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[posthuman]

So the earth's circumference isn't 26,448.97959183673 miles?

The International Space Station orbits 254 miles above the earth and travels at the speed of 17,150 mph (depending upon which Space agency you reference),but anyway it is almost like traveling at 285.33 miles per second, except you have to take into account that speed of the earth rotation on its axis the direction and attitude the ISS is orbiting the earth. However, it would only take a 87.27 minutes to orbit the earth once yet the time ranges for the ISS to travel from sunrise to sunrise is 90-92 minutes which doesn't exactly align with the 24,901 miles hypothesis.

it's not really proper to call an actual measured distance an "hypothesis"



and you're calculating as though the ISS orbits at the equator. it doesn't. it orbits with a 51.6º inclination, around a globe that is slightly oblated due to rotational inertia. your approximation is missing some trigonometry

 

[posthuman]

want to see it?

put your location into this website:

https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/

and it will calculate to a very high degree of accuracy the exact time it will pass visibly through your sky. complete with the direction, down to the degree, it will be travelling, and the magnitude to the tenth of brightness it will be ((sans your local atmospheric conditions)).

BTW just for kicks here is the ISS passing in front of the sun in 2010, with the shuttle Atlantis about to dock with it

 

[posthuman]

i talked with my friend, our brother in Christ, who teaches psychology at a nearby seminary last week about what is going on in the minds of people like our OP.

one thing we arrived at, is that we should deal carefully with a person like the OP, because if we push them too far, they may go over the edge!

((GET IT?? OVER THE EDGE?? ))

however on a spherical earth, if you push a person such as this 'too far' they are liable to just come back at you from another direction ..

 

[Zmouth]

it's not really proper to call an actual measured distance an "hypothesis"

In 200 B.C., the size of the Earth was actually calculated to within 1% accuracy! Eratosthenes used Aristotle's idea that, if the Earth was round, distant stars in the night sky would appear at different positions to observers at different latitudes. Eratosthenes knew that on the first day of summer, the Sun passed directly overhead at Syene, Egypt. At midday of the same day, he measured the angular displacement of the Sun from overhead at the city of Alexandria - 5000 stadia away from Syene. He found that the angular displacement was 7.2 degrees - there are 360 degrees in a circle, making 7.2 degrees equivalent to 1/50 of a circle. Geometry tells us that the ratio of 1/50 is the same as the ratio of the distance between Syene and Alexandria to the total circumference of the Earth.

So have you ever measured the distance from Syene to Alexandria? (which was measured by a man walking using steps as the measure)

and you're calculating as though the ISS orbits at the equator. it doesn't. it orbits with a 51.6º inclination, around a globe that is slightly oblated due to rotational inertia. your approximation is missing some trigonometry

So 14 miles difference according to one source. So I am sure that 14 miles when traveling 285 miles per second totally distorts the general statement regarding the relativity of the measurements.


The circumference of Earth at the equator is about 24,874 miles (40,030 km), but from pole-to-pole — the meridional circumference — Earth is only 24,860 miles(40,008 km) around. This shape, caused by the flattening at the poles, is called an oblate spheroid.Sep 17, 2012
http://www.space.com/17638-how-big-is-earth.html

Of course you have to calculate the fact that the earth is rotating at the approximate speed of 1030 mph.

 

[Zmouth]

What was interesting was that the same formula used to the circumference of the earth @ 26,449.97959183673 miles also calculates the rate of travel for phasma to manifest the particle of visible white light called a photon @ 185,142.8571428571 mps or maybe it was the speed of the light which called out for Saul, Saul.

I guess it was just my imagination running away with me.

 

[1ofthem]

Hello Mpaper345:

I cannot answer your questions to any degree of satisfaction. There are web sites that have all the information you request. My main goal is understanding the Bible and what God said not what Mankind has been lying about for the last 600 years.

The Bible tells us we are close to the end-times. However, only during the last 4-5 years has man's science vs God's Word been questioned. I myself believed that God made everything and never once thought about it. I guess ignorance is bliss. However, once I started reading the Bible literally, things began to change. I was no longer ignorant. When I had a question, the internet give the the world best library. By using it, I began to change my mind about man's so called science while re-committing myself to finding and understanding just what God's Word really is.

