Deut 7:12-11:25 Moses speaks on OBEDIENCE to the 2nd generation

[BenAvraham]

PARASHA: EKEV (as a result)

DEUT 7:12-11:25...............ISAIAH 49:14-51:3.....................ROM 8:31-39

This study starts out with Moshe exhorting his people, "IF" you hearken to these judgments and keep, and do them......" This is a conditional promise.....He will love thee and bless thee, and multiply thee...... We see the blessings from obedience, but on the other hand, curses will follow disobedience. What are "judgments" one asks? There are various meanings in Hebrew, but one is the outcome of our correctly applying the Torah commandments in our interrelationships between our God and our fellow man.

Moshe is speaking to the second generation of Israelites. These people were only children and in their teenage years when they left Egypt, and 40 years have gone by, perhaps some have just a scant memory of all that YHVH did, so Moshe is reminding them, since they are about to enter "Eretz C'anaan" they must not forget, and they must obey and love the LORD, since the evidence of Adonai's caring for them has been witnessed by all. Moshe mentioned all the things that YHVH did to protect them and care for them in the past 40 years.

BUT.....he also reminds them that they were NOT chosen because they are or were a specially righteous people, Oh no, he says they are "stiff necked" but because the other nations were evil, Yet Adonai loved them and still does, "unconditionally", as He loves us all, unconditionally. Even though we do evil, and sin, he still loves us and showed his love on Calvary's cross. Yet as a father loves his children, when we rebel and sin, YHVH will chastise us, and yea, he will suffer, just as Israel suffered and was punished for rebelling
yet His love did not and does not falter. Moshe reminds the people of their rebellion and how they "provoked" the anger of Adonai, "Remember and forget not how thou provokedst the LORD thy God to wrath........(vs 7) That should be a lesson for us all, how the evil are punished and destroyed

10:12 "And now Israel (includes us all) what doeth YHVH they God require of thee, but the fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, to love Him, to serve him with all thy heart and soul, to keep the commandments of the LORD thy God"

When we see this verse, we see the word "fear" the LORD, it is a "fear" related to respect as one respects a king, a leader, not a fear related to terror, and IF we FEAR the LORD, Then...we will WANT to follow his WAYS. What are His ways? All the mitzvoth that are recorded in the Torah, but most important, the recognition that OUR WAYS are sinful, and that we come to a saving knowledge of Yeshua HaMashiach, so that we are re-united in fellowship with our heavenly Father through YESHUA. Then, we will have the desire to serve HIM and walk in his WAYS, the ways of Torah, the LIVING Torah, who is Yeshua.

10:16 "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart"........Moshe's words reflect the importance of "Spiritual circumcision" vs "physical circumcision". Not that physical circumcision is not important, it is for health sake for males, yet "spiritual circumcision" means a "spiritual conversion" it means being "born again" and rebel no more. Remember that "flesh and blood" can not inherit the Kingdom of God, only the Spirit can,
So we must be "born again" to inherit the Kingdom,
____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _________________

ISAIAH 49:14-51:3

"But Zion said, the LORD hath forsaken me, and has forgotten me" this thought was in the minds of the Israelites because of all the chastisement , of all the bad things happening because of Israel's rebellion. YET God has promised to protect and preserve his people, and we read that the nations around Israel will receive the remnant.(49:22) The Israelites were dispersed to many countries of the diaspora, to Germany and East Europe (Ashkenazim)
to Spain, North Africa and middle east (Sephardim) and to Africa (Falashim) and of course, later on, do to immigration, to the USA, Mexico, Central and South America. In spite of the persecution and pogroms, Ha Am Y'hudi lives on and will live and be blessed for ever, and the promise of Abraham still is in effect; "I will bless those who bless thee, and curse those who curse thee" The nations that bless Israel, and uphold Israel, will indeed be blessed.
____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _________________
ROM 8:31-39

"What shall we say then, if God be for us, who can be against us?" We can see this from the time of Noah, Moshe, and throughout history, If Ha Satan is against us, then YHVH stepped in and came to earth as a human, and gave his life for us all, being our sin atonement, He gave us YESHUAH through YESHUA HA BEN, Ben Adonai, Ben David, Ben Adam, even though we go through tribulation, suffering, and even death, our eternal life is secure, what is then our earthly life, just a vapor, a passing thing, we are here today and gone tomorrow, yet FOR EVER with the KING OF KINGS and LORD of Lords.

