The mighty man of God. Pray for him saints. Indeed pray. Hello!

[Yet]

Someone mentioned the 'man of God' recently, referring to his pastor and his sermon.

I asked 'are you not a man of God also'?

The 'church' has this warped understanding that one exalted man in their midst is somehow a 'special' person that God set up on high to rule over them....for pay. This is not in your bible.

Lets see how much this 'man of God' must suffer for the cause of Christ.

One: This poor fellow is forced to give up his low paying sweat shop factory job of 12 hour days, 6 and 7 days a week.

two: He is forced to live in a rent free parsonage.

Three: He is forced to receive adoration and praise from his congregants.

Four: He is forced to be taken out for dinner all the time.

Five: He is forced to be addressed by a special exalted title such as Bishop, Pastor, or Reverend.

Six: He is forced to prepare and give a 40 minute 7 point sermon once a week for a full weeks pay check of roughly 1500 dollars tax free. Depends on economic status of the congregation. He generally pulls more than the average sweat shopper.

Seven: He and his wife are forced to receive special love offerings for anniversaries, birthdays and such.

Eight: He is forced to receive a special offering if anything breaks down such as car, air conditioner, boat, camper, and such. Private jet for the fat cat pastors.

Nine: He is forced to make special trips to 'check the missionary work' in the Bahamas, Cancun, etc, etc..

Ten: He is forced to take many vacations for the 'man of God' is in dire need of rest and needs get alone with God for 'a time of refreshing'.

Eleven: He is forced most of the week to doing nothing...how boring.

Twelve: He is forced to have His celebrety name at the top of church letter head, and on marque.

Yes. These are the true marks of a bonafide 'Man of God'. The stress, the strain, the commitment, the self sacrifice, the long agonizing hours, the hardship, the jet lag, the awesome responsibilty, those lonely hours, those steak dinners, those mission work trips to the sandy beaches of the Bahamas. Indeed, the sufferings of Christ that he must endure! Who can bear it?

Please pray for your 'man of God', that he doesn't burn out.

Now. The book of Acts 20.35. I have shown you all these things that you elders/leaders should humbly work jobs to support the hurting.
In a word...or two. No titles, no ego, Matt.23:4-12, no 'lording it over His heritage' 1Peter5, 3John, and no sponging off of grandma and the rest, Acts 20.

I, your consistant mean teacher of the simple word of God would be more than happy to come to your assembly, teach the truth, wash your feet, serve at your tables, wear no special title that exalts me, and i'll do it all for free, no salary, no pay, no filthy lucre, no false tithing doctrine, but i'd be more than thrilled to help support grandma and those sheep that are struggling financially. Keep my name off the letter head and marque. That's the sin of arrogance. Not for me.

I'll start packing my bags right away. Give me your location. Private message me if you like. Do i have any takers?......i thought not. That's how brainwashed the 'church' is. How far from the gospel it has fallen. How apostate it has become. How deceived it is. A few will finally get this. But just a few ...i fear.

 

[Yet]

Oh my word! How careless of me. I forgot to mention 'Pastor Appreciation Day'. Dig deep into that wallet! Your man of God deserves a special offering. I'm not smiling. The nausea won't have it.

 

[hornetguy]

Give it a rest, already.

You've already shown that you don't want to be part of the solution... you just want to sit in your easy chair and carp about it constantly. It got old a long time back...

You seem to have SO much to give a church, YET you choose to sit in your living room and play the martyr instead of getting involved and walking the walk... Love you, brother....

 

[LaurenTM]

how do you see yourself fitting into the body of Christ yet?

 

[notuptome]

Mt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I, your consistant mean teacher of the simple word of God would be more than happy to come to your assembly, teach the truth, wash your feet, serve at your tables, wear no special title that exalts me, and i'll do it all for free, no salary, no pay, no filthy lucre, no false tithing doctrine, but i'd be more than thrilled to help support grandma and those sheep that are struggling financially. Keep my name off the letter head and marque. That's the sin of arrogance. Not for me.

