"Whatever you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven".

[popeye]

What do biblical scholars say about BINDING and LOOSING?

When I started this thread I had no clear idea about the meaning of the words BINDING and LOOSING. I started to google them several hours later. I'm here to learn - not to push my beliefs on others.

The information I got from biblical scholars (through Google) was this:

In the Old Covenant, Rabbis had authority to bind (forbid) and loose (permit) things that were not specifically included in the Law of Moses. For the New Covenant, Jesus gave his disciples authority to bind (forbid) and loose (permit) things that are not specifically included in his Gospel.

We see Peter using this authority in Acts 15: "abstain from food polluted by idols, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. Paul used this authority a lot: Women must cover their heads; the bishop must be above reproach, husband of one wife; for speaking in tongues there must be an interpreter; and so on.

I believe that today pastors and elders have authority to bind and loose. Ask a God fearing pastor if you can become a member of the masonry and he will probably "bind" it.

In my church politicians are not allowed to speak to the audience, even in case they are Christians. I'm sure that when our elders "bound" it, it had already been bound in Heaven.

Do you folks agree with the scholars? If you don't, please tell me why! I'm here to learn!

Jesus wants to partner with us and through us.

We would see more happen,and enjoy much more authority if we would "sell out" so to speak,divorce this world,and just get blown out for Jesus.

When we live a compromised life,we get laughed at by hell. We become weak,cowardly jokes.

This is why so many things "seem to NOT WORK"

WE need to make targets,or goals spiritually.

And yes a leader can bind or loose,but not just them exclusively.

 

[Marcelo]

Do church leaders have authority over the flock?

Yes, provided they are Spirit led.

1 COR 16:15-18 - I urge you brothers to submit to such as these and to everyone who joins in the work.
1 THE 5:12,13 - Respect those .......who are over you.
HEB 13:17 - Obey your leaders.

Authority over the flock is given only to leaders appointed by God.

 

[Vdp]

The problem is many leaders of the Church violate their authority by teaching false Doctrines and leading people away from God to follow and worship other gods. The RCC is a very good example of this.

Tell us Marcelo, are the Catholic Priests, and Bishops, and Popes appointed by God?

 

[garee]

Scripture (2Corinthians 4:7) informs us that although the believer does have the authority of God in us as God with us (Emanuel) but it is never to be assumed it is of us as if we walk by sight and not by faith the unseen. Therefore just as if the kingdom of God was of this world.

The believer has the responsibility as an outward witness used as a metaphor they demonstrate the unseen work. It is not the work but points to the possibility that God may have loosed his will from heaven, again as a faith issue .

Because of the inaccurate translation from the Greek into the English as well as other languages it would appear men on earth loosen their will and it becomes bound in heaven as law. That idea would help support the false conclusion they make saying men can forgive sin . The foundation of Catholicism.

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The Young’s Literal translation puts things in the proper order turning things right side up. Helping us to maintain we walk by faith and not by sight through the experiences we do have.

Human experience is not the validator of spiritual truth. If it was then the Son of man would of fell victim the father of lies through the experiences the devil gave him ,which some call out of the body but is really demons bringing in lies as wonders .

The Son of man had not moved one inch from the sand he stood on. But Christ would apply the faith principle, as it is written, as that which rises above human experience and defines the spiritual not seen.

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him “all the kingdoms of the world”, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Mat 4:7

Again the pew Catholic would as they experience the what they call the worship-able /venerable fathers say they are forgiven, they then because of that experience believe they have been forgiven of the eternal debt the wage of sin. . But scripture is clear only God can forgive sin .

19 and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'Mathew 16

 

[Marcelo]

The problem is many leaders of the Church violate their authority by teaching false Doctrines and leading people away from God to follow and worship other gods. The RCC is a very good example of this.

Tell us Marcelo, are the Catholic Priests, and Bishops, and Popes appointed by God?

