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If one is going to live by the law - then he is obligated to live by all of it. There are no "parts" to the Law. Saying that some are for us and some are not is just watering down the Law to make it seem "do-able" but in reality "law-keepers" have a very low respect for the Law and in fact break the law every day.
Romans 10:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. [SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
We have died to the Law SO THAT we might live unto God.
Galatians 2:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
There is no justification or right standing with God because one "keeps the law". Christians live by faith - faith in Christ and what He has already done and we live by His life in us now.
Galatians 3:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
The Law is NOT of faith and if you practice the Law - you must live by it.
Galatians 3:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
When we are trying to keep the law of which circumcision is a part of - we are obligated to keep the whole law ( Remember there are NO PARTS to the law - it is either all or live by Christ by grace through faith in His finished work on the cross and resurrection )
Galatians 5:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the wholelaw.
We can trust the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ in us to lead us into life in Him. Let's eat from the tree of Life - which is Christ Himself in us. The Law is eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Choose Christ. He is our life. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. ( NOT in the law of Moses )
Romans 10:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. [SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
We have died to the Law SO THAT we might live unto God.
Galatians 2:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
There is no justification or right standing with God because one "keeps the law". Christians live by faith - faith in Christ and what He has already done and we live by His life in us now.
Galatians 3:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
The Law is NOT of faith and if you practice the Law - you must live by it.
Galatians 3:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
When we are trying to keep the law of which circumcision is a part of - we are obligated to keep the whole law ( Remember there are NO PARTS to the law - it is either all or live by Christ by grace through faith in His finished work on the cross and resurrection )
Galatians 5:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the wholelaw.
We can trust the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ in us to lead us into life in Him. Let's eat from the tree of Life - which is Christ Himself in us. The Law is eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Choose Christ. He is our life. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. ( NOT in the law of Moses )
If Judaism was the way to God I would have a tent set up in the back yard with a brass laver, shewbread, menorah, mercy seat, sacrificial animals, the whole 9 1/2 yards.
I would be more Jewish than Ye'all. lol.
But its not the way. It was a shadow of what was to come. A physical representation of the spiritual Truth.
I would be more Jewish than Ye'all. lol.
But its not the way. It was a shadow of what was to come. A physical representation of the spiritual Truth.
Salvation is NOT limited to going to heaven one day. Salvation means in this life on earth too. We live by the life of Christ and not by the law of Moses no matter how much we try to make it "do-able". Christians are dead to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself.
We read the Old Covenant to see Jesus in it - not for rules to obey. This is what is meant by living by the flesh - perfecting the flesh...etc. We live now by the Spirit within us which manifest the life of Christ in us for living and life and salvation now and not by the Law of Moses.
Salvation means peace, wholeness, deliverance, preservation. All these come by Christ's life only - NOT by the Law of Moses.
We read the Old Covenant to see Jesus in it - not for rules to obey. This is what is meant by living by the flesh - perfecting the flesh...etc. We live now by the Spirit within us which manifest the life of Christ in us for living and life and salvation now and not by the Law of Moses.
Salvation means peace, wholeness, deliverance, preservation. All these come by Christ's life only - NOT by the Law of Moses.
The book of Hebrews is all about returning to the law. It is a severe warning to that action. The only profit is if you use certain principles as wise practices . But there is no spiritual benefit . Paul clearly teaches us that the purpose of the law is to make us guilty/show our sinfulness. The Bible says that the Law is the strength of sin. You want to sin more? Trykeeping the Law. It works well for that. Thats why you feel condemned when you fail, thats the purpose of the law. And it does its job perfectly!
So are you saying that if you let your land lie fallow for a year to let it rest and be more fruitful next year, it is bondage, a curse and masochistic?
Are you saying that if you choose not to yolk and ox and a donkey together, there will be no blessing in having an evenly plowed field?
Are you saying that if you pay your employees on time, you won't have a good reputation with them, and avoid legal trouble?
Those things don't sound masochistic to me.
Are you saying that if you choose not to yolk and ox and a donkey together, there will be no blessing in having an evenly plowed field?
Are you saying that if you pay your employees on time, you won't have a good reputation with them, and avoid legal trouble?
Those things don't sound masochistic to me.
No. (although I know that there are some groups that teach that.) Modern technology (feminine hygiene products) negates the need for tha physical instruction.
But more importantly, why did God originally give that instruction? What were the physical benefits, and are there any spiritual lessons we can gain from that instruction today?
But more importantly, why did God originally give that instruction? What were the physical benefits, and are there any spiritual lessons we can gain from that instruction today?
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Then your entire theology and what you are pushing on me is a complete and utter failure....you cannot simply parse physcial law and spiritual law...it is impossible and hardly biblical.
James 2.9-10 says:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
This tells me since you do not do the physical parts of the law and are showing partiality to obeying the WHOLE law you are sinning.
James 2.9-10 says:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
This tells me since you do not do the physical parts of the law and are showing partiality to obeying the WHOLE law you are sinning.
I've never claimed that I do the whole law physically, nor that I need to. The foundation of my theology is that I am saved by the grace and mercy of Jesus' sacrifice. Therefore, any obedience to the law is merely a response to that salvation.
I freely admit that I can't keep the entire law. But that is where the grace and mercy and forgiveness comes in. Obedience to the law was never intended to save, so my obedience to it, or my failure at it has no bearing on my salvation.
I freely admit that I can't keep the entire law. But that is where the grace and mercy and forgiveness comes in. Obedience to the law was never intended to save, so my obedience to it, or my failure at it has no bearing on my salvation.
Pick and choose much? Makes one wonder why the Apostles struggled with how much Law to burden Christians with. 
But you didn't answer my original question. Are there any physical blessings in following those three commands, I mentioned?