I'll start packing my bags right away. Give me your location. Private message me if you like. Do i have any takers?......i thought not. That's how brainwashed the 'church' is. How far from the gospel it has fallen. How apostate it has become. How deceived it is. A few will finally get this. But just a few ...i fear.

You just don’t get it.

God has placed every member in the body as it has pleased Him (1 Cor 12:18).

You are where you are because God is pleased. God wants you to participate right where you are!

 

[Dan_473]

Someone mentioned the 'man of God' recently, referring to his pastor and his sermon.

I asked 'are you not a man of God also'?

The 'church' has this warped understanding that one exalted man in their midst is somehow a 'special' person that God set up on high to rule over them....for pay. This is not in your bible.

Lets see how much this 'man of God' must suffer for the cause of Christ.

One: This poor fellow is forced to give up his low paying sweat shop factory job of 12 hour days, 6 and 7 days a week.

two: He is forced to live in a rent free parsonage.

Three: He is forced to receive adoration and praise from his congregants.

Four: He is forced to be taken out for dinner all the time.

Five: He is forced to be addressed by a special exalted title such as Bishop, Pastor, or Reverend.

Six: He is forced to prepare and give a 40 minute 7 point sermon once a week for a full weeks pay check of roughly 1500 dollars tax free. Depends on economic status of the congregation. He generally pulls more than the average sweat shopper.

Seven: He and his wife are forced to receive special love offerings for anniversaries, birthdays and such.

Eight: He is forced to receive a special offering if anything breaks down such as car, air conditioner, boat, camper, and such. Private jet for the fat cat pastors.

Nine: He is forced to make special trips to 'check the missionary work' in the Bahamas, Cancun, etc, etc..

Ten: He is forced to take many vacations for the 'man of God' is in dire need of rest and needs get alone with God for 'a time of refreshing'.

Eleven: He is forced most of the week to doing nothing...how boring.

Twelve: He is forced to have His celebrety name at the top of church letter head, and on marque.

Yes. These are the true marks of a bonafide 'Man of God'. The stress, the strain, the commitment, the self sacrifice, the long agonizing hours, the hardship, the jet lag, the awesome responsibilty, those lonely hours, those steak dinners, those mission work trips to the sandy beaches of the Bahamas. Indeed, the sufferings of Christ that he must endure! Who can bear it?

Please pray for your 'man of God', that he doesn't burn out.

Now. The book of Acts 20.35. I have shown you all these things that you elders/leaders should humbly work jobs to support the hurting.
In a word...or two. No titles, no ego, Matt.23:4-12, no 'lording it over His heritage' 1Peter5, 3John, and no sponging off of grandma and the rest, Acts 20.

I, your consistant mean teacher of the simple word of God would be more than happy to come to your assembly, teach the truth, wash your feet, serve at your tables, wear no special title that exalts me, and i'll do it all for free, no salary, no pay, no filthy lucre, no false tithing doctrine, but i'd be more than thrilled to help support grandma and those sheep that are struggling financially. Keep my name off the letter head and marque. That's the sin of arrogance. Not for me.

I'll start packing my bags right away. Give me your location. Private message me if you like. Do i have any takers?......i thought not. That's how brainwashed the 'church' is. How far from the gospel it has fallen. How apostate it has become. How deceived it is. A few will finally get this. But just a few ...i fear.

the Bible records a lot about people who build things up

"Nehemiah 3:1 Then Eliashib the high priest rose up with his brothers the priests, and they built the sheep gate; they sanctified it, and set up its doors; even to the tower of Hammeah they sanctified it, to the tower of Hananel."

very little about people who only want to tear things down.

 

[prodigal]

a wise person once said if you have nothing good to say.. why say anything at all.
heres's another
why curse the darkness when you can light a candle

[h=1]1 Corinthians 4:15New King James Version (NKJV)[/h]15 For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

 

[hornetguy]

why curse the darkness when you can light a candle

YES!! That says it all...

