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For no unclean person hath inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words, for on these things come the wrath of God unto the children of disobedience and unbelief. Be no partakers with them, but walk as children of the light, in all goodness, righteousness and truth. (Eph 5)

It is very clear that the saints and unbelievers are not one group of people. Saints are pure and clean and walk as children of the light in all goodness and righteousness and truth. God says in 1 John 3…[SUP]7[/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Clearly only saints do righteousness to the level of God. 1 Joh 3:1… [SUP]1[/SUP]Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. One group are saints, and one group are sinners.

God does not call people his sons if they do not know Him, the world does not know Him. This love that is bestowed on His children is the power of God that makes an individual His child (all God’s children are children of obedience and faith). The world is not His children, the world does not even know His children because the world does not know Him. In fact the world will always hate Him and His children. John 15….[SUP]18[/SUP]If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. [SUP]19[/SUP]If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. I love this Truth and this message.

Jesus said this in John 17: [SUP]9[/SUP]I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. Then Jesus says this: [SUP]20[/SUP]Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; And this is how God’s Word (His Truth) separates the saints from the sinners. Faith and obedience always come perfectly together in one Truth, in Christ. I can be one of this group if I believe the Truth and know Jesus. So many people say they know God and the one whom He sent, yet they will not agree with this message that is in His Truth.

The people that do the Truth and believes Him are not of this world. Joh 17: [SUP]16[/SUP]They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world….. It is the gift of Jesus that makes a person a beloved child of God…. [SUP]2[/SUP]As thou hast given him (Jesus) power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. [SUP]3[/SUP]And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. The world does not know God and they do not have eternal life (holy life).

Can I know God and be one with Him and Jesus, and still sin? The Truth says: No! God’s Word says sinners are from the devil, like all the worldly people are from the devil. God says every one that is born of God, or born from above, cannot sin. 1Joh 3:9.[SUP] 9[/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Jesus was the example of the children God will make for Himself. The seed of God is the life of Christ in every holy person. The world is of the devil and they are not born from above: [SUP]8[/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 2Cor6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

If God delivers me from evil, can I still sin? I vote NO because He delivers me from evil to Jesus!

So many sinners use 1 Joh 1:10 (If we say we have not sinned we make Him a liar)… as their main reference point to argue no one is without sin, but 1 John 1 also teaches we are liars if we sin (walk in darkness) and say we have fellowship with Jesus (The Light). Maybe the answer is in the Word, I thank God it is, and He is still the one that can deliver us from evil!
 

Adstar

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So you are saying that one is not a saved if one commits sin...

So then the question must be asked by your own standards of sinlessness are you saved?

I have never met a person on earth who lives a life never sinning.. Do you claim to be without sin? Living your life from day to day never sinning? Never transgressing the standards of God in thought or deeds?
 

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It would be horrible if God worked in perfection and being completely sinless with us I would live in fear of screwing up and when I did i would fear being slammed by a thunderbolt.
 
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so when paul says


For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

you have to change it to did


1 John 2:1King James Version (KJV)

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

spose that dont include you either.

1john 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

you just cant see your own pride and arrogance,



 
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Adstar, who saves who? And does He save halfheartedly or completely? I say nothing, I get it in the Word, and I believe the Word. God says he will CAUSE us to keep His will. And His will is Mat5:48. Be thou perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect! If God cause me to be perfect, I will gladly accept.
Did you ever meet a person that even believe perfection can exist in a man in this earth? If they do not believe it how can it happen for them? God certainly preach it!

Thank you for your participation. One more question... If you know not any perfect person, does it make God's Word untrue? God preach perfection, here on earth and even demands it, how can it then not be possible to save a sinner unto a perfect man... Eph 4:13.
 
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Oh sorry Adstar, if a person sins like me, there is hope as long as he is alive..... I sin much, but I know God is busy with the cleansing. God says if I have a hope to be a child of God, I will purify myself as HE IS PURE. If I keep on messing up, backslide, get dirty... whatever people call it, how will I get as pure as he is? ..1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. From your other posts I know you know how this purification happens. And let me assure you, once Jesus removes the stain, that stain NEVER returns. HE DESTROYS IT!