Shabbat Shalom. rabbi Ben Avraham

 

[lastofall]

"Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" (Hebrews 5:8)

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:20)

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 18:3)

 

[disciplemike]

It sounds like God does expect us to obey His commands.
This goes against the popular opinion in this forum, in my opinion.

"And because you listen to these rules and keep and do them, YHVH your God will keep with you the covenant and the steadfast love that he swore to your fathers. He will love you, bless you, and multiply you. He will also bless the fruit of your womb and the fruit of your ground, your grain and your wine and your oil, the increase of your herds and the young of your flock, in the land that he swore to your fathers to give you.
Deuteronomy 7:12-13 (ESV2011, MBM)

 

[Ahwatukee]

It sounds like God does expect us to obey His commands.
This goes against the popular opinion in this forum, in my opinion.

Morning disciplemike,

That scripture there in Deuteronomy is for Israel according to the law that they were under. Whenever reading scriptures like the one above, you need to make the distinction of who is being spoken to, which regarding the above, is Israel. When Jesus met the righteous requirements of the law and paid the penalty for our sins, believers in Christ are not under the law that God gave to Israel, but under a completely new covenant in the shed blood of Christ. In short, the scripture that you posted above does not apply to those in Christ, for as so many here have tried to make clear to you, those in Christ are not saved by the keeping of the works of the law, but are saved by grace through faith apart from works.

Salvation is a free gift given to those who trust in Christ as the One who provided salvation for them by the shedding of his blood. From the time that we receive Christ and as we yield to him, the Holy Spirit begins our life long transformation into the image of Christ, taking on the nature of God, which is the fruit of the Spirit.

Anyone who attempts to enter in by the keeping of the law will fail and will not enter into eternal life.

 

[Yonah]

He does and always has if we would be his people.

 

[disciplemike]

Morning disciplemike,

That scripture there in Deuteronomy is for Israel according to the law that they were under. Whenever reading scriptures like the one above, you need to make the distinction of who is being spoken to, which regarding the above, is Israel. When Jesus met the righteous requirements of the law and paid the penalty for our sins, believers in Christ are not under the law that God gave to Israel, but under a completely new covenant in the shed blood of Christ. In short, the scripture that you posted above does not apply to those in Christ, for as so many here have tried to make clear to you, those in Christ are not saved by the keeping of the works of the law, but are saved by grace through faith apart from works.

Salvation is a free gift given to those who trust in Christ as the One who provided salvation for them by the shedding of his blood. From the time that we receive Christ and as we yield to him, the Holy Spirit begins our life long transformation into the image of Christ, taking on the nature of God, which is the fruit of the Spirit.

Anyone who attempts to enter in by the keeping of the law will fail and will not enter into eternal life.

who said anything about salvation?
did you read the passage?
God still expects His people to obey Him.
To deny that is just stupid.

 

[Yonah]

lets take a look at this new covenant: Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
so first lets see who is being spoken to here, Israel right? now Paul was speaking to Roman converts who as he puts it are now grafted in and therefore are partakers of the promises pertaining to the chosen nation of Israel, if we be grafted in then we are no longer outside these promises, so if we be inside then this new covenant now applies to us, looking at the new covenant it clearly states his law will be written on our hearts... does that say done away with or made null and void? no if his law is written in our hearts do we ignore its existence and claim our Savior nailed it to the cross, no and col. 2:14 doesn't say that either as many mistakenly claim, the law was never designed for salvation but rather is teaching and instruction for those who are walking in it, (salvation) the Savior never came to remove the law but to bring better understanding as to its application in the life and faith of the believer...

 

[PaulMack]

True, we are to obey the Commandments of God. But we are NOT to obey the commandments and Traditions of men like you disciplemike.

Matthew 22:34-40
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. [SUP]35 [/SUP]One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, [SUP]36 [/SUP]“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” [SUP]37 [/SUP]And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the great and foremost commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

These disciplemike are the Commandments we are to keep. These Commandments i do know for a fact that you do not keep disciplemike. Jesus says "Love your neighbor", which you refuse to keep.

Instead you are like the Pharisees. Trying to keep man's laws.