 

[mpaper345]

It is true that a lot of preachers like to convince the congregation that they get to receive more for they are in that position,especially television evangelists,like Joyce Meyer who acts like what do they care how I spend the money coming in,but all money coming in is for the needs of the saints,and the poor,not for the personal use of the preachers,and ministers,to buy expensive houses,and vehicles,and material objects to decorate their house,and to do the same for their offspring,that live high on the hog,acting as if they deserve that lavish lifestyle,when the Bible says without Jesus we can do nothing,so the glory goes to God,so what difference does it make what position a saint is in from the least to the preacher,God gets the glory,for without Him we can do nothing.

But that is in the truth,without God we can do nothing,as far as being in the truth,and representing that truth,but if you are a crooked preacher,then the truth does not apply so they can do something,but it is not of God.

Preachers do not get blessed anymore than any other saint,and it is true at a lot of Churches the preachers act as if they deserve that lifestyle,which the Church does finance his above living like a saint lifestyle,and finance his vacations,and brithdays,and anniversaries,and anything to do with how he feels fit to enjoy,which is ridiculous.

The Bible says that God wants equality among the saints,where those that had little had no lack,and those that had much had nothing left over,in other words what you need to suffice you,not what you desire,which some pray amiss to heap it unto their lusts.

The early Church sold all they had,and laid it at the disciples feet,and they distributed the money to all the saints that had need,and shared everything.

The preacher is not to be in the ministry for the money.

Having food,and clothing,be content.

God blesses all the saints equally,and not one above the other,which the Bible states that God wants equality among them,and the preacher does not get more than any other saint,for the glory goes to God,so how can they act like they deserve more than anybody else for their position,if God is the one that leads,and Paul said he did not covet any persons gold,silver,money,or apparel,but only labored for his necessities,which is food,and clothing.

If the preachers get to be blessed like that,where is the pew sitters lavish lifestyle,and their special days,and vacations,financed.

I did not think too much about it as far as it bothering me,although I knew they were crooked,but Yet pointing it out so much,is actually making me mad,because it got me stirred up concerning their taking advantage of the saints,when the money is supposed to go to the poor.

Sometimes I think,especially television evangelists,like they really do not believe,but found a way to make an easy living,for how can they miss what is in the Bible,when they claim to be an authority in the Bible,but I suppose they cannot see it,but that is because they do not want to see it,which the Bible says they suppose that godliness is gain,material,and money.

Not everybody looks at the Bible according to what it really reads,but some people want to hear it the way they want to hear it,and those type of preachers like to hear it,living high on the hog,but like Jesus said concerning the Pharisees,and people like them,they have their reward.

 

[Yet]

Many keep asking why i keep hammering on this one topic.

One: its the fondational truth of the ecclesia. It's ignored with disdain. Most christians proclaim Hillarys answer: 'at this point, what difference does it make?' The difference is the life or the death of the body of Christ. Think Sardis, Laodcea.

Two: no one else is speaking to it. I'm a lone voice in the wilderness. I believe there are some closet believers that fear to chime in. It's like political correctness. No one wants to be beat up.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Someone mentioned the 'man of God' recently, referring to his pastor and his sermon.

I asked 'are you not a man of God also'?

The 'church' has this warped understanding that one exalted man in their midst is somehow a 'special' person that God set up on high to rule over them....for pay. This is not in your bible.

Lets see how much this 'man of God' must suffer for the cause of Christ.

One: This poor fellow is forced to give up his low paying sweat shop factory job of 12 hour days, 6 and 7 days a week.

two: He is forced to live in a rent free parsonage.

Three: He is forced to receive adoration and praise from his congregants.

Four: He is forced to be taken out for dinner all the time.

Five: He is forced to be addressed by a special exalted title such as Bishop, Pastor, or Reverend.

Six: He is forced to prepare and give a 40 minute 7 point sermon once a week for a full weeks pay check of roughly 1500 dollars tax free. Depends on economic status of the congregation. He generally pulls more than the average sweat shopper.

Seven: He and his wife are forced to receive special love offerings for anniversaries, birthdays and such.

Eight: He is forced to receive a special offering if anything breaks down such as car, air conditioner, boat, camper, and such. Private jet for the fat cat pastors.

Nine: He is forced to make special trips to 'check the missionary work' in the Bahamas, Cancun, etc, etc..

Ten: He is forced to take many vacations for the 'man of God' is in dire need of rest and needs get alone with God for 'a time of refreshing'.