No, I don't think they are appointed by God, even though I believe that some, or at least a few, of them may be saved. Remember the Good Samaritan? His religion (sect) was wrong, but he was approved by Jesus.

What I said above is true for the majority of denominations (at least in my country) - I feel that their pastors are not guided by God and think that their acts of binding and loosing may not be ratified in Heaven.

 

[Marcelo]

More information about BINDING and LOOSING.

chaimbentorah.com/2012/10/word-study-bind-loose-asar-hitir/

Chaim Bentorah received his B.A. degree from Moody Bible Institute in Jewish Studies and his M.A. degree from Denver Seminary in Old Testament and Hebrew and his PhD in Biblical Archeology.

Matthew 16:19: “And I will give to you the keys to the kingdom of heaven and whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

In Matthew 16:19 Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter and told him that whatever he binds on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever he loosens on earth will be loosed in heaven.

The words binding in Greek is dein and loose is luein. The Syriac version (Aramaic in which the Book of Matthew was originally written) uses the words “asar” and “hitir” which are legal terms found throughout the Mishnah and represents forbidding and permitting. The council of sages and rabbis of the Sanhedrin were granted the authority (by man) to “asar” (bind) and “hitir” (loosen) Jews to aspects of the law.

It was believed that whatever the rabbis bound on earth was bound in heaven and whatever they loosened on earth was loosened in heaven. The word “heaven” was just another term used to represent God and used so one would not speak the sacred name of God.

Thus, it was believed that what the Sanhedrin ruled whether to bind or loosen, was automatically ratified by God. It would seem that Jesus used this same popular expression to grant similar authority to Peter to resolve future disputes in the establishment of the church.

We find one such example of this binding and loosening to take place in Acts 15 where the apostles and elders convened in a sort of “Church Sanhedrin” in Jerusalem to address the issue as to whether Gentiles were bound to the law. In Acts 15:10 we find Peter exercising his “rabbinic” authority of binding and loosening to declare that the commandments were too heavy for the Gentiles and that they should be loosened from the obligations of the law.

In verse 20 James chimed in and said that he agreed but that the Gentiles should still be bound by laws that the Jews considered universal prohibitions such as murder, adultery and idolatry etc. In verse 22 it appears everyone gave a hearty “amen” and then sent Paul and Barnabas out to spread the Word.

 

[miknik5]

Church leaders have authority to bind (forbid) or to loose (permit) certain practices according to their understanding of God's word, and they can excommunicate those who willfully disobey their teachings.

Some denominations forbid watching TV, celebrating Christmas, forbid women from cutting their hair, etc, while others permit occasional adultery (e.g.: once a year is OK), permit divorce apart from adultery, permit baby baptism, etc.

To what extent such permissions and prohibitions will be accepted in Heaven?

Marcelo please review Matthew 18. It isn't allowing and disallowing practices that is being discussed. Bits forgiveness and forgiving all men and leaving all men to their creator. Not binding but loosing all things

 

[Marcelo]

Marcelo please review Matthew 18. It isn't allowing and disallowing practices that is being discussed. Bits forgiveness and forgiving all men and leaving all men to their creator. Not binding but loosing all things

Miknik, in Mt 16:19 Jesus is giving authority to his disciples to FORBID and PERMIT (according to scholars). In Mt 18:18 Jesus uses the same words to say that his disciples have power to excommunicate.

Some Bible commentators say that BINDING and LOOSING mean ARRESTING and RELEASING demons. I don't think that Jesus was talking about demons. To arrest a demon is OK, but who would release an evil spirit? Why?

Tanks for your question, Miknik; I don't expect anyone to accept my posts without questioning. I think they come from reliable sources, but I'm not completely sure they are correct.

 

[miknik5]

Miknik, in Mt 16:19 Jesus is giving authority to his disciples to FORBID and PERMIT (according to scholars). In Mt 18:18 Jesus uses the same words to say that his disciples have power to excommunicate.

