Book of Enoch, chapter 6
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My dear friend and Christian author, Jim Minker had something to say about that.
Jim wrote:
"Regarding whether angels mated with humans producing a mixed offspring, there has been much speculation. I'm not sure what to make of it, but I sure wouldn't hang my hat on any conclusions made under such slim information.
Perhaps the aforementioned "sons of God" had a totally different denotation than what we might conclude using our highly developed formulas and rigid systems. What we can know about the Nephilim is that they were very large and very physically fit with hefty reputations.
Now I find it interesting that the Nephilim are not only mentioned in Genesis, but also in Numbers. I say interesting because there was a flood between the two times. Perhaps the word "Nephilim" has more to do with the stature of the particular people with such physical endowments. Did they use the word "Nephilim" during the time before the flood ... or was it the current word used to describe the giant races of men so that in referring to the time before the flood it also designated them as "Giants"? Like I say, lots of speculation.
Jim Minker "
Jim wrote:
"Regarding whether angels mated with humans producing a mixed offspring, there has been much speculation. I'm not sure what to make of it, but I sure wouldn't hang my hat on any conclusions made under such slim information.
Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, 'My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.' The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4
And then there's another reference in Numbers that designates the sons of Anak as part of the "Nephilim".
There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight. Numbers 13:33
Is the only explanation found in the premise of angels coming down to mate with humans? Is it even possible for angels to mate with humans, especially in view of Jesus' comment alluding to "the angels in heaven"?
Jesus replied, 'You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.' Matthew 22:29-30
Seems kind of strange that if the "sons of God" were angels who could be given in marriage to bear children with humans that Jesus would use their unlikeness with humans in that respect to highlight the obvious misunderstanding held by the Bible scholars of the day. As it was, those Scripture scholars seemed to have been sufficiently put in their places so that they didn't even dare to question his rebuttal. Apparently, they recognized this inability of the "angels of heaven". By the way, they had been trying to snag Jesus by using one of their many technical and complex conundrums (mysterious puzzles), but it backfired.
Perhaps the aforementioned "sons of God" had a totally different denotation than what we might conclude using our highly developed formulas and rigid systems. What we can know about the Nephilim is that they were very large and very physically fit with hefty reputations.
Now I find it interesting that the Nephilim are not only mentioned in Genesis, but also in Numbers. I say interesting because there was a flood between the two times. Perhaps the word "Nephilim" has more to do with the stature of the particular people with such physical endowments. Did they use the word "Nephilim" during the time before the flood ... or was it the current word used to describe the giant races of men so that in referring to the time before the flood it also designated them as "Giants"? Like I say, lots of speculation.
Jim Minker
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Question:
I wonder why we keep trying to analyze and understand the spiritual things of God with our intellect (own understanding, carnal mind) when his Word clearly tells us,
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned."
I wonder why we keep trying to analyze and understand the spiritual things of God with our intellect (own understanding, carnal mind) when his Word clearly tells us,
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned."
Hello Zmouth,
I don't know, but Jude quoted from Enoch, so God made sure that the information was included in his word. Also, the angels, the Watchers of heaven, referred to him as Enoch the scribe, if that is any indication.
"Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” (Jude 14)
I don't know, but Jude quoted from Enoch, so God made sure that the information was included in his word. Also, the angels, the Watchers of heaven, referred to him as Enoch the scribe, if that is any indication.
"Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” (Jude 14)
R
actually the argument that 'jude quoted from enoch' is not quite as indisputable as many people think...
i made a detailed post refuting arguments in favor of the authenticity of the book of enoch...including that one...a long time ago here...
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/47228-book-enoch-3.html#post771020
i made a detailed post refuting arguments in favor of the authenticity of the book of enoch...including that one...a long time ago here...
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/47228-book-enoch-3.html#post771020
R
My dear friend and Christian author, Jim Minker had something to say about that.
Jim wrote:
"Regarding whether angels mated with humans producing a mixed offspring, there has been much speculation. I'm not sure what to make of it, but I sure wouldn't hang my hat on any conclusions made under such slim information.
Perhaps the aforementioned "sons of God" had a totally different denotation than what we might conclude using our highly developed formulas and rigid systems. What we can know about the Nephilim is that they were very large and very physically fit with hefty reputations.
Now I find it interesting that the Nephilim are not only mentioned in Genesis, but also in Numbers. I say interesting because there was a flood between the two times. Perhaps the word "Nephilim" has more to do with the stature of the particular people with such physical endowments. Did they use the word "Nephilim" during the time before the flood ... or was it the current word used to describe the giant races of men so that in referring to the time before the flood it also designated them as "Giants"? Like I say, lots of speculation.
Jim Minker "
Jim wrote:
"Regarding whether angels mated with humans producing a mixed offspring, there has been much speculation. I'm not sure what to make of it, but I sure wouldn't hang my hat on any conclusions made under such slim information.
Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, 'My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.' The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4
And then there's another reference in Numbers that designates the sons of Anak as part of the "Nephilim".
There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight. Numbers 13:33
Is the only explanation found in the premise of angels coming down to mate with humans? Is it even possible for angels to mate with humans, especially in view of Jesus' comment alluding to "the angels in heaven"?
Jesus replied, 'You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.' Matthew 22:29-30
Seems kind of strange that if the "sons of God" were angels who could be given in marriage to bear children with humans that Jesus would use their unlikeness with humans in that respect to highlight the obvious misunderstanding held by the Bible scholars of the day. As it was, those Scripture scholars seemed to have been sufficiently put in their places so that they didn't even dare to question his rebuttal. Apparently, they recognized this inability of the "angels of heaven". By the way, they had been trying to snag Jesus by using one of their many technical and complex conundrums (mysterious puzzles), but it backfired.
Perhaps the aforementioned "sons of God" had a totally different denotation than what we might conclude using our highly developed formulas and rigid systems. What we can know about the Nephilim is that they were very large and very physically fit with hefty reputations.
Now I find it interesting that the Nephilim are not only mentioned in Genesis, but also in Numbers. I say interesting because there was a flood between the two times. Perhaps the word "Nephilim" has more to do with the stature of the particular people with such physical endowments. Did they use the word "Nephilim" during the time before the flood ... or was it the current word used to describe the giant races of men so that in referring to the time before the flood it also designated them as "Giants"? Like I say, lots of speculation.
Jim Minker
"
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/115631-torah-study-8.html#post2201734
Moving on to Chapter 8...
And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates,
and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them,
and bracelets, and ornaments,
and the use of antimony,
and the beautifying of the eyelids,
and all kinds of costly stones,
and all coloring tinctures.
Enoch 8.1
And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates,
and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them,
and bracelets, and ornaments,
and the use of antimony,
and the beautifying of the eyelids,
and all kinds of costly stones,
and all coloring tinctures.
Enoch 8.1
Hi Rachael,
The fact is that, the quote from Enoch is in the book of Jude and is therefore the inspired word of God. The book of Enoch, Ethiopic Enoch, goes into great details regarding Gen.6:1 and mentions the flood, gives us a better understanding why the flood took place, where Enoch went and those angels that sinned by taking wives from the daughters of men and why they had scrolls of sorcery, which is what Enoch states that those angels taught them. I believe that both Jude and Peter refer to these angles as those who put into chains of darkness under the earth, which Enoch also mentions. Also, Enoch was originally apart of the scriptures up until the third century.
The fact is that, the quote from Enoch is in the book of Jude and is therefore the inspired word of God. The book of Enoch, Ethiopic Enoch, goes into great details regarding Gen.6:1 and mentions the flood, gives us a better understanding why the flood took place, where Enoch went and those angels that sinned by taking wives from the daughters of men and why they had scrolls of sorcery, which is what Enoch states that those angels taught them. I believe that both Jude and Peter refer to these angles as those who put into chains of darkness under the earth, which Enoch also mentions. Also, Enoch was originally apart of the scriptures up until the third century.
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There is a reason Enoch isn't in scriptures. My thoughts are it's a demonically inspired manscript to confuse God's message and uses the name Enoch to make it more "authoritative".
It does make it easy to start genocides of "tainted" people though. Wonderful for justifying a new holocaust only the witch hunt gets to be those "fallen Angel spawns"
It does make it easy to start genocides of "tainted" people though. Wonderful for justifying a new holocaust only the witch hunt gets to be those "fallen Angel spawns"
I dunno about the giant bones. I know most, if not all, that are supposedly discovered end up being fakes. Hard to find a legit source with legit photos. But about the elongated skulls: this is a proven practice by some primitive tribes of wrapping their newborns' heads up tight enough to cause the deformity in the still soft skull (a lot like those women who stretch their necks even still).
I can't dispute the existence of giants since the bible clearly says they existed. I think the bible has them from 7-9 feet tall and no more. Been a while since I read Enoch, but I think it makes outrageous claims of giants being double that, and more. I know the history channel and discovery on TV has made claims of giant skeletons before, but never give sources, only mentions, and usually in those ancient alien shows or whatever.
Maybe the elongated skull people, giants, and reptilians are all from the Pleiades and are really our alien master race though. After all, "aliens did all the things". /s
edit: also noticed that shows like that absolutely love to quote enoch.
I can't dispute the existence of giants since the bible clearly says they existed. I think the bible has them from 7-9 feet tall and no more. Been a while since I read Enoch, but I think it makes outrageous claims of giants being double that, and more. I know the history channel and discovery on TV has made claims of giant skeletons before, but never give sources, only mentions, and usually in those ancient alien shows or whatever.
Maybe the elongated skull people, giants, and reptilians are all from the Pleiades and are really our alien master race though. After all, "aliens did all the things". /s
edit: also noticed that shows like that absolutely love to quote enoch.
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