This is a shocker - but you need to read it.

[hornetguy]

most of us live in comfortable homes, with plenty of food, plenty of clothes,
and yes, let's be honest, plenty of non-necessities.

is that loving money?


a lot of you claim that you are not rich,
when the stats clearly show we ARE rich by comparison to the rest of the world.

WE are living far more comfortable than the rich young ruler. fact.

Physician, heal yourself.....

When you have someone post to the CC forum that you have indeed sold everything you own, and now live in a mud hut in the outskirts of Johannesburg, and are spending all your time helping those with whom you live in close contact..... THEN I might be inclined to believe that YOU "walk the walk"..... talk is cheap.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

helping other is always good.
I didn't understand the other part of your post.
break it down for a slower brother.

Not Christmas; Christ. (Auto correct is at it again)
You are trying to say that even though some people give their life to God and do everything they do for Him they are screwed because they have some money?
This just represents God as a God of hate.
God doesn't care about our materials as long as we do not put them above Him. Money does not play a part in our spot in heaven

 

[LaurenTM]

well, not sure about that.
I was trying to read what Jesus said, in context, and in comparison to our culture today.
for consideration.

that's not so Mike

you were trying to condemn people here, as you usually do

look at the title of your op...that says it all

[h=1]This is a shocker - but you need to read it.[/h]

that's just you attempting to be controversial and full of knowledge that you think no one else has

just reading your byline on your posts, we can see what you are really about...that is, if we have not yet been involved in one of your endless and very Jewish law threads

you have no idea of how very much you manage to sound exactly like the lawkeepers 2000 years ago that Jesus debunked

you must be running short on ideas to post this

no converts yet?

 

[disciplemike]

Physician, heal yourself.....

When you have someone post to the CC forum that you have indeed sold everything you own, and now live in a mud hut in the outskirts of Johannesburg, and are spending all your time helping those with whom you live in close contact..... THEN I might be inclined to believe that YOU "walk the walk"..... talk is cheap.

again, another extreme statement so we can find refuge in the silliness.

 

[tourist]

Physician, heal yourself.....

When you have someone post to the CC forum that you have indeed sold everything you own, and now live in a mud hut in the outskirts of Johannesburg, and are spending all your time helping those with whom you live in close contact..... THEN I might be inclined to believe that YOU "walk the walk"..... talk is cheap.

I don't think that he is too fond of Mother Teresa either.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

I have seen people who depend on faith for their next meal.
I have seen people who have to have faith that the rains won't wash away their 1-room shack.
I am just saying it is different than what we see in the west.
by the way, most of these poor people I have seen are happy people.

Gotta agree with that.
Many poor people are very happy and provide a smile and a wonderful conversation when you give them something. They learn to smile about every little thing. I do think we could all learn to live like that.
But just because they have to put faith in something such as a meal doesn't exclude those who don't from heaven.

 

[disciplemike]

that's not so Mike

you were trying to condemn people here, as you usually do

look at the title of your op...that says it all




that's just you attempting to be controversial and full of knowledge that you think no one else has

just reading your byline on your posts, we can see what you are really about...that is, if we have not yet been involved in one of your endless and very Jewish law threads

you have no idea of how very much you manage to sound exactly like the lawkeepers 2000 years ago that Jesus debunked

you must be running short on ideas to post this

no converts yet?

well, ma'am.
just for consideration.
If Messiah made a comment about "rich" people, and statistics show that we are rich, then I believe it deserves some consideration.

 

[LaurenTM]

actually, Mike here KEEPS people from the truth

his gospel is one of works and keeping the OT laws

you have been entangled in a web of law keeping deception and finger pointing

and that, from the day you arrived here until now

for some reason, I suspect you may be getting close to your tenure here

 

[garee]

If you are reading this, apparently you are on the internet with some device, which also means you are rich.
Poor people think differently than WE do.
Be warned. It is easy to say, "I am a believer", or "I have faith".

The gospel is not in respect to the different ideologies.people simply think differently like finger prints.

Being rich is having a little more than one already possesses. As God has designed from the beginning as good increase so do those who consume.

The faith the believer has is the faith of Christ .It is not of ourselves he owns all things as a jealous God. . We guard His faith that works in us to both will and do His god pleasure, as it guards us. We work from it as the armor of God.

We do not work to obtain that which he has already given to us freely. It provides all the riches of Glory . Having little or having much does not determine if we have the Spirit of Christ.