Some Bible commentators say that BINDING and LOOSING mean ARRESTING and RELEASING demons. I don't think that Jesus was talking about demons. To arrest a demon is OK, but who would release an evil spirit? Why?

Tanks for your question, Miknik; I don't expect anyone to accept my posts without questioning. I think they come from reliable sources, but I'm not completely sure they are correct.

No. And anyone born iof HIS SPIRIT has no right to stand over GOD in judgement of another

Ever

 

[Marcelo]

How can we know if scholars are right?

Many respected biblical scholars say that the words BIND and LOOSE, in Mt 16:19, mean FORBID and PERMIT and, in Mt 18:18, they mean ADMIT/EXCOMMUNICATE. There are, however, Bible commentators who say that these words refer to demons and infirmities. Who is right?

Firstly, when Jesus said that "whatever is bound on Earth will have been bound in Heaven", his disciples already had authority to cast out demons and cure diseases. This is the first indication that in Mt 16 and 18 the words BIND and LOOSE do not refer to evil spirits or infirmities. The second indication is that the casting out of demons and the cure of diseases don't require ENDORSEMENT from God.

If some church leaders decide, for example, that women will no longer be allowed to attend services with their heads uncovered, many members will question if that instruction came from God or from men. To effect changes in the customs, church leaders need endorsement from God - they must use Scriptures and the guidance of the Holy Ghost. So, in this context, the translations FORBID and PERMIT really make sense.

MY OPINION: I agree with the scholars who say that, in Mt 16:19, BIND/LOOSE mean FORBID/PERMIT and, in Mt 18:18, LOOSE means EXCOMMUNICATE.

The translations ARREST/RELEASE (for demons) and INFLICT/SET FREE (for diseases) don't make sense in the contexts above.

 

[Marcelo]

Pat Robertson explains the meaning of BINDING and LOOSING.
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[garee]

More information about BINDING and LOOSING.

chaimbentorah.com/2012/10/word-study-bind-loose-asar-hitir/

Chaim Bentorah received his B.A. degree from Moody Bible Institute in Jewish Studies and his M.A. degree from Denver Seminary in Old Testament and Hebrew and his PhD in Biblical Archeology.

Matthew 16:19: “And I will give to you the keys to the kingdom of heaven and whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

In Matthew 16:19 Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter and told him that whatever he binds on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever he loosens on earth will be loosed in heaven.

The words binding in Greek is dein and loose is luein. The Syriac version (Aramaic in which the Book of Matthew was originally written) uses the words “asar” and “hitir” which are legal terms found throughout the Mishnah and represents forbidding and permitting. The council of sages and rabbisof the Sanhedrin were granted the authority (by man) to “asar” (bind) and “hitir” (loosen) Jews to aspects of the law.

It was believed that whatever the rabbis bound on earth was bound in heaven and whatever they loosened on earth was loosened in heaven. The word “heaven” was just another term used to represent God and used so one would not speak the sacred name of God.

It is simply an improper transliteration. It subtracts from the true authority which is after no man as if we did need a man to teach us to begin with.

The proper paraphrase is as below.

Shall be “having been” bound in the heavens......(“Past tense”.He must do the first works. )19 and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been(past tense)bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earthshall be having been.....(past tense) loosed in the heavens.'Mathew 16.

Prophecy of the scriptures is not earthly .That would be to be inspired by the god of this world Satan.

Two forms of inspiration. Not... “whatever the rabbis bound on earth was bound in heaven and whatever they loosened on earth was loosened in heaven”

We don’t know Christ after the wisdom of man . But do after the word of God. We are not think of men above that which is written or equal to it.

James 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish..

The church walks by faith (God’s) and not by sight and acts as if they were the authority of God, Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit.

It is clear that although we do have the authority of God in these earthen bodies of death. But to accredit to any man is to blaspheme the Holy name by which he calls us heavenward.