 

[disciplemike]

True, we are to obey the Commandments of God. But we are NOT to obey the commandments and Traditions of men like you disciplemike.

which traditions of men am I keeping? teach me.
because I do want to shun the traditions of men.

 

[Utah]

"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:20)

The righteousness Jesus talks about pertains to having faith in Him which the Pharisees did not have then nor now.

 

[FreeNChrist]

PARASHA: EKEV (as a result)

DEUT 7:12-11:25...............ISAIAH 49:14-51:3.....................ROM 8:31-39

This study starts out with Moshe exhorting his people, "IF" you hearken to these judgments and keep, and do them......" This is a conditional promise.....He will love thee and bless thee, and multiply thee...... We see the blessings from obedience, but on the other hand, curses will follow disobedience. What are "judgments" one asks? There are various meanings in Hebrew, but one is the outcome of our correctly applying the Torah commandments in our interrelationships between our God and our fellow man.

Moshe is speaking to the second generation of Israelites. These people were only children and in their teenage years when they left Egypt, and 40 years have gone by, perhaps some have just a scant memory of all that YHVH did, so Moshe is reminding them, since they are about to enter "Eretz C'anaan" they must not forget, and they must obey and love the LORD, since the evidence of Adonai's caring for them has been witnessed by all. Moshe mentioned all the things that YHVH did to protect them and care for them in the past 40 years.

BUT.....he also reminds them that they were NOT chosen because they are or were a specially righteous people, Oh no, he says they are "stiff necked" but because the other nations were evil, Yet Adonai loved them and still does, "unconditionally", as He loves us all, unconditionally. Even though we do evil, and sin, he still loves us and showed his love on Calvary's cross. Yet as a father loves his children, when we rebel and sin, YHVH will chastise us, and yea, he will suffer, just as Israel suffered and was punished for rebelling
yet His love did not and does not falter. Moshe reminds the people of their rebellion and how they "provoked" the anger of Adonai, "Remember and forget not how thou provokedst the LORD thy God to wrath........(vs 7) That should be a lesson for us all, how the evil are punished and destroyed

10:12 "And now Israel (includes us all) what doeth YHVH they God require of thee, but the fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, to love Him, to serve him with all thy heart and soul, to keep the commandments of the LORD thy God"

When we see this verse, we see the word "fear" the LORD, it is a "fear" related to respect as one respects a king, a leader, not a fear related to terror, and IF we FEAR the LORD, Then...we will WANT to follow his WAYS. What are His ways? All the mitzvoth that are recorded in the Torah, but most important, the recognition that OUR WAYS are sinful, and that we come to a saving knowledge of Yeshua HaMashiach, so that we are re-united in fellowship with our heavenly Father through YESHUA. Then, we will have the desire to serve HIM and walk in his WAYS, the ways of Torah, the LIVING Torah, who is Yeshua.

10:16 "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart"........Moshe's words reflect the importance of "Spiritual circumcision" vs "physical circumcision". Not that physical circumcision is not important, it is for health sake for males, yet "spiritual circumcision" means a "spiritual conversion" it means being "born again" and rebel no more. Remember that "flesh and blood" can not inherit the Kingdom of God, only the Spirit can,
So we must be "born again" to inherit the Kingdom,
____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _________________

ISAIAH 49:14-51:3

"But Zion said, the LORD hath forsaken me, and has forgotten me" this thought was in the minds of the Israelites because of all the chastisement , of all the bad things happening because of Israel's rebellion. YET God has promised to protect and preserve his people, and we read that the nations around Israel will receive the remnant.(49:22) The Israelites were dispersed to many countries of the diaspora, to Germany and East Europe (Ashkenazim)
to Spain, North Africa and middle east (Sephardim) and to Africa (Falashim) and of course, later on, do to immigration, to the USA, Mexico, Central and South America. In spite of the persecution and pogroms, Ha Am Y'hudi lives on and will live and be blessed for ever, and the promise of Abraham still is in effect; "I will bless those who bless thee, and curse those who curse thee" The nations that bless Israel, and uphold Israel, will indeed be blessed.
____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _________________
ROM 8:31-39

"What shall we say then, if God be for us, who can be against us?" We can see this from the time of Noah, Moshe, and throughout history, If Ha Satan is against us, then YHVH stepped in and came to earth as a human, and gave his life for us all, being our sin atonement, He gave us YESHUAH through YESHUA HA BEN, Ben Adonai, Ben David, Ben Adam, even though we go through tribulation, suffering, and even death, our eternal life is secure, what is then our earthly life, just a vapor, a passing thing, we are here today and gone tomorrow, yet FOR EVER with the KING OF KINGS and LORD of Lords.