Eleven: He is forced most of the week to doing nothing...how boring.

Twelve: He is forced to have His celebrety name at the top of church letter head, and on marque.

Yes. These are the true marks of a bonafide 'Man of God'. The stress, the strain, the commitment, the self sacrifice, the long agonizing hours, the hardship, the jet lag, the awesome responsibilty, those lonely hours, those steak dinners, those mission work trips to the sandy beaches of the Bahamas. Indeed, the sufferings of Christ that he must endure! Who can bear it?

Please pray for your 'man of God', that he doesn't burn out.

Now. The book of Acts 20.35. I have shown you all these things that you elders/leaders should humbly work jobs to support the hurting.
In a word...or two. No titles, no ego, Matt.23:4-12, no 'lording it over His heritage' 1Peter5, 3John, and no sponging off of grandma and the rest, Acts 20.

I, your consistant mean teacher of the simple word of God would be more than happy to come to your assembly, teach the truth, wash your feet, serve at your tables, wear no special title that exalts me, and i'll do it all for free, no salary, no pay, no filthy lucre, no false tithing doctrine, but i'd be more than thrilled to help support grandma and those sheep that are struggling financially. Keep my name off the letter head and marque. That's the sin of arrogance. Not for me.

I'll start packing my bags right away. Give me your location. Private message me if you like. Do i have any takers?......i thought not. That's how brainwashed the 'church' is. How far from the gospel it has fallen. How apostate it has become. How deceived it is. A few will finally get this. But just a few ...i fear.

American pastors get all those perks??? Everything I have highlighted in bold from your OP is not true of my pastor. He was a civil engineer and gave it up to preach and as a result of this gets paid much less, he gets one holiday a year (is that too much to ask?) and lives in mundane rented accommodation. He does not receive perks in the shape of paid-for meals, or for household emergencies or indeed for birthdays/anniversaries. He drives a small fuel-efficient car(I bet you don't!) and doesn't go on missionary trips. In fact neither of the pastors in my church get any of these perks and both gave up well-paid jobs to preach. My pastor is a sick man and will eventually die from his illness yet he is everything I aspire to short of The Lord Himself. He adores Jesus, lives for Him and does whatever he can for Him that his health allows for.

Don't feel too bad about your words though huh?

 

[Willie-T]

Someone mentioned the 'man of God' recently, referring to his pastor and his sermon.

I asked 'are you not a man of God also'?

The 'church' has this warped understanding that one exalted man in their midst is somehow a 'special' person that God set up on high to rule over them....for pay. This is not in your bible.

Lets see how much this 'man of God' must suffer for the cause of Christ.

One: This poor fellow is forced to give up his low paying sweat shop factory job of 12 hour days, 6 and 7 days a week.

two: He is forced to live in a rent free parsonage.

Three: He is forced to receive adoration and praise from his congregants.

Four: He is forced to be taken out for dinner all the time.

Five: He is forced to be addressed by a special exalted title such as Bishop, Pastor, or Reverend.

Six: He is forced to prepare and give a 40 minute 7 point sermon once a week for a full weeks pay check of roughly 1500 dollars tax free. Depends on economic status of the congregation. He generally pulls more than the average sweat shopper.

Seven: He and his wife are forced to receive special love offerings for anniversaries, birthdays and such.

Eight: He is forced to receive a special offering if anything breaks down such as car, air conditioner, boat, camper, and such. Private jet for the fat cat pastors.

Nine: He is forced to make special trips to 'check the missionary work' in the Bahamas, Cancun, etc, etc..

Ten: He is forced to take many vacations for the 'man of God' is in dire need of rest and needs get alone with God for 'a time of refreshing'.

Eleven: He is forced most of the week to doing nothing...how boring.

Twelve: He is forced to have His celebrety name at the top of church letter head, and on marque.

Yes. These are the true marks of a bonafide 'Man of God'. The stress, the strain, the commitment, the self sacrifice, the long agonizing hours, the hardship, the jet lag, the awesome responsibilty, those lonely hours, those steak dinners, those mission work trips to the sandy beaches of the Bahamas. Indeed, the sufferings of Christ that he must endure! Who can bear it?

