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is there an echo in this thread?
you are not a part of the Aaronic priesthood
you have no authority to proclaim the flight of a bird let alone that which God instituted to instruct HIS people in their lives
you are a little child play acting in the big school of life on a stage that, for you, still has the curtained closed since you insist you are a law keeper
[FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]Torah-observant groups justify their position on the basis of selected verses, while ignoring others.[/FONT][FONT="] Much is made of the term "forever" used in regard to some Old Testament laws, while verses such as Hebrews 8:13 that speak of the first covenant as being "obsolete," are not dealt with. Further, they ignore what theologians commonly call the "history of redemption," the progress of God's dealings with humankind throughout history. Jesus has indeed brought something new, but the Torah-observant groups minimize the newness that the coming of the Messiah has meant. In addition, they minimize the way much Old Testament law functioned to distinguish Israel from the nations[/FONT]
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The Messiah did His part for sure. There is no hope without the redemptive work of Yeshua HaMashiach.
Here is the thing most people miss.
It is not one God telling us about His Holy Days in Leviticus 23, and then a completely different God going to the cross.
It is the same God! Hear, O Israel, YHVH our God is One.
The Holy Days in Leviticus 23 belong to the Messiah!
Think about that for a while.
Here is the thing most people miss.
It is not one God telling us about His Holy Days in Leviticus 23, and then a completely different God going to the cross.
It is the same God! Hear, O Israel, YHVH our God is One.
The Holy Days in Leviticus 23 belong to the Messiah!
Think about that for a while.
First, let me be clear about something: If you find joy in celebrating a seventh-day of rest and Biblical Feasts, I'm cool with that. I'm cool with ethnic Hebrews celebrating their heritage in the Biblical Feasts.
What I'm not cool with are these 2 things:
NO ONE today actually keeps or properly observes the Biblical Sabbath(s) and Feasts.
What you're doing is 'keeping' a law of your own creation, not The Law as God gave it in the Scriptures.
Unless you're going to Jerusalem for the appointed times and offering your sacrifices, it's like you're trying to jump to the moon. It's not happening.
And the Scriptures are clear: If you fail in just one point of the Law, you have failed at it all, and are Lawless - the very thing you seek to avoid.
-JGIG
What I'm not cool with are these 2 things:
- Those who exhort believers that they should be celebrating them too, and
- The notion that anyone is 'KEEPING/OBSERVING' the Biblical Sabbath(s) and Feasts
NO ONE today actually keeps or properly observes the Biblical Sabbath(s) and Feasts.
What you're doing is 'keeping' a law of your own creation, not The Law as God gave it in the Scriptures.
Unless you're going to Jerusalem for the appointed times and offering your sacrifices, it's like you're trying to jump to the moon. It's not happening.
And the Scriptures are clear: If you fail in just one point of the Law, you have failed at it all, and are Lawless - the very thing you seek to avoid.
-JGIG
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Now this is a post from one of disciplemike's first efforts at pushing Hebrew Roots
this, is how he interprets Colossians 2:16. he does not agree with what it plainly states, but decides that Paul meant the opposite
7/3/2016 post 22
that thread is still running and you can find it titled 'so what about the 4th commandment?'
this poster joined 7/1/2016 so this is from his first offerings
this, is how he interprets Colossians 2:16. he does not agree with what it plainly states, but decides that Paul meant the opposite
7/3/2016 post 22
that thread is still running and you can find it titled 'so what about the 4th commandment?'
this poster joined 7/1/2016 so this is from his first offerings
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How did Jesus fulfill (past tense) Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Feast of Tabernacles?
How did Jesus fulfill Passover, Feast of unleavened bread, Feast of weeks, First Fruits, and Shavuot/Pentecost?
The reason I ask is because the belief of some here is that all of the law Christ has fulfilled, made complete. I don't see that as being truth if we are still waiting for Jesus to fulfill these Fall feasts.
How did Jesus fulfill Passover, Feast of unleavened bread, Feast of weeks, First Fruits, and Shavuot/Pentecost?
The reason I ask is because the belief of some here is that all of the law Christ has fulfilled, made complete. I don't see that as being truth if we are still waiting for Jesus to fulfill these Fall feasts.