Shabbat Shalom. rabbi Ben Avraham

I think you're looking for the 'Hebrew Chat' website.

 

[Grandpa]

Is this extra instructions for playing Mario Kart?

Is Moshe the dinosaur one that lays the eggs?

My character is usually Mario. What does Mario say to his people? Moshe seems kind of harsh.

 

[disciplemike]

I think you're looking for the 'Hebrew Chat' website.

You have something against the Bible?
Most xtians accept the Scriptures.

 

[gb9]

not to speak for freenchrist, but I have something against not rightly dividing the Words of truth. 2 testaments, 2 covenants .

Christianity is not a upgraded version of Judaism.

 

[disciplemike]

a lot more than 2 covenants.
and you have to be grafted into Israel to be partakers, my friend.

 

[gb9]

a lot more than 2 covenants.
and you have to be grafted into Israel to be partakers, my friend.

um. no you have to BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ to be a partaker. yes, I understand that Paul talked about being grafting in in Romans, but not the way you are saying.

 

[disciplemike]

um. no you have to BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ to be a partaker. yes, I understand that Paul talked about being grafting in in Romans, but not the way you are saying.

According to Scripture, the covenants belong to Israel.
I mean, you can try to be grafted into North Dakota, but I don't see the point.

and yes, we believe in the redemptive work of Yeshua HaMashiach.

 

[BenAvraham]

It is always good for believers to respond. Yes, we are saved by GRACE, by GRACE only. However, we must always remember the words of Yeshua, "If you love me, you will obey my commandments" obedience to God's WORD is a result OF salvation, NOT in order TO be SAVED. The commandments for Israel, Yes, many of those are NOT for today, especially those that deal with the sacrificial system, the Mishkan (Tabernacle) the Levitical priesthood, Those can not be followed today, yet if we read and study the mitzvoth (commandments) there are still many that are for today. As for the word LAW, it is a misinterpretation, many take it as "Legalism" yet the original meaning for the word LAW, is TORAH, which means "teaching and instruction" so if we say "we are not under the LAW" the real meaning of that would be "We are not under what God teaches us and instructs us to do" really, we aren't ? then under whose instructions and teachings are we under ? We are either following the teachings of Adonai, or HaSatan, can't follow both

 

[Grandpa]

It is always good for believers to respond. Yes, we are saved by GRACE, by GRACE only. However, we must always remember the words of Yeshua, "If you love me, you will obey my commandments" obedience to God's WORD is a result OF salvation, NOT in order TO be SAVED. The commandments for Israel, Yes, many of those are NOT for today, especially those that deal with the sacrificial system, the Mishkan (Tabernacle) the Levitical priesthood, Those can not be followed today, yet if we read and study the mitzvoth (commandments) there are still many that are for today. As for the word LAW, it is a misinterpretation, many take it as "Legalism" yet the original meaning for the word LAW, is TORAH, which means "teaching and instruction" so if we say "we are not under the LAW" the real meaning of that would be "We are not under what God teaches us and instructs us to do" really, we aren't ? then under whose instructions and teachings are we under ? We are either following the teachings of Adonai, or HaSatan, can't follow both

The real question is "Have you received rest from the Lord Jesus Christ"?

If you had then you would actually understand the "instructions" God was giving.

But if you go back to your carnal understanding of what you think the law says and your carnal ability to complete that law then you not only don't understand the true intent of the law but you don't have faith in what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us.

What part of the Law, exactly, did the Lord Jesus Christ say was finished? Did He say that He came to bring salvation to bulls and goats? Did He give rest to levitical priests only?

Its really strange how people who try to teach their carnal understanding of the law always have to negate parts of it because they can't follow those parts. I don't see anywhere in the bible where it says this is ok. Can you show me???

 

[disciplemike]

amazing how people claim to love God, but then they don't want His instructions.
Lawlessness.
Didn't work for native Israelites. Won't work now.