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I hear you loud and clear.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Well, what happened? Either The Lord Jesus Christ was just kidding and some jots and tittles will pass from the law, or all Hebrew Roots people are completely incorrect in their philosophy.
I don't see how saying "I can't do it" changes anything the Lord Jesus Christ says.
By the way, no one can do it. Especially the pharisee type who think they are the experts at keeping the law.
That's why we need a Saviour. If you could keep the law what use is a Saviour??? You would be righteous, you would be blessed all by your own will and strength and understanding.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Well, what happened? Either The Lord Jesus Christ was just kidding and some jots and tittles will pass from the law, or all Hebrew Roots people are completely incorrect in their philosophy.
I don't see how saying "I can't do it" changes anything the Lord Jesus Christ says.
By the way, no one can do it. Especially the pharisee type who think they are the experts at keeping the law.
That's why we need a Saviour. If you could keep the law what use is a Saviour??? You would be righteous, you would be blessed all by your own will and strength and understanding.
first off, of course we need a Savior. we have all sinned. The wages of sin is death. no argument there.
however, here is the flaw in what you are suggesting. There is no where in the Bible (that I am aware of) where God says, "if you keep the law perfectly, your reward is eternal salvation". You can look, but it is not there.
So, when people say, "you are trying to keep the law and be your own Savior", it is baloney. No such concept. Eternal salvation was never offered as a prize for perfectly keeping the law. But does that mean we should ignore the commandments of God? Of course not.
however, here is the flaw in what you are suggesting. There is no where in the Bible (that I am aware of) where God says, "if you keep the law perfectly, your reward is eternal salvation". You can look, but it is not there.
So, when people say, "you are trying to keep the law and be your own Savior", it is baloney. No such concept. Eternal salvation was never offered as a prize for perfectly keeping the law. But does that mean we should ignore the commandments of God? Of course not.
L
we HAVE a Savior....you have written all over these forums about how you need to keep the law and Christ has only done His 'part'...implying, the rest is up to us. There is NO up to us
you change your tune to try and fit in, but you have pretty much kept to the same words throughout your threads
there is not salvation through any sort of lawkeeping...at any rate, you CAN"T keep the law...because the law is not bits and pieces...it is one whole unit
honestly, this is a bunch of drivel and totally AGAINST what the word says
you teach obedience before salvation...you teach OT law and seem to think you have become a rare Gentile Jew...that is a silly construct of your own mind
the Bible says no such things as what you and your group and similar groups teach
There's nothing wrong with trying to get along with the other members of this site, Mike. This may take time, patience and understanding but it will be worth it and you may find that the people that read your posts and interact with you will be more receptive to your message that you are trying to relate.
L
Something else ... Christians do not disagree with the law...and neither does the NT.
however, torah observant non-Jewish Gentiles, which you are, teach a person must be law observant
from all your fleshy efforts, one must conclude that your law observance is APART from the righteousness of Christ
21But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness is given through faith in[SUP]h[/SUP] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[SUP]i[/SUP] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—
26he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Romans 3
however, torah observant non-Jewish Gentiles, which you are, teach a person must be law observant
from all your fleshy efforts, one must conclude that your law observance is APART from the righteousness of Christ
21But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness is given through faith in[SUP]h[/SUP] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[SUP]i[/SUP] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—
26he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Romans 3
There are those that are deceived into thinking that they can turn themselves into Jews by acting Jewish and changing the names of people in the English scriptures to use Hebrew names instead. It's all to do with the flesh.
These are the ones that real Messianic Jews that are Christians reject their religion of going back tot he Law of Moses for life and living.
Lauren had put up a quote from Jews for Jesus website refuting these false religious claims of some of the Hebrew Roots people.
These are the ones that real Messianic Jews that are Christians reject their religion of going back tot he Law of Moses for life and living.
Lauren had put up a quote from Jews for Jesus website refuting these false religious claims of some of the Hebrew Roots people.
L
he won't answer that or he will twist the scriptures
after studying up on these groups, the actually do ignore scripture that contradicts their practices...that is not opinion..that is established fact
easily proven, as the only way you can practice half the law and think you have become a Jew, is by twisting alot of scripture and then ignoring entire doctrines
after studying up on these groups, the actually do ignore scripture that contradicts their practices...that is not opinion..that is established fact
easily proven, as the only way you can practice half the law and think you have become a Jew, is by twisting alot of scripture and then ignoring entire doctrines
Hi Grandpa:
"I think you two are missing the point. The Holy Bible is an integrated message system, the product of supernatural engineering. Every number, every place name, every detail every jot and tittle is there for our learning, our discovery, and our amazement."
We have a amazing God that has done everything to tell us the whole story. Many do not listen.
Have a Blessed Day!
Blade
in our journey, our story, thus far, our heartfelt desire, hope, faith, unto the end of our lives,
is to serve in all of the ways that our Saviour leads and desires for us, - we don't have any reason
to question -
or any desire to challenge anyone, 'unless it's satan trying to interfere and distort'.-
our whole goal, reason for being born and living is to be the best son and daughter and servant
that we can be, for Jesus, and our brethren...
this is what we have found to be the whole meaning of our lives and the reason that we were created for
while living on this evil, earthly domain...
we have definitely bought into God's plan described in the OT and the NT, = 100 percent...
is to serve in all of the ways that our Saviour leads and desires for us, - we don't have any reason
to question -
or any desire to challenge anyone, 'unless it's satan trying to interfere and distort'.-
our whole goal, reason for being born and living is to be the best son and daughter and servant
that we can be, for Jesus, and our brethren...
this is what we have found to be the whole meaning of our lives and the reason that we were created for
while living on this evil, earthly domain...
we have definitely bought into God's plan described in the OT and the NT, = 100 percent...
L
the old covenant is not done away with...I'm no law keeper
however, it is not true it is done away with
it is fulfilled in Christ...if you are in Christ, it does not judge you
the law of God still judges all those outside the law
don't be so dismissive...the Bible does not agree with you...it never says the law was done away with in the sense it is no longer there