Is Speaking in Tongues Evidence of Salvation?

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CeileDe

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First off I would like to say I do believe in the gift of tongues and that it is for today.

I received a free book a few weeks ago called Speaking in Tongues at Spirit Baptism by John David Clark, Sr.

I'll basically jump to the end of the book where there is a conclusion. Basically it states "we conclude that the body of Christ is composed exclusively of those who have received the baptism of the Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in tongues, as the Spirit gives utterance "

I guess I never knew some Christians felt this way. I have heard some feel they are elite Christians if they have the gift of tongues, but not that they are the only TRUE Christians.

Anyone believe this on here or have ran into Christians that do?
 
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Well I have run it to several folks that believe this but it seems to be a mostly American thing in my experience. I have been through South America and a large part of Europe spending considerable time there and over there it's almost nonexistent.
Note that those I ran in to outside of the United States that did believe that about tongues also spoke English. They also had some experience with American church groups.
Blessings
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Laish said:
Well I have run it to several folks that believe this but it seems to be a mostly American thing in my experience. I have been through South America and a large part of Europe spending considerable time there and over there it's almost nonexistent.
Note that those I ran in to outside of the United States that did believe that about tongues also spoke English. They also had some experience with American church groups.
Blessings
Bill
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Thanks for the response. Maybe it is found more in the US. I've never heard of it before until reading that book
 
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"Many of Clark's other "revelations" are just as bizarre. He claims that the Holy Spirit is the blood of Jesus. He believes that none are truly saved who do not speak in tongues. He denies the doctrine of the Trinity. He lowers the deity of Christ to the level of an exalted man. He believes that God has abolished the ordinances of water baptism and the Lord's Supper. Clark either denies or distorts almost every doctrine of evangelical Christianity. It might be interesting to note that he adamently teaches that tithes should be given to the "minister of God." Then, he uses his own absurd and unbiblical teachings to make himself the only "minister of God" in the whole world who is seemingly worthy of receiving tithes."


Just a little clip from what I found here.


I'm a Charismatic and believe in the gift of tongues. There are, though, many gifts to be had. Furthermore, it's not my opinion that everyone should have the gift of tongues. So, I'd definitely disagree that tongues are required for salvation!
 
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Test_F_i_2_Luv said:
"Many of Clark's other "revelations" are just as bizarre. He claims that the Holy Spirit is the blood of Jesus. He believes that none are truly saved who do not speak in tongues. He denies the doctrine of the Trinity. He lowers the deity of Christ to the level of an exalted man. He believes that God has abolished the ordinances of water baptism and the Lord's Supper. Clark either denies or distorts almost every doctrine of evangelical Christianity. It might be interesting to note that he adamently teaches that tithes should be given to the "minister of God." Then, he uses his own absurd and unbiblical teachings to make himself the only "minister of God" in the whole world who is seemingly worthy of receiving tithes."


Just a little clip from what I found here.


I'm a Charismatic and believe in the gift of tongues. There are, though, many gifts to be had. Furthermore, it's not my opinion that everyone should have the gift of tongues. So, I'd definitely disagree that tongues are required for salvation!
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Thanks for response. I was researching tongues and found the free book online so decided to order it. It will be one I mark as not worth reading again.
 
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CeileDe said:
First off I would like to say I do believe in the gift of tongues and that it is for today.

I received a free book a few weeks ago called Speaking in Tongues at Spirit Baptism by John David Clark, Sr.

I'll basically jump to the end of the book where there is a conclusion. Basically it states "we conclude that the body of Christ is composed exclusively of those who have received the baptism of the Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in tongues, as the Spirit gives utterance "

I guess I never knew some Christians felt this way. I have heard some feel they are elite Christians if they have the gift of tongues, but not that they are the only TRUE Christians.

Anyone believe this on here or have ran into Christians that do?
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If Mr. Clarc is right, what then with the christians before 1906? And I am then also are not safed! I cant find this doctrine in bible.
 
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Tintin

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CeileDe said:
First off I would like to say I do believe in the gift of tongues and that it is for today.

I received a free book a few weeks ago called Speaking in Tongues at Spirit Baptism by John David Clark, Sr.

I'll basically jump to the end of the book where there is a conclusion. Basically it states "we conclude that the body of Christ is composed exclusively of those who have received the baptism of the Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in tongues, as the Spirit gives utterance "

I guess I never knew some Christians felt this way. I have heard some feel they are elite Christians if they have the gift of tongues, but not that they are the only TRUE Christians.