I will agree with you that we are getting close to the end of time. The scripture tells us to set our affections on things above not things of this earth. The earth is going to pass away eventually so I can’t even see how it matters one way or the other what shape is. To me the main goal is understanding God’s word in regards to our own relationship with him and being spiritually ready.

But just to stay on topic here and for the sake of argument I guess, I cannot find one scripture that says the earth is flat. If there is one, please post it because I just spent way too much time reading 75 scriptures that are supposed to support this theory and they really didn’t support anything one way or the other. So if there is a scripture that actually says the earth is flat using that word I would like to see it. So if you know of one and can post it, it would be appreciated.

 

[Bladerunner]

But just to stay on topic here and for the sake of argument I guess, I cannot find one scripture that says the earth is flat.

Hi 1ofthem hope your having a great evening. Here are a few words to liven the evening up.

If your looking for verses that emphatically say the earth is flat, you will not find them. However, like so many passages of the Bible, it is what is not there that is the key.

Daniel 4:10-11...10 "Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:"

If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to “the earth's farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical earth.

Matthew 4:8, Luke 4:5..."And the devil (Satan), taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. "

Could this happen unless the earth was flat?

Rev 1:7..."Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

I have heard that the reason every one will see him is because of CNN but not all people have a TV much Electricity to run them. The earth has to be flat for this to happen.

There are a lot of you out there, you know who you are, that would say that is just some kind of poetry, allegorical comment or just a writers mistake. OK, Then I guess because it can't be done today we need to treat 'the making of man out of clay', 'the creation of woman out of a rib of man', 'how about a speaking donkey' the same way we want to treat these passages about his creation, the earth.

By now I guessed that you have figured me out for a fundamentalist but more than that, I am a geocentrist. I believe if we change the rules for different parts of the Bible rather than to take it "ALL" very literal as the "Word of GOD", then we are calling God a Lier!

Here is a url to a youtube documentary concerning the 'Firmament' of Genesis 1:6-8. While the whole documentary is almost two hours, I challenge each of you to watch the first 17minutes. After, that ....................http://christianchat.com/images/icons/icon3.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVcp2XXJCgM

 

[Tintin]

Care to elaborate?

No. I don't care to elaborate. You Flat-Earthers stink up the forums with your endless, non-biblical, nonsensical discussions. And frankly, we're all tired of it.

 

[breno785au]

No. I don't care to elaborate. You Flat-Earthers stink up the forums with your endless, non-biblical, nonsensical discussions. And frankly, we're all tired of it.

Where in the blazes have they all come from recently? It's like they just came out in droves.

 

[Tintin]

Where in the blazes have they all come from recently? It's like they just came out in droves.

Must be members of a little church in America that's fighting like mad in its dying breaths to stay alive.

 

[Bladerunner]

First of all, I would like to apologize for errors. By the time, I posted the corrections, it was over the 5 minute limit.

Second, I have posted a Blog in 4 parts named "The Flat Earth Bible Part I........IV" if anyone is interested. The articles are NOT mine but rather information I think you as a Christian need to see.

As I stated in the last post, I highly recommend that you listen to at least the first 17 minutes of (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVcp2XXJCgM. Afterwards, I think you will want to hear the rest of "The Firmament".

All the scriptures I have given you in other post are found in the KJV of the Holy Bible. There are many many more.. There are places that have them listed by category. My Blog does this but also gives you some insight as to the what and hows.

As far as secular information is concerned there is a bunch out there as well. There are also many experiments one can do to dispel the secular findings by yourselves. I spoke of one in another post (temperature of the moon verses reflected light). Most of them are simple experiments but the more you do, the more you see that something is wrong.

Now go to a large hill where you can see the horizon or look out over the ocean.) Being on this so-called 'Earthly' sphere, anywhere on it, the curvature is calculated to 8 inches per mile. From both sides that 8 inches is a -8". At 6 ft, on this earth, if I walked 4 miles away from you, turned back and waved, you could not see me. But, I thought the horizon was further away than that? It is but because of the curvature, I am already over the horizon. You see on a sphere, anything less than 8" is over the horizon only 1 mile away.
rem every 3 mile the curvature drops 2 feet (-/+1")

So is there really a curve in the horizon? To my experience, there is none and here in TN we have many mountains to look at the horizon from. No, don't use a picture from a camera. The camera uses fish-eye lens as an airplane uses fish-eye glass that makes anything outside the plane look like it has a curvature. Use your eyes and in the case of the ocean, take a spotting scope (60 power) and look for that ship that disappeared over the horizon...Surprise, it is still there ---just out of distance for your eyes to see it. There is no curvature my friends.

