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While Jesus never gave up any aspects of his deity while on earth, he chose not to use some of them in order to live as a man, anointed by the Holy Spirit. In regard to his omniscience, for instance, it was clear that he did not know everything in his earthly ministry and had to ask questions and learn the way others did (e.g., Mark 5:30-33 where Jesus wanted to know who had touched him). In doing so he was becoming the prototype for a new race of people called Christians, who would live as he lived, speak as he spoke, and do as he did through the same Holy Spirit he would pour out on the day of Pentecost.
The record of Jesus in the gospels is not, then, the story of an unreachable ideal, nor is Jesus to be separated into the moral Jesus (who is for today) and the miracle Jesus (who was for yesterday). All of Jesus is for today! This gives us a new look at the Christ as someone who could show us how to move in the gifts of the Spirit and do the kinds of things he did (even though the gospel writers do not use the later Pauline language about spiritual gifts).
The record of Jesus in the gospels is not, then, the story of an unreachable ideal, nor is Jesus to be separated into the moral Jesus (who is for today) and the miracle Jesus (who was for yesterday). All of Jesus is for today! This gives us a new look at the Christ as someone who could show us how to move in the gifts of the Spirit and do the kinds of things he did (even though the gospel writers do not use the later Pauline language about spiritual gifts).
P
Jesus was 100 percent God 100 percent man. A perfect example of the image of God. Also a example of how original sin has destroyed man as he was not born of it.
A man that only wanted to do the will of the father (the one who sent him) subduing his human nature to sin.
He definitely knew of his divinity but choose to become a servant rather than a deity, as was the will of the father for him. The example of pure love like this earth had never seen. Power in complete control.
David was a man after God's own heart....Jesus was God's heart.
His resurrection proving all he said and done is truth. A true master piece of God. A living sacrifice.
A man that only wanted to do the will of the father (the one who sent him) subduing his human nature to sin.
He definitely knew of his divinity but choose to become a servant rather than a deity, as was the will of the father for him. The example of pure love like this earth had never seen. Power in complete control.
David was a man after God's own heart....Jesus was God's heart.
His resurrection proving all he said and done is truth. A true master piece of God. A living sacrifice.
Jesus Christ was totally human, and He was tmepted with and overcame every temptation know to mankind.
He did this for us all so that His judgment is true, though it was anyway from the beginning, so that no one could fault Him for His judgment.
He prefers mercy, but unhappily there are many who simply hate God, mercy, love, or anyting that is inherently good.
When I think how He endured and overcame all the temptations to which I have fallen, I can only be humbled. Without Him, no one stands a chance, especially me.
Jesus Christ was not fully transfigured until forty days after His resurrection. Now he is God, Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Counselor, Comforter, and so much more..........
He is and always has been amazing. Praise Jesus Christ our Savior, amen.
He did this for us all so that His judgment is true, though it was anyway from the beginning, so that no one could fault Him for His judgment.
He prefers mercy, but unhappily there are many who simply hate God, mercy, love, or anyting that is inherently good.
When I think how He endured and overcame all the temptations to which I have fallen, I can only be humbled. Without Him, no one stands a chance, especially me.
Jesus Christ was not fully transfigured until forty days after His resurrection. Now he is God, Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Counselor, Comforter, and so much more..........
He is and always has been amazing. Praise Jesus Christ our Savior, amen.
I have to differ that Jesus is 100% human today. He did not ascend to the Throne in a physical body, rather in His celestial body, the body that one day all of us who join Him will "put on."
Taught in Scripture in several places. All one has to do is do a search of the subject to find the Scriptures.
The human body is IMPERFECT. To suggest that Jesus is IMPERFECT is just not Truth. He IS GOD. He is God the Son. He is PERFECTION!
(my thoughts)
Taught in Scripture in several places. All one has to do is do a search of the subject to find the Scriptures.
The human body is IMPERFECT. To suggest that Jesus is IMPERFECT is just not Truth. He IS GOD. He is God the Son. He is PERFECTION!
(my thoughts)
Here is a hint:
1 John
3
1 .) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 .) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 .) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1 John
3
1 .) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 .) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 .) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Acts 2
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Jesus body did not see corruption. He ascended into heaven in a physical body.. Jesus was not a spirit / ghost .
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Jesus body did not see corruption. He ascended into heaven in a physical body.. Jesus was not a spirit / ghost .