Luk 18:30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

 

[LaurenTM]

well, ma'am.
just for consideration.
If Messiah made a comment about "rich" people, and statistics show that we are rich, then I believe it deserves some consideration.

JESUS is not a statistic

Salvation is not statistics

so, if you cannot run everyone out of town with your law keeping efforts, you shall now throw out statistics to trip us?

nothing you say deserves consideration...nothing

you have managed to create a religion that even actual Jewish people want nothing to do with and every actual Bible scholar of ANY descent, decries as silly at best and dangerous when activated

you play at salvation...you cannot reject Christ as you do and think to come here and scold everyone

 

[hornetguy]

again, another extreme statement so we can find refuge in the silliness.

Is that not what you are strongly suggesting WE all do, with your self-righteous rant about how we all have more wealth than people in other places? And how we all should read it, and be shocked, and change our lifestyle accordingly?

Or, did I, perhaps, misunderstand this backhanded slam of yours at all of us "unenlightened" gentiles?

 

[Mec99]

What you need to do disciplemike is sell all you have, give it to the poor, and follow Jesus.

Luke 18:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Have you done this yet disciplemike? Have you sold your computer and given the money to the poor? Or does this verse only apply to those you hate?

If you are condemning us for having money, then you are also condemning yourself. Have you sold EVERYTHING that you possess? Because if you have not, then you are not following Jesus!

 

[Gr8grace]

Physician, heal yourself.....

When you have someone post to the CC forum that you have indeed sold everything you own, and now live in a mud hut in the outskirts of Johannesburg, and are spending all your time helping those with whom you live in close contact..... THEN I might be inclined to believe that YOU "walk the walk"..... talk is cheap.

JV McGee~~Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear a word you say.

 

[BeyondET]

that is an attempt to comfort us rich folks.
by taking that statement to the far extreme, you find refuge in the silliness of your statement.

What in your own opinion would be a proper median of comfort of living, between being rich or poor, if a person truly doesn't worry or care about the riches or pleasures of this world and Loves God as well.?

 

[PennEd]

Let's get the context here.

[h=1]Matthew 19:16-22New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler[/h][FONT=&quot]16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[a] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good?[b] No one is good but One, that is, God.[c] But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’[d] and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”[e][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth.[f] What do I still lack?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.


LISTEN to the question this man asks! What good thing must HE DO to inherit eternal life. Jesus answers that he must keep the law. Meaning IF someone was capable of keeping ALL the law ALL the time they could indeed EARN salvation.

Then this guy CLAIMS HE HAS kept all the law.

Jesus goes directly to the hypocrisy of his statement that he has kept all the law, by showing that if he did, he wouldn't be rich, because the need of people is everywhere!

So the issue was never about money, it was about justifying oneself by claiming YOU are keeping ALL the law, and thereby don't need Jesus OR His Sacrificial death.

WE CAN'T KEEP THE LAW. If we could then we wouldn't need Jesus!

Oh How I wish the Holy Spirit would open the eyes of the OP and others like him.[/FONT]

 

[garee]

WE are living far more comfortable than the rich young ruler. fact.

And which young ruler are you speaking of? The one that leads the other homeless of the group of three?

 

[Gr8grace]

I have seen people who depend on faith for their next meal.
I have seen people who have to have faith that the rains won't wash away their 1-room shack.
I am just saying it is different than what we see in the west.
by the way, most of these poor people I have seen are happy people.

Oh, I have met some too.

But you do realize that for every 1 happy poor person there are 1000 that would stick a knife in your back for 1 dollar.

There are way more poor people who love money and don't have a penny to their name.

What are you gonna do about these folks that love money?

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

Mike, sweetie,
Give it up lol
Our salvation does not depend on our money or materials. God does not dismiss what is in our heart and judge us based on what we own.

 

[Angela_grace]

Honestly, it is difficult for rich people to get to heaven because they rely so much and enjoy so much from their wealth. To the point that they don't surrender it to Jesus. I may be rich but I can still say that material wise I would give anything to The Lord. It's the abstract things I have a problem with. Like saying something that stands by His word and goes against the world's. That is what I find hard sometimes.

 

[Mec99]

Have you sold your computer yet disciplemike and given the money to the poor? I'm still waiting for an answer.

Could it be selling all you possess does not apply to you? Is this what you believe?