One more....if you please..... An airplane takes off at LA Airport and flies to NY (some 3,000 miles away) NY is some 2,000 feet below the horizon at the moment of takeoff. Lets say your flight plan is to get to an altitude of 30,000 feet and level off. On this level flight plan, 500 miles an hour would mean the plane would be at 30,330 ft instead of 30,000 ft at the end of the first hour. By the time it got to NY, instead of 30,000 ft ceiling it would be flying at 32,000 ft. Now we decided to bypass NY and headed toward England on a level flight plan, we would probably be at 40-45,000 ft. when we got there. A little high for an airliner. Rem. There is no up on a sphere so even if you go to the equidistant point on the globe from where you started, the remaining flight back to LA (on the other side of the globe) would also be all down hill. Yes, that would mean on a level flight plan, you would be flying at about 80,000 ft. by the time you got to LA. Hope you took some warm clothing and maybe a space suit. A sphere indeed!

Here is the rub! If you have ever flown in a plane have you ever noticed that it was constantly flying downhill? Did you feel like you was falling out of your seat(s)? lol


Now you start looking and may God Bless and guide your hand to the truth of his creation. Me,,I think I'll just rest on my case(s).

Have fun

 

[posthuman]

nightfall involving the sun appearing smaller because of perspective doesn't look like this.

this is how you say sunrise and sunset should look:

if the flat earth paradigm is true, the sun should never dip below the horizon. never. at noon, the sun should be its largest apparent size, and from that time begin visibly shrinking. and the sun should continue to recede, always appearing above the horizon, while it moves north all through the night, until midnight, roughly, when it should be found due north. it should then begin to appear bigger and bigger until 'daybreak' when it is finally of large enough apparent size to light up the landscape.

oddly enough, that is absolutely not what happens.

so you want to know if you are wildly abusing and misinterpreting scripture and totally misunderstanding physics and astronomy? is the earth really flat?
just watch the sun for 24 hours, Bladerunner.

look to the light.

look to the light, because a spirit of confusion & deception has been manipulating you, and it's currently got you trying to manipulate and deceive others, too.

 

[Bladerunner]

if the flat earth paradigm is true, the sun should never dip below the horizon. never. at noon, the sun should be its largest apparent size, and from that time begin visibly shrinking. and the sun should continue to recede, always appearing above the horizon, while it moves north all through the night, until midnight, roughly, when it should be found due north. it should then begin to appear bigger and bigger until 'daybreak' when it is finally of large enough apparent size to light up the landscape.

hi posthuman:

I agree and that is exactly what it does. Here are some models on how it would work. Your horizon like mine is limited even on the ocean. because the sun is round, when it leaves you area of sight, the smallest end (top) is always last to go.

 

[Bladerunner]

 

[breno785au]

Boy oh boy...

[video=youtube_share;SGP6Y0Pnhe4]http://youtu.be/SGP6Y0Pnhe4?t=873[/video]


Get a nice tour of inside the ISS then get to 14 minutes to see the earth from what they call the 'koopla'

Looks fairly global to me.

 

[posthuman]

hi posthuman:

I agree and that is exactly what it does. Here are some models on how it would work. Your horizon like mine is limited even on the ocean. because the sun is round, when it leaves you area of sight, the smallest end (top) is always last to go.

"last to go" ?

you don't understand.
look:



how long does the hallway have to be before the ceiling appears to be below the floor?
because that's what you are saying happens.

. . and that is not what happens at all -- you can see the universe twice a day proving your theory is wrong, every day of your life. there is no such thing as "sunset" on a flat earth with a sun circling overhead constantly. in that case the sun just gets a little further away. it doesn't vanish. you never "only see the top half of it"

 

[posthuman]

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[BeyondET]

Ahhh a roulette wheel,, This photoshop photo makes me laugh what on sphere earth is that crazy thing.

 

[posthuman]

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[posthuman]

Your horizon like mine is limited even on the ocean.

this is not true if the earth is flat.

this is true if the earth is a sphere.

use your head, kid.