Is God victorious is your spirit or are demons present also?

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Feb 24, 2015
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It is obvious that a kind of mystical, new age, christian faith has come into the
church. I have read lots about the Kundalini spirit.

Some mix spiritualism with christianity, so christians must be delivered from demons
of greed, lust, over indulgence etc. or whatever pet sin they might have.

Some invented the Jezebel spirit and desired to weed out this out of the church.
Other talk about legalism, or some more emotional dispositions.

Now I hold once the Holy Spirit is in you, there is nothing else evil spirit within
you.

I read Todd Bentleys testimony and he had demons cast out of him after coming
to faith.

Is this a common charismatic view?

The toronto blessing got so bad people said they could not tell between demon
possession and the Lord moving.

Jesus implied something different

The man from whom the demons had gone out begged to go with him, but Jesus sent him away, saying, 39 “Return home and tell how much God has done for you.” So the man went away and told all over town how much Jesus had done for him.
Luke 8:38-39

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own.
1 Cor 6:19

You simply cannot be a part of the Kingdom and be possessed. It would be
like saying the Holy Spirit is less than demons, which is a total contradiction
to the faith and the cross.

But then it is easier to explain away bad behaviour to demons than accept
it is something to really do with who we are.
 

Magenta

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#2
"Remember him—before the silver cord is severed, or the golden bowl
is broken; before the pitcher is shattered at the spring, or the wheel
broken at the well, and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

People are trying to understand how the Spiritual intersects with the physical.
 
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BeyondET

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#3
Demons are foot stools weak peasants!
 
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LaurenTM

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#4
It is obvious that a kind of mystical, new age, christian faith has come into the
church. I have read lots about the Kundalini spirit.

Some mix spiritualism with christianity, so christians must be delivered from demons
of greed, lust, over indulgence etc. or whatever pet sin they might have.

Some invented the Jezebel spirit and desired to weed out this out of the church.
Other talk about legalism, or some more emotional dispositions.

Now I hold once the Holy Spirit is in you, there is nothing else evil spirit within
you.

I read Todd Bentleys testimony and he had demons cast out of him after coming
to faith.

Is this a common charismatic view?

The toronto blessing got so bad people said they could not tell between demon
possession and the Lord moving.

Jesus implied something different

The man from whom the demons had gone out begged to go with him, but Jesus sent him away, saying, 39 “Return home and tell how much God has done for you.” So the man went away and told all over town how much Jesus had done for him.
Luke 8:38-39

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own.
1 Cor 6:19

You simply cannot be a part of the Kingdom and be possessed. It would be
like saying the Holy Spirit is less than demons, which is a total contradiction
to the faith and the cross.

But then it is easier to explain away bad behaviour to demons than accept
it is something to really do with who we are.

why don't you quote the Bible, which is the main source from which we might come to an understanding of the wicked one and his devices?

instead, you go 'sensational' in order to create yet another ZOMBIE argument

it walks, it talks...but it does not have life


Now I hold once the Holy Spirit is in you, there is nothing else evil spirit within
you.
I wish that was true about cleaning the house. Catch the metaphor? blink blink
 
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LaurenTM

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#5
huh

I just created another expression for the forums

ZOMBIE ARGUEMENT

bother verb and noun:

verb: don't you zombie me with that argument!

noun: is this a zombie thread?
 

wattie

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Feb 24, 2009
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#6
It is obvious that a kind of mystical, new age, christian faith has come into the
church. I have read lots about the Kundalini spirit.

Some mix spiritualism with christianity, so christians must be delivered from demons
of greed, lust, over indulgence etc. or whatever pet sin they might have.

Some invented the Jezebel spirit and desired to weed out this out of the church.
Other talk about legalism, or some more emotional dispositions.

Now I hold once the Holy Spirit is in you, there is nothing else evil spirit within
you.

I read Todd Bentleys testimony and he had demons cast out of him after coming
to faith.

Is this a common charismatic view?

The toronto blessing got so bad people said they could not tell between demon
possession and the Lord moving.

Jesus implied something different

The man from whom the demons had gone out begged to go with him, but Jesus sent him away, saying, 39 “Return home and tell how much God has done for you.” So the man went away and told all over town how much Jesus had done for him.
Luke 8:38-39

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own.
1 Cor 6:19

You simply cannot be a part of the Kingdom and be possessed. It would be
like saying the Holy Spirit is less than demons, which is a total contradiction
to the faith and the cross.

But then it is easier to explain away bad behaviour to demons than accept
it is something to really do with who we are.
Yes, how does a demon co-habitat with the Holy Spirit in a believer who has been saved, sealed and indwelt by the Holy Spirit?

