Why do the Catholics believe Mary was born without sin?

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Feb 26, 2015
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Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Last time i checked the word all includes everybody, even Mary.

Mary was born a sinner, Mary sinned her whole life just like everyone else, and Mary died a sinner.
 

breno785au

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Yeah we know, don't need keep going over and over it each week.
I dont believe she would have died a sinner though, she would have been born again, hence, a new creation.
 

Blain

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The reason behind it is a very long and annoying process in which a ton of research and studying of history the bible different doctrines and even religions.
The reason for it is far less important than will they listen to reason, You can tell a blind that he is touching an Orange while he keeps saying he is touching an apple but in the end for those who cannot see they can only reason what they are told but if they are stubborn they will keep saying it's an apple
 

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Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Last time i checked the word all includes everybody, even Mary.

Mary was born a sinner, Mary sinned her whole life just like everyone else, and Mary died a sinner.
What biblical evidence supports your claim that Mary died a sinner?
 

Blain

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What biblical evidence supports your claim that Mary died a sinner?
I think he was merely intending to say that she was not born without sin and died a sinner in the sense that we as humans sin and while are called holy righteous and pure in his sight we still call ourselves sinners merely because we sometimes fall down not because that is who are in Christ
 

posthuman

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hey i'm not trying to shoo you away or anything -- i love ya and want you to stay here

but

why don't you go join an RCC forum and ask them?

 

Jackson123

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No biblical evident that Mary born without sin.
 
Sep 4, 2015
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Before her First Borns time, Nobody had salvation, so the Lord sent her (Probably the most Perfect woman of the Most Perfect man at that time) to give birth to Christ, who then I would assume most likely saved his immediate family.
 
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Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Last time i checked the word all includes everybody, even Mary.

Mary was born a sinner, Mary sinned her whole life just like everyone else, and Mary died a sinner.
I wasn't aware the Catholics said that.
 
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In 1854 the Catholic Church proclaimed that Mary was born without sin.

Their reasoning was if Jesus was born in a womb that had sin in it, the sin then would be passed onto the Child in the womb.

But the problem is Mary was born in the womb of her mother who was a sinner. You would think then the sins were passed onto Mary. The Catholics did a run around this by proclaiming God keep Mary free from the sin in her Mother.

According to the Catholics, God HAD the power to keep Mary free from sin, but yet God needed Mary's help to keep Jesus free from sin. Do you see where the Catholics are going? They are actually teaching God needed the help of Mary, that God was unable to keep His only Son free from sin without the help of Mary!

This is why today Mary is Worshiped by the Catholics as their God.
 
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That is an easy question, so the answer to that is simple also. If they would dedicate more time to actually reading their bibles, they would probably connect the need for a saviour, to a sinful nature. (Luke 1:46-48)
 
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Catholics believe Mary was without sin because they believe God cannot co-exist in a very intimate way with sin. And God the Son co-existed inside Mary for nine months.
 
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So if Mary had to be sinless to keep Jesus sinless, then Mary's mother had to be sinless to keep Mary sinless to keep Jesus sinless. But yet somehow God had the power to keep Mary sinless while in the womb of a sinner.

Do you see how the false Catholics have made Mary to be a god?

The Catholics can believe anything they want, but they never will be a True Christian walking with Jesus.
 
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So if Mary had to be sinless to keep Jesus sinless, then Mary's mother had to be sinless to keep Mary sinless to keep Jesus sinless.
I can always tell an informed Protestant when they indicate to me that they understand the dogma of the Immaculate Conception refers to what happened to Mary in the womb of St. Anne, when the merits of Christ were applied retroactively in time to result in a sort of baptism of Mary when she was conceived, and the original sin cooties never touched her. Many Protestants think Immaculate Conception has to do with Christ's conception.
 
Feb 26, 2015
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Then if the Immaculate Conception applied to Mary's mother, them Mary's Grandmother had to be sinless.

The very fact the Catholics teach Mary had to be sinless proves the Catholics do not read the Scriptures. For if they had they would know its the Father of the child that passes on the sins to the child, not the mother. And if you had read the Scriptures you too would know the sins of the child comes through the Father.

Therefore Mary never needed to be sinless, because the Father of Jesus was the Holy Spirit. But then again i do not expect the Catholics to be able to understand anything in the Scriptures.
 
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Then if the Immaculate Conception applied to Mary's mother, them Mary's Grandmother had to be sinless.
Good stab at it, but Mary is human, and she could co-exist with her sinful mother for nine months whereas divinity could not, according to Catholic thought.

Cheers!
 

Dude653

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it seems Catholics just make stuff up
 
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The very fact the Catholics teach Mary had to be sinless proves the Catholics do not read the Scriptures.
That's one of the strange things I encounter when I interact with Protestants, even when I was still a practicing Catholic. Protestants seem to have a stereotype that Catholics are totally ignorant of the Sacred Scriptures. Some of them think the Bible is chained up in our cathedrals. Certainly they must have never met a Jesuit, or read the musings of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, or considered that the Bible is, for all practical purposes, a Vatican document. That being said, I totally love Protestants, fer shure. Momma is SDA.
 

Adstar

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Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Last time i checked the word all includes everybody, even Mary.

Mary was born a sinner, Mary sinned her whole life just like everyone else, and Mary died a sinner.
Because of the faulty human thinking that creates wonky theology like a sinless in the flesh Mary..

The thinking goes if Jesus was born of a woman and was born without the sin nsture then in their thinking well His Mother had to also be sinless or else Jesus would have inherited a sin nature off mary.. So they create this false doctrine that mary was born without a sin nature so she would be a perfect pure sinless vessel for Jesus to be carried in while His body was developing in Her womb.. Of course to same wonky thinking would see to it that Mary's mother and dad would also have to be perfect sinless beings to ensure Mary would not be born without a sin nature.. And so on and so on into the past generations all the way back to Adam and Eve .... Doh .... The stupidity of the catholic religions lie about Mary is clear once you think about where their logic leads..
 

JaumeJ

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If Catholics were to atually read the Bible, they would be completely indignant with the RCC organization, and they would understand how they have been taught lies as the Word of God.