Please pray for your 'man of God', that he doesn't burn out.

Now. The book of Acts 20.35. I have shown you all these things that you elders/leaders should humbly work jobs to support the hurting.
In a word...or two. No titles, no ego, Matt.23:4-12, no 'lording it over His heritage' 1Peter5, 3John, and no sponging off of grandma and the rest, Acts 20.

I, your consistant mean teacher of the simple word of God would be more than happy to come to your assembly, teach the truth, wash your feet, serve at your tables, wear no special title that exalts me, and i'll do it all for free, no salary, no pay, no filthy lucre, no false tithing doctrine, but i'd be more than thrilled to help support grandma and those sheep that are struggling financially. Keep my name off the letter head and marque. That's the sin of arrogance. Not for me.

I'll start packing my bags right away. Give me your location. Private message me if you like. Do i have any takers?......i thought not. That's how brainwashed the 'church' is. How far from the gospel it has fallen. How apostate it has become. How deceived it is. A few will finally get this. But just a few ...i fear.

Your pride in being so humble is astounding.

 

[Blain]

Someone mentioned the 'man of God' recently, referring to his pastor and his sermon.

I asked 'are you not a man of God also'?

The 'church' has this warped understanding that one exalted man in their midst is somehow a 'special' person that God set up on high to rule over them....for pay. This is not in your bible.

Lets see how much this 'man of God' must suffer for the cause of Christ.

One: This poor fellow is forced to give up his low paying sweat shop factory job of 12 hour days, 6 and 7 days a week.

two: He is forced to live in a rent free parsonage.

Three: He is forced to receive adoration and praise from his congregants.

Four: He is forced to be taken out for dinner all the time.

Five: He is forced to be addressed by a special exalted title such as Bishop, Pastor, or Reverend.

Six: He is forced to prepare and give a 40 minute 7 point sermon once a week for a full weeks pay check of roughly 1500 dollars tax free. Depends on economic status of the congregation. He generally pulls more than the average sweat shopper.

Seven: He and his wife are forced to receive special love offerings for anniversaries, birthdays and such.

Eight: He is forced to receive a special offering if anything breaks down such as car, air conditioner, boat, camper, and such. Private jet for the fat cat pastors.

Nine: He is forced to make special trips to 'check the missionary work' in the Bahamas, Cancun, etc, etc..

Ten: He is forced to take many vacations for the 'man of God' is in dire need of rest and needs get alone with God for 'a time of refreshing'.

Eleven: He is forced most of the week to doing nothing...how boring.

Twelve: He is forced to have His celebrety name at the top of church letter head, and on marque.

Yes. These are the true marks of a bonafide 'Man of God'. The stress, the strain, the commitment, the self sacrifice, the long agonizing hours, the hardship, the jet lag, the awesome responsibilty, those lonely hours, those steak dinners, those mission work trips to the sandy beaches of the Bahamas. Indeed, the sufferings of Christ that he must endure! Who can bear it?

Please pray for your 'man of God', that he doesn't burn out.

Now. The book of Acts 20.35. I have shown you all these things that you elders/leaders should humbly work jobs to support the hurting.
In a word...or two. No titles, no ego, Matt.23:4-12, no 'lording it over His heritage' 1Peter5, 3John, and no sponging off of grandma and the rest, Acts 20.

I, your consistant mean teacher of the simple word of God would be more than happy to come to your assembly, teach the truth, wash your feet, serve at your tables, wear no special title that exalts me, and i'll do it all for free, no salary, no pay, no filthy lucre, no false tithing doctrine, but i'd be more than thrilled to help support grandma and those sheep that are struggling financially. Keep my name off the letter head and marque. That's the sin of arrogance. Not for me.

I'll start packing my bags right away. Give me your location. Private message me if you like. Do i have any takers?......i thought not. That's how brainwashed the 'church' is. How far from the gospel it has fallen. How apostate it has become. How deceived it is. A few will finally get this. But just a few ...i fear.