Surely the Holy Spirit is a thousand if not more times stronger than any demon.

Surely the Holy Spirit would not allow that demon into the soul of a saved person.

I was a charismatic christian that was into this kind of thing. I didn't actually know the scripture around it. I was just 'following the crowd' as a susceptible teenager.

The scripture that counters possession for a saved person is the likes of John 3:16, John 5:24, Ephesians 2:8-9, and other verses about the Holy Spirit being the seal for a saved person.

If God saves someone.. and God owns that salvation and Has indwelled someone thru His Spirit.. how can a demon actually 'indwell' a saved person?
 
Dec 9, 2011
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We live In a fallen world and although we have been born of the Spirit of GOD,there Is the world system that we deal with,presenting our bodies a living sacrifice as we renew our minds by beholding the WORD of GOD,walking by faith and not by sight.

The spirit reborn of God Is clean but our bodies have not yet been glorified and can be Influenced by the demonic, so then the person that doesn't want to suffer the physical consequences of sin should renew their minds.
 
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LaurenTM

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who is the armor for?

why are Christians told that the devil is seeking someone to devour and we should be careful?

who was Jesus talking to when he warned us about deception?

isn't deception the devil's biggest tool? started in the garden and he's never had to change a thing

is God victorious? since before lucifer fell

it is Christians who are not victorious over their own lives because they fail to believe, never mind apply, what scripture teaches with regards to the devil and his kingdom

possession is not even the question, because the original language does not state that the demon possesses, but rather that the person possesses the demon

varying degrees of that until you have the totally out of control man we refer to as the Gadarene demoniac

the op chooses to mix truth in with salacious failures...such as Todd Bentley


You simply cannot be a part of the Kingdom and be possessed. It would be
like saying the Holy Spirit is less than demons, which is a total contradiction
to the faith and the cross.
Christians are not possessed but they certainly can be afflicted, harassed and various other things.

read the Bible. it's all in there
 
Feb 24, 2015
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Have you ever heard of binding satan from influencing people?

I have to say the weird thing was when I did not take the spiritual war seriously
I was often defeated in talking to other believers and motivating them to good
things.

I think there is very much a battle going on but in our weaknesses and simple
discouragement, saying do not bother with this or that, nothing will really come
of it.

Even here I should pray a lot more, because simply the enemy hates Jesus and
all things related to love, openness and victory.

As people of the Lord we do have authority, but to be lights in a dark world, to
show bitterness, envy, anger, pride, money do not matter. It is truth and need
spoken from the heart that should rule. So many are rich in the worlds eyes but
totally poor in the things of life.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
John 10:10

Command authority as children of the King is real, but in the spiritual realms,
not the physical. I think that is what makes it so difficult, and I too often
forget because we do not see it.

The amour of God is spiritual, like our desires and walking in the Spirit, but
we all know it is hard to do, with so many other issues that crowd in.

Cleaning the house. I think our bad habits, our learnt behaviour patterns
give the enemy opportunity to blunt our impact, but that is about obedience
and following Jesus more than casting out demons.
 

Vdp

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mmmmmmmmmmmmm... do you people's know that the Holy Spirit is God? It was God who created the Demons.
 
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If a person has the Holy Spirit,and is led of the Holy Spirit,there is no way a demon can be in them.

God said resist the devil,and he shall flee from you,and greater is He that is in you,than he that is in the world.
 
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LaurenTM

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If a person has the Holy Spirit,and is led of the Holy Spirit,there is no way a demon can be in them.

God said resist the devil,and he shall flee from you,and greater is He that is in you,than he that is in the world.
that's a popular opinion

people also like to state that the Holy Spirit and a demon or the devil cannot be in the same place

yet, it happens absolutely daily, 24/7, on this planet

it is a well documented fact, that Christians can and do have demons in them

they are not possessed and they are not controlled

you cast them out

what is the purpose of casting demons out of an unsaved person? they will simply come back with more

if you clean out the 'vessel', you have to replace it with something that can keep out the demons...salvation

salvation is just the beginning

so your first sentence needs more reflection I think...
 
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LaurenTM

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#13
Yes, how does a demon co-habitat with the Holy Spirit in a believer who has been saved, sealed and indwelt by the Holy Spirit?

Surely the Holy Spirit is a thousand if not more times stronger than any demon.

Surely the Holy Spirit would not allow that demon into the soul of a saved person.

I was a charismatic christian that was into this kind of thing. I didn't actually know the scripture around it. I was just 'following the crowd' as a susceptible teenager.