And soon, God willing, HIS will will be my life then I will be perfect as my Father in heaven!
 
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Blain perfection does not have fear! It has PERFECT LOVE... 1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Blain there is no sin in love and no love in sin!
 

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Its always refreshing to see someone who understands both grace, and the importance of turning from sin and the dangers it leads to : p With God it is entirely possible to turn from sin. If we fall back and slip up again He is kind enough to forgive, but of course we must make the choice ourselves to not sin and not rely on His grace to justify our sins.
 
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Posthuman my hope is in the Lord. I SURE can trust He will keep to His word and He is faithful... Look what He will do for me...
1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
2Th_3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
IF HE KEEPS ME FROM EVIL I CANNOT SIN!
 

posthuman

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One more question... If you know not any perfect person, does it make God's Word untrue?
i know exactly One who is Perfect.

Perfection in any man or woman is not that person at all -- but Christ living in them, through them, as them.

In Him, i died - taking part in His crucifixion - and now the thing in me that is alive is Him. It's because i have died with Him that i am sure i will also live with Him: that "
hope" isn't like the world hopes, not being certain, but 'an anchor for the soul' as the scripture calls it. Irrevocable!!

So the commandments are promises, Kosie: because it is not by my will or exertion ((how can it be, if i have died?)) but by mercy, Him working in me and living through me. By my submission, not my establishing. The work is completely His, and if i doubt that this will be completed in me, i doubt Him. Doubting myself is only affirming my need for Him - and holding firmly to this hope is praising Him!

How then can i refuse to take part in His supper, because '
i am not worthy' ? Of course i am not worthy! It is never my own 'worth' but the Worthy One who lives in me. What Paul chastened the people in Corinth for was for thinking of themselves first before others: which is, to consider themselves worthy.

You're preaching obedience now -- so obey. Be baptized. Take part in His supper, remembering Him. What prevents you?

 
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Prodical Paul said those words to the Romans who are CALLED TO BE SAINTS... Like Jesus he preached on the level of the audience. Paul could not preach Ephesians content with them. The Ephesians were on steak and already a lot of saints among them. Paul had compassion on the Romans that were ready to receive the Gospel. He wanted to come to them to preach these things to them that he wrote in this letter..... Remember Paul was a Spirit filled Apostle, they do not sin! If they do it is as good as to say God does. They do not have sinning spirit, they have Holy Spirit!

So let us determine your level. Do you believe God commanded us to be perfect? And do you believe he is just and fair? Why would He as Father ask us to be what He knows we cannot be? Or are we not on a level to understand that it is HIS will for us to be perfect, and He will provide EVERYTHING to us to be perfect.

Now the same Paul wrote this.... Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Now some common sense reasoning... how can a sinner make a man that does not sin a perfect man? How can a Godly appointed apostle be sinner and assist in making non sinning saints perfect men? FOR THE WORK of the ministry the apostle is already in? Just not happening.

Do you REALLY believe Paul still sinned after God appointed him as an apostle of God to perfect the saints, unto a perfect man? I do not. Saul sinned, Paul made perfect men from saints in God's appointment.
 

Yahshua

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1 John 3:4

Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Jeremiah 31:33

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Ezekiel 36:27

And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.


Matthew 26:28

For this is my blood of the covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


John 7:39

To the one who believes in Me as the Scripture has said: ‘Streams of living water will flow from within him.’” 39 He was speaking about the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were later to receive. For the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.


John 16:13

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.


Matthew 19:26

But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


Acts 2:3

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.


Philippians 1:6

being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.


Philippians 4:6

I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me.


Colossians 1:27

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glor[ification]:


John 12:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, unless a kernel of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but if it die, it brings forth much fruit.


Luke 8:11

Now this is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God.