B
Jesus was totally God when He was with God before he came down. When He was on earth He was totally human. Like JJ said #9, Jesus had to be to be tempted as we are or there would be no correlation for us to understand.
Now Jesus is raised, He has picked up his divinity, but more than this, He is now become what we will be in the Kingdom because . Jesus is the First and gives us the vision of our Kingdom life to come.
Now Jesus is raised, He has picked up his divinity, but more than this, He is now become what we will be in the Kingdom because . Jesus is the First and gives us the vision of our Kingdom life to come.
Fully human???
What is it really to be 'fully human' when God created us also with a spirit and a soul?
Gen 6:3
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
KJV
Also flesh and what else?
Eccl 12:6-7
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV
You mean there's a silver cord connecting our spirit with our flesh body? Exactly what... goes back to God after flesh death?
Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
KJV
You mean our soul is not killed along with our flesh body? That's right.
What was that you were asking about 'humanity'?
What is it really to be 'fully human' when God created us also with a spirit and a soul?
Gen 6:3
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
KJV
Also flesh and what else?
Eccl 12:6-7
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV
You mean there's a silver cord connecting our spirit with our flesh body? Exactly what... goes back to God after flesh death?
Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
KJV
You mean our soul is not killed along with our flesh body? That's right.
What was that you were asking about 'humanity'?
Jesus was fully human,for if He was not then He could not be our mediator.
Only a sinless man can reconcile us to God,no man is sinless,so God manifest Himself in flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.
The man Christ Jesus is the personal human body,of the invisible God,and God's visible relationship to the saints forever,which the throne in heaven is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
God reconciled mankind to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony,and Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead,God's attributes,in a bodily form.
He is God personally revealing Himself to mankind,the Word of God,where the Bible is God revealing Himself to mankind by words in a book,the word of God.
Only a sinless man can reconcile us to God,no man is sinless,so God manifest Himself in flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.
The man Christ Jesus is the personal human body,of the invisible God,and God's visible relationship to the saints forever,which the throne in heaven is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
God reconciled mankind to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony,and Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead,God's attributes,in a bodily form.
He is God personally revealing Himself to mankind,the Word of God,where the Bible is God revealing Himself to mankind by words in a book,the word of God.
I looked up the council of Ephesus in 431 ad and I found I agree with Nestorius.
The virgin Mary can be called the Christotokos, birth giver of Christ, but not the Theotokos, the birth giver of God.
Even thought Christ Himself is God, Mary did not give birth to that aspect of Him. Catholics try to tell me that I am denying Christs divinity or Godhood if I say Mary did not give birth to God. I think I am more denying Marys godhood which is what they don't like.
What if the Lord Jesus Christ was not born from a person that was perfect in every way? What if the person Christ was born from had flaws? Does that stop God from being Perfect???
Apparently, in the mind of the religious.
Extremely silly view imo... But I don't have a whole lot of Popes on the old e-mail list asking me questions...
I guess I just have no problems with reconciling Christs Humanity, Christs Godhood, and Marys flaws and imperfections. I see Mary as a whole separate issue with only her virginity and dedication to God as unquestionable, which I think the scriptures support, what little they do say about her.
The virgin Mary can be called the Christotokos, birth giver of Christ, but not the Theotokos, the birth giver of God.
Even thought Christ Himself is God, Mary did not give birth to that aspect of Him. Catholics try to tell me that I am denying Christs divinity or Godhood if I say Mary did not give birth to God. I think I am more denying Marys godhood which is what they don't like.
What if the Lord Jesus Christ was not born from a person that was perfect in every way? What if the person Christ was born from had flaws? Does that stop God from being Perfect???
Apparently, in the mind of the religious.
Extremely silly view imo... But I don't have a whole lot of Popes on the old e-mail list asking me questions...
I guess I just have no problems with reconciling Christs Humanity, Christs Godhood, and Marys flaws and imperfections. I see Mary as a whole separate issue with only her virginity and dedication to God as unquestionable, which I think the scriptures support, what little they do say about her.
F
What began as an attempt to elevate Jesus and emphasize His deity (Mary, the mother of God), unfortunately became the very basis of the development of their bad theology. As the emphasis changed from Jesus to Mary, with the end product reducing Jesus to being merely a co-redeemer with His earthly mother.