The word “not of us” should be enough to discourage us from trusting men as if they were in the place of God and guide us to who the final authority in matters of faith is generated by .

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be "of God", and "not of us".

 

[valiant]

The binding and loosing were ways of interpreting the Law (Torah). When someone brought up a disputed question of Law the Scribes gave their own particular interpretation of it. If some made it harder than the original they were 'binding'. If they made it easier they were 'loosing'.

Thus Hillel was seen as 'loosing' the Law when he said that it taught that divorce could be seen as grantable 'for any cause'. On the other hand Shammai disagreed and said it was only grantable for adultery. He was seen as 'binding' the Law.

It is important to recognise that in both cases they were interpreting what was written. They did not see themselves as allowed to change the Law. They interpreted what they saw as its original meaning. They could not thereby make new laws about subjects which were not in Scripture.

Nowhere was this approved of by God. It was merely a matter of interpretation by experts on the Law. Ten scribes may have given ten different interpretations. Depending on what they were each would be seen as binding or loosing. It did not have divine authority.

On the other hand Peter was specifically given the power to bind and loose by Christ. He was given the right to interpret the words of Jesus and of the Old Testament. He was not given a carte blanche outside of that.

Today men may bind and loose. But it is only effective in their own particular circles. It is not an authority given them by God. That was limited to the Apostles in interpreting the message of Christ and in interpreting the Old Testament.

 

[Adstar]

What Christian denominations have authority to bind or loose?

None.. Jesus said that to Peter because Jesus knew that Peter would be guided by the Holy Spirit in what ever he bound or loosed in the New testament.. Note Jesus said it to Peter. He never said to your descendants or to you and your successors.. Peter had not successors.. It was the Holy Spirit that did the Binding and loosening through Peter... Peter never made scriptures by His own will..

 

[RBA238]

It is simply an improper transliteration. It subtracts from the true authority which is after no man as if we did need a man to teach us to begin with.

The proper paraphrase is as below.

Shall be “having been” bound in the heavens......(“Past tense”.He must do the first works. )19 and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been(past tense)bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earthshall be having been.....(past tense) loosed in the heavens.'Mathew 16.

Prophecy of the scriptures is not earthly .That would be to be inspired by the god of this world Satan.

Two forms of inspiration. Not... “whatever the rabbis bound on earth was bound in heaven and whatever they loosened on earth was loosened in heaven”

We don’t know Christ after the wisdom of man . But do after the word of God. We are not think of men above that which is written or equal to it.

James 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish..

The church walks by faith (God’s) and not by sight and acts as if they were the authority of God, Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit.

It is clear that although we do have the authority of God in these earthen bodies of death. But to accredit to any man is to blaspheme the Holy name by which he calls us heavenward.

The word “not of us” should be enough to discourage us from trusting men as if they were in the place of God and guide us to who the final authority in matters of faith is generated by .

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be "of God", and "not of us".

The Political Arm of the Vatican/ RCC loves to cite their "Authority" on Earth, using this verse That Jesus Spoke...This is exactly how they can minipulate the blind leading the blind into the various tall tales they claim relates to them.

First, Jesus and His hand picked Apostles only started One Exact Christian Church. That Church is the One who follows and obeys what Jesus taught to his Apostles, to teach future Christians. So, by claiming The RCC is the only Church then they have all "Authority, on earth and in heaven" bound on earth..bound in heaven. The RCC does not actually teach The Bible, The Word of God..they have rather official
"EXPLAINERS".

 

[garee]

On the other hand Peter was specifically given the power to bind and loose by Christ. He was given the right to interpret the words of Jesus and of the Old Testament. He was not given a carte blanche outside of that.

That would be to blaspheme the Holy name by we are called by to salvation.

Today men may bind and loose. But it is only effective in their own particular circles. It is not an authority given them by God. That was limited to the Apostles in interpreting the message of Christ and in interpreting the Old Testament.

