kingdom in this world or not

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watcher2013

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Jesus said;

*[[Luk 22:30]] ISV* so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit down on thrones to govern the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Eat, drink and sit on thrones, when did or will this happen? And where?
 
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FreeNChrist

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[h=1]Luke 17:21[/h]"[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."[/FONT]
 

watcher2013

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Jesus also said;

*[[Joh 18:36]] ISV* Jesus answered, “My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom belonged to this world, my servants would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But for now my kingdom is not from here.”

But for NOW my kindom is not from here!

Does this mean, Rev. 11:15 is when Jesus reign?

[Rev 11:15]] ISV* When the seventh angel blew his trumpet, there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The world’s kingdom has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will rule forever and ever.”esus also said;[Rev 11:15]] ISV* When the seventh angel blew his trumpet, there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The world’s kingdom has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will rule forever and ever.”esus also said;Jesus also said*[[Joh 18:36]] ISV* Jesus answered, “My kingdom
 

tanakh

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If the Jews had accepted Jesus as the Messiah the kingdom of God would have been on Earth back then. They were given the opportunity right up until the time Paul and the other Apostles turned from preaching to them and began preaching to the Gentiles. The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by Rome marked the end of the period in which the Nation as a whole could accept Jesus as their Messiah. The reason that the NT is full of expectations that the second coming could be within that generation was because of this period when God was still reaching out to them. It has now been postponed until the second coming.
 

Yonah

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If the Jews had accepted Jesus as the Messiah the kingdom of God would have been on Earth back then. They were given the opportunity right up until the time Paul and the other Apostles turned from preaching to them and began preaching to the Gentiles. The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by Rome marked the end of the period in which the Nation as a whole could accept Jesus as their Messiah. The reason that the NT is full of expectations that the second coming could be within that generation was because of this period when God was still reaching out to them. It has now been postponed until the second coming.
I would like to say that I disagree with your assessment here: simply because it suggest the fathers plan from the foundation of the world has flaws and is contingent on any action of man, the plan of Salvation and restoration was formulated before Adam walked on this planet. there is /was no plan B , not to mention this text written by Paul: Rom. 11:26 and in Isa. 45:17 (this is what Paul quoted.... seems fairly clear to me this was set in motion long before any of the Sanhedrin condemned our Savior to die.
 

prove-all

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He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country
to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.Luke 19:12
 

prove-all

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The kingdoms discussed in Daniel 2:37-40 all ruled over people here on Earth.
And so will God’s Kingdom! The Kingdom of God will be a literal government,
just as the Roman Empire was ruling over people. That Kingdom will be set up
when Jesus Christ returns at the last trump (Revelation 11:15).

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“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born
of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again,
[he cannot see] the kingdom of God.”


-It is the Kingdom of God. God is that Kingdom! Yet God is spirit (John 4:24).
In order to see it, we must be born again, which means it must be a spiritual birth,
so that we might see God. Then we will be able to sup with and be in His family


“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”John 3:6

-to see the Kingdom of God, a spiritual birth has to occur.

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God …”
(1 Corinthians 15:50). If you are flesh and blood, then you haven’t seen the
Kingdom of God yet. It’s impossible!


We won’t see it until our spiritual birth occurs.
And that happens when we are resurrected to spirit.

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed [to spirit]”
 

prove-all

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If the Jews had accepted Jesus as the Messiah
the kingdom of God would have been on Earth back then.

Acts 1:6 (KJV)
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying,
Lord, wilt thou at this time [restore again] the kingdom to Israel?
 

prove-all

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The pre-announcement, in Malachi’s prophecy, says: “Behold, I will
send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the
Lord, whom ye seek [the Messiah], shall suddenly come to his temple,
even the messenger of the covenant …” (Mal. 3:1).

It is recorded in Mark’s Gospel, chapter 1: “The beginning of the
gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets
…” (vv. 1-2). Then follows the citation from Malachi, written above.

The account of John the Baptist, preparing the way before the Messenger.
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching [the gospel of the kingdom of God],

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye, and believe the gospel.” That is, believe the good news!

Jesus’s whole message—His gospel—was about the Kingdom of God!

A kingdom is a) a nation composed of people,
and b) the government of the nation.

In some cases, the people of a nation are the descendants—the children—of one man.
God said to their mother, Rebekah, “Two nations are in thy womb …”(Gen. 25:23).

The nation of Turkey is the descendants of the ancient Esau, twin brother of Jacob,
whose name was changed to Israel, father of the nation Israel. Before the twins were born,

Now Jesus the Messiah was to come as “the Messenger of the covenant.”

The “Old Covenant” had established the human children of Israel as a nation or kingdom
of humans, called the kingdom of Israel. Jesus came as the Messenger—heralding the
message of the New Covenant that shall set up the Spirit-composed children of God
as the Kingdom of God!

As the ancient kingdom of Israel was composed of the human family of the human man Israel,
so the Kingdom of God will be composed of the divine family of the divine God!
 

Adstar

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Jesus said;

*[[Luk 22:30]] ISV* so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit down on thrones to govern the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Eat, drink and sit on thrones, when did or will this happen? And where?
""You may"" meaning in the future.. This is a prophecy of what will happen in the future..
 

Blain

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You know I once heard of an extra gospel called the gospel of Thomas and I don't think it really is real but in it it said the kingdom of God is inside you and all around you which I would have to agree. His kingdom for us is not of crowns and jewel and streets of gold although those are a part of it but you see me personally when I think of his kingdom in my mind I only see him and he dwells inside us and also I see him everywhere and in everything I see him in nature I see him in a babies smile I see him even in fruits and vegetables I see his fingerprints in everything.

And so if you seek his kingdom you never have to look far
 

TMS

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Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
 

beta

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The Kingdom of GOD and the Kingdom of CHRIST, are they the one and same Kingdom ?
 
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Jesus said;

*[[Luk 22:30]] ISV* so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit down on thrones to govern the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Eat, drink and sit on thrones, when did or will this happen? And where?
It is a prophecy that applies to all of us, if we follow Jesus Christ.
 
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Jesus said;

*[[Luk 22:30]] ISV* so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit down on thrones to govern the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Eat, drink and sit on thrones, when did or will this happen? And where?
It is a prophecy that applies to all of us, if we follow Jesus Christ.
When we follow Jesus, he empowers us, right here and now.
 
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The kingdom of God is within you when you receive the Spirit,for then you display the ways of Christ,and not the world's ways,so the saints displaying God's ways on earth is the kingdom of God on earth,but it is not a physical pushing for power that they do according to their kingdom,but is displayed all through the world of people of different countries.

The meek shall inherit the earth,and all things are the saints,to be given them in due time,which the saints appear poor to the world,but they possess all things.Everything actually belongs to the saints,the world is only temporarily using the world.

There will be a physical reign of Christ on earth in the future,for the Bible describes it as physical,which it cannot be spiritual for 1000 years before the resurrection,for Jesus said all power has been given Him in heaven,and on earth,so He has been reigning ever since He resurrected to heaven.

Also after the millennial reign this earth will pass away,for the wicked go to the lower parts of the earth,and death,and hell,are cast in to the lake of fire,so the whole earth will be cast in to the lake of fire,and the heavens will melt with fervent heat,for the heavens,and the earth,has been tainted with sin,and all sin must be purged with fire.

The New Jerusalem is a place wherein dwells righteousness,which sin was never there,and sin will never be there.

The earth has been tainted with sin and has to pass away after the millennial reign.