.


(IRL) Poiché allora io muterò in labbra pure le labbra dei popoli, affinché tutti invochino il nome dell'Eterno, per servirlo di pari consentimento.


(ISV) Indeed, then I will return my people to a pure language so that they all may call upon the name of the LORD, serving him with a united will."


(JPS) For then will I turn to the peoples a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.


(KJV) For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.


(KJV+) ForH3588 thenH227 will I turnH2015 toH413 the peopleH5971 a pureH1305 language,H8193 that they may allH3605 callH7121 upon the nameH8034 of the LORD,H3068 to serveH5647 him with oneH259 consent.H7926


(ROB) Atunci voi da popoarelor buze curate, ca toate să se roage Domnului şi cu râvnă să-I slujească Lui.


(SSE) Porque entonces volveré yo a los pueblos el lenguaje puro, para que todos invoquen el nombre del SEÑOR, para que de un solo consentimiento le sirvan.


(TKK) O zaman, birlikte bana yakarmaları, Omuz omuza bana hizmet etmeleri için, Halkların dudaklarını pak kılacağım.


(Vulgate) quia tunc reddam populis labium electum ut vocent omnes in nomine Domini et serviant ei umero uno


(Webster) For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
 

Dan_473

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Hi Dan, any place you see LORD in the OT that means it was substituted for YAHWEH which is God's name, like your name is Dan. Whenwe see Lord it would translate Adonai or master.

In the OT He had compound names, used to describe His character. An example YAHWEH ELOHIM, speaks of God our Creator.

There is no law :) that says we must use Hebrew names or anglisized versions, He knows His name-in any language.
all true!

the apostles also used "lord" when they quoted on OT passage where yhwh occurs... that would be the pattern they layed down... :)
 

Dan_473

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God calls himself yhwh about 7,000 times in the OT...

zero in the New.

to me, that's important... it means something...
 

Dan_473

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It is wonderful how God stresses that with languages He is called by many names...
I'm sure you know that in hebrew thought, naming something shows power over that thing...

"The man gave names to all livestock, and to the birds of the sky, and to every animal of the field"

of course, how it will be pronounced will vary from one person to another.
 

JaumeJ

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In turn, it is certain you are aware that Yahweh named Himself for Moses and the Children of Israel.

My own manner of thinking says clearly I have no power over anyone, not even over myself when it comes to Salvation, it is all the work of Jesus Christ. I do not want power over anything or anyone. My prayer is that God always be over me and all with which I ma to deal.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ and hear Him, amen.

I'm sure you know that in hebrew thought, naming something shows power over that thing...

"The man gave names to all livestock, and to the birds of the sky, and to every animal of the field"

of course, how it will be pronounced will vary from one person to another.
 

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Jesus told us to address God as "Father". "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name..."

That name makes God more reachable and loving to me.