The scripture that counters possession for a saved person is the likes of John 3:16, John 5:24, Ephesians 2:8-9, and other verses about the Holy Spirit being the seal for a saved person.

If God saves someone.. and God owns that salvation and Has indwelled someone thru His Spirit.. how can a demon actually 'indwell' a saved person?

the word possession has been taught to mean demon possessed

the original manuscript has been misinterpreted to mean the demon has the person...the person actually has the demon

if a person is a smoker before conversion and they end up with lung cancer, does conversion suddenly make them well and healthy? not usually...although it has been known to happen

in the same way, when a person is saved, they do not suddenly become without problems or sins.

no, you don't blame the devil for everything, but he sure is responsible for alot, including getting Christians to believe he cannot harm them or that demons cannot enter flesh that is going to die anyway

our spirits are born or made alive in Christ when we are saved

our souls are not our spirits and our flesh is not our spirits

if people want to believe the devil is a toothless old lion instead of the roaring lion scripture states he is, seeking for someone to devour, ignore at your own peril

the devil is not someone to be scared of..but ignorance is his playground and no protection at all
 
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Ariel82

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Have you ever heard of binding satan from influencing people?

I have to say the weird thing was when I did not take the spiritual war seriously
I was often defeated in talking to other believers and motivating them to good
things.

I think there is very much a battle going on but in our weaknesses and simple
discouragement, saying do not bother with this or that, nothing will really come
of it.

Even here I should pray a lot more, because simply the enemy hates Jesus and
all things related to love, openness and victory.

As people of the Lord we do have authority, but to be lights in a dark world, to
show bitterness, envy, anger, pride, money do not matter. It is truth and need
spoken from the heart that should rule. So many are rich in the worlds eyes but
totally poor in the things of life.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
John 10:10

Command authority as children of the King is real, but in the spiritual realms,
not the physical. I think that is what makes it so difficult, and I too often
forget because we do not see it.

The amour of God is spiritual, like our desires and walking in the Spirit, but
we all know it is hard to do, with so many other issues that crowd in.

Cleaning the house. I think our bad habits, our learnt behaviour patterns
give the enemy opportunity to blunt our impact, but that is about obedience
and following Jesus more than casting out demons.
Casting out demons takes but a moment and done by God and His army of angels.

The healing afterwards can take a lot longer. Like helping someone heal after being beaten and robbed by highway men. You can chase off the robbers, but the broken ribs and other injuries take longer to heal.

In this spiritual war we have many survivors bleeding internally who need love and wisdom to heal and resist the lies the robbers whispered to terrorize them.
 
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psalm6819

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mmmmmmmmmmmmm... do you people's know that the Holy Spirit is God? It was God who created the Demons.
God did NOT create demons. They were the result of fallen angels and women cohabiting

Jesus gave us authority to cast them out in His Name
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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I'm confused. What's the question? I see a lot of declarative statements, but I don't see the question being posed.

As someone who has the 7 chakras and the twin serpents of the Kundalini rising tattooed on my spine (it's from years ago), I think I might have something to say on this topic, but I'm not sure what the question is.
 
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LaurenTM

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#17
God did NOT create demons. They were the result of fallen angels and women cohabiting

Jesus gave us authority to cast them out in His Name
seems most believe demons are the fallen angels, but angels would not act as demons do, as I have had pointed out to me

I'm not sure what they are...other than evil and some more than others

so you believe that angels who left their first state did actually conceive offspring with women?

I believe that is what scripture states myself
 

Blain

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Demons cannot possess a believer because where there is a a bright light the darkness is expelled, yes we can be attacked by them we can encounter them but if a professing believer is possessed by a demon then they were never saved to begin with there is vast difference between a Christian by title and a Christian by heart
 
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LaurenTM

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Demons cannot possess a believer because where there is a a bright light the darkness is expelled, yes we can be attacked by them we can encounter them but if a professing believer is possessed by a demon then they were never saved to begin with there is vast difference between a Christian by title and a Christian by heart

the original language does not state what so many believe

possession does not mean the demon owns the person...what the original language actually states is that the person possesses the demon

if you read the thread, you will see that has been discussed...believed may be another story...but it's easy enough to look up and I don't have the time right now to post at length about it

I don't know what you are trying to say regarding light, but David wrote that even if he went down to sheol, God would be there...from Psalm 139

8If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

12Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

demons are cast out in the name of Jesus...no bright lights are needed

if people would get the notion of being possessed out of their thoughts, they might clear up some misunderstanding