1 John 3:9

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.


Matthew 13:24-30

Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.

26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.

27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’

28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’

29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”



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Romans 6:1-2

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
 
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Posthuman, that was beautiful and so true. What prevents me? His lead to the table. I know I will share all with Him, but on His time my friend. How did Paul put the GROWTH.... Posthuman may sow, and Prodical may water, but GOD LET GROW.

When I am ready by HIM, He will provide the opportunity, and I will gladly be on His table. But like God says, I have to do it IN FAITH, maybe He has to give me more FAITH first. He knows and I trust. Bless you my friend I can see your heart and love, it is not human, it is special.
 

Zmouth

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So you are saying that one is not a saved if one commits sin...
So then the question must be asked by your own standards of sinlessness are you saved?

It is written, "...for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

"Of sin, because they believe not on me;"

"For sin shall not have dominion over you:"

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,.."

I have never met a person on earth who lives a life never sinning.. Do you claim to be without sin? Living your life from day to day never sinning? Never transgressing the standards of God in thought or deeds?

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. James 4:17
 
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i am always weary when someone here presumes to teach others and having gone over every post an individual writes , seeing inconsistencies and and mis-quotings of scripture, continually, means you end up on the watch list. Although some may agree with certain posts, i am reading from the perspective of all posts given. Many false teachers and prophets may add the occasional truth which for those that haven't read all the posts may not see the dangers within, As i said previously the pharisee and the devil quoted scripture, but that does not mean that they were using the right context and ultimately they were misleading people. I shall no longer interact with certain people when it gets to the point that they continue in such a manner but i will be reading every post they write , we allow this to go on for a time for god-fearing people to see for themselves the deceptive nature of some, but when it starts to affect the true fellowship they will be removed.

1John 5

14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.
16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
 
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Zmouth

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So if you are children of the Light, as written in 1 John 1:5 "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." Then are you children of the visible Light? If not then what Light?
 

Zmouth

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i am always weary when someone here presumes to teach others and having gone over every post an individual writes , seeing inconsistencies and and mis-quotings of scripture, continually, means you end up on the watch list. Although some may agree with certain posts, i am reading from the perspective of all posts given. Many false teachers and prophets may add the occasional truth which for those that haven't read all the posts may not see the dangers within, As i said previously the pharisee and the devil quoted scripture, but that does not mean that they were using the right context and ultimately they were misleading people. I shall no longer interact with certain people when it gets to the point that they continue in such a manner but i will be reading every post they write , we allow this to go on for a time for god-fearing people to see for themselves the deceptive nature of some, but when it starts to affect the true fellowship they will be removed.
Would I be in error to conclude that your post was directed at me?
 
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prodigal

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Would I be in error to conclude that your post was directed at me?
yes sorry bro that is in error. you would know because you would see that i would interact with most posts written to see if you were seeking the truth or just here to teach your own preconcieved ideas. I see this as a window of opportunity and banning is always a last resort.
I dont claim to have a monopoly on the truth and am here to learn also, so in order to get my or another mods attention a person would have to be continually speaking on various doctrines, to a point where they try and change nearly every doctrine to suite their preconceived ideas.

blessings to you
 
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[QUOTE][SUP]If God delivers me from evil, can I still sin? I vote NO because He delivers me from evil to Jesus![/QUOTE]

Kosie I understand your logic, now, can you understand mine?


8 [/SUP]If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

With our minds, as we read scripture we see only black and white and the contrast is stark. There is only Jesus and everything else is of the enemy, but it's Love that is the key, a relationship of love. Anyone we truly love when they do something against us we will automatically forgive them because love does not hold a grudge, love does not count wrongs and store them up. Jesus spoke of forgiving 70 X 7 in one day that's 420 times from waking to sleeping, if we sleep for 8 hours that is still over 25 times an hour almost once every 2 minuets. If Jesus proposed this can He not forgive more from us? It's the confessing that's the blessing, Praise Him!