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it is very common for a person to attempt to answer viable objections to outrageous beliefs that are not biblical, by insulting the person who points out the error
believers in Christ do not disdain the commandments the way you appear to disdain the sacrifice of God's Son by saying things like 'He did His part'
the entire part was His...you are impotent and cannot save a fly on a wall
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so you deny what scripture plainly says then
doctrines of demons...anyone who denies Christ's work is in danger of not being saved
read the New Testament...it's very sobering
I keep the entire law because Christ is the entire law...He kept it all...He is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world
He is God's plan for the salvation of mankind
whosoever will may come
Jesus did not partially die...He gave up His life and God raised Him up again...we are raised from death to life in Christ
you are not Jewish...Jewish Christians indicate that you Hebrew Roots folk and lawkeepers do not know what you are talking about as per the op
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haha...what no popcorn?
a nice cold one is good now and then....
ps...thx for the rep!
on the serious side...I am passionate...folks seem to want to deny Christ, and say things like He did His 'part' and now we have someone saying Christ has left things unfullfilled when the NT states the exact opposite!
and this same person says 'blasphemy' to someone in another thread
in my book, stating Christ's work is unfinished is blasphemy
this teaching, this stupid I am a Jew because I learn Hebrew and call Jesus Yashua, is doctrines of demons IMO...it takes away from Christ's work and puts the onus and the spotlight on the sad attempts at self righteousness
Jesus dis his 'part'...but the hard stuff is up to us...sick
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the following article can be found on the JEWS FOR JESUS website
makes for very interesting reading when you consider these people are actually Jewish and have been born again
As Jewish believers, we often encourage Gentile Christians to learn about the Jewish roots of their faith. Many benefit from the insights they gain from these connections. However, a growing segment of believers are demonstrating an excessive interest in their Jewish roots, which can be harmful to their spiritual health.
These people have forgotten that God loves every nation, and that all cultures have unique contributions to make to the Body of Messiah. Gentiles who say, "We are no longer Gentiles, regardless of our background" are confused and on the road to spiritual trouble. Adherents of the so-called "Two House Theory" constitute one group that has fallen into this kind of error.
Hebraic Roots teachers call upon believers to study Hebrew and learn about Jewish culture, which most of us can appreciate. More often than not, however, they call Gentiles to a Torah-observant and/or festival observant lifestyle as a means of drawing closer to Jesus and being conformed to His image. The implication is, if you really want to please God, if you really want to be holy, here are the rules. Even though most do not believe these observances are necessary for one's salvation, there is often an implication that this is the higher way. Scripture warns against such things.
MORE HERE
makes for very interesting reading when you consider these people are actually Jewish and have been born again
As Jewish believers, we often encourage Gentile Christians to learn about the Jewish roots of their faith. Many benefit from the insights they gain from these connections. However, a growing segment of believers are demonstrating an excessive interest in their Jewish roots, which can be harmful to their spiritual health.
These people have forgotten that God loves every nation, and that all cultures have unique contributions to make to the Body of Messiah. Gentiles who say, "We are no longer Gentiles, regardless of our background" are confused and on the road to spiritual trouble. Adherents of the so-called "Two House Theory" constitute one group that has fallen into this kind of error.
Hebraic Roots teachers call upon believers to study Hebrew and learn about Jewish culture, which most of us can appreciate. More often than not, however, they call Gentiles to a Torah-observant and/or festival observant lifestyle as a means of drawing closer to Jesus and being conformed to His image. The implication is, if you really want to please God, if you really want to be holy, here are the rules. Even though most do not believe these observances are necessary for one's salvation, there is often an implication that this is the higher way. Scripture warns against such things.
MORE HERE
Who is still waiting?
Matthew 5:18 [FONT="]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[/FONT]If all has not been fulfilled then we are currently under every jot and every tittle of the law. Every single one.
Including animal sacrifice, etc.
Not a whole lot of Christians sacrificing animals. I wonder why not?
Matthew 5:18 [FONT="]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[/FONT]If all has not been fulfilled then we are currently under every jot and every tittle of the law. Every single one.
Including animal sacrifice, etc.
Not a whole lot of Christians sacrificing animals. I wonder why not?