I wanted to give few points here not to argue but to correct some things that you misunderstood. Firstly the pastor is never forced to do any of these things he chooses to do so second you call yourself a mean teacher your not a mean teacher I have never seen you as mean third just wanted to point out that the word of God is in no way simple it's like a wonderful mystery that is never solved or a movie so complex and so deep that you watch it a million times and never truly understand the movie.

also a teacher is not what I consider you, I do believe you can be a teacher if your heart becomes right but as of now I don't see teaching in your words. A teacher teaches what they know will benefit the students the teach facts and don't let their personal agenda get in the way of the students learning. And a teacher is not just one who teaches but a wise teacher learns from the ones they teach they listen to what their students have to say and don't ignore them when they don't agree they answer the questions asked not shy away and refuse to respond a teacher is a very important person and in all honesty I don't understand why teachers in schools are so underpaid however a teacher in Christ is known as a teacher not because the preach or because they post scripture to add to their preaching a teacher in Christ is one because their words make a difference in peoples hearts because people grow closer to God through them and because God speaks through them they are known as teachers in Christ because love is abound in their hearts and is clearly seen and known.

 

[Dan_473]

Many keep asking why i keep hammering on this one topic.

One: its the fondational truth of the ecclesia. It's ignored with disdain. Most christians proclaim Hillarys answer: 'at this point, what difference does it make?' The difference is the life or the death of the body of Christ. Think Sardis, Laodcea.

Two: no one else is speaking to it. I'm a lone voice in the wilderness. I believe there are some closet believers that fear to chime in. It's like political correctness. No one wants to be beat up.

myself, I'm not asking why you hammer on it. I want to know what positive things God is doing in the fellowship you attend.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Sometimes I think,especially television evangelists,like they really do not believe,but found a way to make an easy living,for how can they miss what is in the Bible,when they claim to be an authority in the Bible,but I suppose they cannot see it,but that is because they do not want to see it,which the Bible says they suppose that godliness is gain,material,and money.

I do not follow televangelists. I do not know how much money they have or how much they spend or what they spend money on.

I do, however, know that not all who preach the gospel are like these televangelists. Some who preach the gospel do so in the proper manner, paying attention to Scripture, warning the body of Christ. The stigma of the televangelist falls on them … just as true believers are painted as "hypocrites" because someone who calls him/herself a "Christian" lives a carnal lifestyle.

I figure God will sort out with the televangelists when the time comes. In the meantime, the instruction to me is to preach the gospel of Christ. That is what brings salvation. Pointing out the sins of others does not heal the brokenhearted.

 

[ArtsieSteph]

Hahahaha wow my pastor totally doesn't match any more than two of those points. He doesn't take love offerings when stuff breaks down, he prays and it comes, he does let himself be called Pastor but also his wife sometimes gets called Pastor too, his first years he hardly ate but by the kindness of people giving them groceries, and prepares sermons not only every Sunday night, morning, and Wednesday, but we also have men's meetings on Saturdays, women's meetings in Tuesday's, and prayer every day at 11am

 

[Blain]

Hahahaha wow my pastor totally doesn't match any more than two of those points. He doesn't take love offerings when stuff breaks down, he prays and it comes, he does let himself be called Pastor but also his wife sometimes gets called Pastor too, his first years he hardly ate but by the kindness of people giving them groceries, and prepares sermons not only every Sunday night, morning, and Wednesday, but we also have men's meetings on Saturdays, women's meetings in Tuesday's, and prayer every day at 11am

He sounds like a man I would love to have long and deep conversations and studies with

 

[ArtsieSteph]

He sounds like a man I would love to have long and deep conversations and studies with

he would love that too, he loves to have talks with all kinds of people

 

[pottersclay]

Many keep asking why i keep hammering on this one topic.

One: its the fondational truth of the ecclesia. It's ignored with disdain. Most christians proclaim Hillarys answer: 'at this point, what difference does it make?' The difference is the life or the death of the body of Christ. Think Sardis, Laodcea.

Two: no one else is speaking to it. I'm a lone voice in the wilderness. I believe there are some closet believers that fear to chime in. It's like political correctness. No one wants to be beat up.

Yet....take time to read the back of the book....