We are not to think of the apostles above that which is written as a way of puffing them upas infalible interpreters. There is no daysman as an infallible umpire between God and man. Even Christ as the Son of man replied only God is good. God does not want us to think of Him after any form. God is Spirit without a begining or end of Spirit life. He remain without mother and father as a human being.

All Christians are given the authority of God in which the gates of hell could never prevail against. As that we have in these earthen vessels of death.

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be “of God”, and not “of us”.

It is simply not of us if it is of God. No man can serve two masters.

It was not after the private interpretation of Peter as the things of men .That would describe the working of the antichrist Satan that influences men, as the things of natural man . They offend God according the things of God (faith) .

Having that faith in respect to Peter defines the antichrists who were already there working to deceive men to believe that we do need men to teach us. Same context.

That can be easily seen by moving down a couple of verses.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: “this shall not be untothee”.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the “things that be of God”, but “those that be of men”. . Mat 16:22

Satan has no form of his own always uses a creature , just as he did in respect to the fall. Same subtleness , different creature, Peter.

 

[Marcelo]

Originally Posted by Marcelo

What Christian denominations have authority to bind or loose?


None..

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When I asked the question above, my intention was to turn our awareness to the fact that many denominations abuse the authority to bind and loose. Some prohibit working on Saturdays, using contraceptive pills, watching TV, etc, while others permit infant baptism, remarriage (for people who divorced apart from adultery), using the pulpit for political campaigns, etc.

We must be aware that many denominations are run by blind leaders and what they loose (or bind) on earth, may not be loosed (or bound) in heaven.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

What Christian denominations have authority to bind or loose?

Only a Christian who has Faith in God; the God kind of Faith. In other words, those who have Faith exclusively in God's redemption plan. What is God's redemption plan? Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The New Covenant. All other Christians are under a curse!

 

[popeye]

How can we know if scholars are right?

Many respected biblical scholars say that the words BIND and LOOSE, in Mt 16:19, mean FORBID and PERMIT and, in Mt 18:18, they mean ADMIT/EXCOMMUNICATE. There are, however, Bible commentators who say that these words refer to demons and infirmities. Who is right?

Firstly, when Jesus said that "whatever is bound on Earth will have been bound in Heaven", his disciples already had authority to cast out demons and cure diseases. This is the first indication that in Mt 16 and 18 the words BIND and LOOSE do not refer to evil spirits or infirmities. The second indication is that the casting out of demons and the cure of diseases don't require ENDORSEMENT from God.

If some church leaders decide, for example, that women will no longer be allowed to attend services with their heads uncovered, many members will question if that instruction came from God or from men. To effect changes in the customs, church leaders need endorsement from God - they must use Scriptures and the guidance of the Holy Ghost. So, in this context, the translations FORBID and PERMIT really make sense.

MY OPINION: I agree with the scholars who say that, in Mt 16:19, BIND/LOOSE mean FORBID/PERMIT and, in Mt 18:18, LOOSE means EXCOMMUNICATE.

The translations ARREST/RELEASE (for demons) and INFLICT/SET FREE (for diseases) don't make sense in the contexts above.

Those reinterpreting binding and loosing (authority if the believer),are for the most part cessationists. They end up with egg on their faces when the scriptures are introduced.

To cessationists,they decide how much power God is allowed by their extra biblical restrictions.

Nothing ceased.

I can not and will not sit up to that table.

He rules in power. Power over sickness,disease,addictions,curses,and demons in politics.

He can do it all. I will not be a part of ridiculous disenfranchisement.

 

[popeye]

Matt 18:18,19

I made a sign with that verse. It is in my front yard.

I stood for a month solid night and day petitioning the throne with that verse.

Look up "Cushing disease" on dogs .

Never cured. 100% fatal

NOT ANYMORE!!!!!

JESUS THANK YOU FOR MAT 18:18

THANK YOU THAT THERE NEVER IS A TIME WHEN DISEASE WINS.