Anyone believe this on here or have ran into Christians that do?
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There are plenty of Christians who do believe this. But no. You don't need to be able to speak in tongues to be saved.
 
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CeileDe said:
First off I would like to say I do believe in the gift of tongues and that it is for today.

I received a free book a few weeks ago called Speaking in Tongues at Spirit Baptism by John David Clark, Sr.

I'll basically jump to the end of the book where there is a conclusion. Basically it states "we conclude that the body of Christ is composed exclusively of those who have received the baptism of the Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in tongues, as the Spirit gives utterance "

I guess I never knew some Christians felt this way. I have heard some feel they are elite Christians if they have the gift of tongues, but not that they are the only TRUE Christians.

Anyone believe this on here or have ran into Christians that do?
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1 Cor 12:30~~New American Standard Bible
All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?

1 Cor 12:31~~New American Standard Bible
But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.

Seems most desire the lesser gifts in todays world. About the time someone starts a revolution about how the gift of interpreting is a sign of the Holy Spirit and His baptism..........I might stop and think for a bit.
 
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CeileDe said:
Thanks for response. I was researching tongues and found the free book online so decided to order it. It will be one I mark as not worth reading again.
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May I suggest that at least you keep the book I my self am of the belief that tongues is not normative today . Still I don't believe it has stopped either. I think that the book can still be of use . I do find it useful to even keep books that I don't always agree with at hand . It helps to understand where someone is coming from. I would not have it as a weapon to find ways to target a doctrine,but a way to see how you might reconcile your differences with fellow believers.
Blessings
Bill
 
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May I suggest that at least you keep the book I my self am of the belief that tongues is not normative today . Still I don't believe it has stopped either. I think that the book can still be of use . I do find it useful to even keep books that I don't always agree with at hand . It helps to understand where someone is coming from. I would not have it as a weapon to find ways to target a doctrine,but a way to see how you might reconcile your differences with fellow believers.
Blessings
Bill
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Yeah I won't throw it away. I think the only religious type book I've ever tossed was by Rob Bell "Love Wins"
 
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been a while since we had a good tongue thread. i remember times when we have three or four of these things going at once, makes you dizzy.
 
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Still I don't believe it has stopped either.
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Tongues of today has definitely not stopped.


Biblical tongues? They have ceased.>>>>>>>putting helmet on<<<<<<<<<<:eek:
 
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Gr8grace said:
Tongues of today has definitely not stopped.


Biblical tongues? They have ceased.>>>>>>>putting helmet on<<<<<<<<<<:eek:
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Please explain. Are you a cessationist?
 
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Come on now, let's keep it nice and try not to stray to far from the OP
 
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Laish said:
May I suggest that at least you keep the book I my self am of the belief that tongues is not normative today . Still I don't believe it has stopped either. I think that the book can still be of use . I do find it useful to even keep books that I don't always agree with at hand . It helps to understand where someone is coming from. I would not have it as a weapon to find ways to target a doctrine,but a way to see how you might reconcile your differences with fellow believers.
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I'll second this!

Was thinking about making a similar comment.

I would not have it as a weapon to find ways to target a doctrine,but a way to see how you might reconcile your differences with fellow believers. It's called "opposition research". :p Sometimes I'm not so sure they are believers, let alone fellow believers. :eek:

I keep books in my library written by those I disagree with for educational purposes.

Imagine when the theological opponent(uhh, "fellow believer") makes the comment "You should read ______ by ____" and you can respond "I have". :eek:
 
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Greater gift in that passage is prophesy.

Gr8grace said:
1 Cor 12:30~~New American Standard Bible
All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?

1 Cor 12:31~~New American Standard Bible
But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.

Seems most desire the lesser gifts in todays world. About the time someone starts a revolution about how the gift of interpreting is a sign of the Holy Spirit and His baptism..........I might stop and think for a bit.
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CeileDe

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Test_F_i_2_Luv said:
I'll second this!

Was thinking about making a similar comment.

I would not have it as a weapon to find ways to target a doctrine,but a way to see how you might reconcile your differences with fellow believers. It's called "opposition research". :p Sometimes I'm not so sure they are believers, let alone fellow believers. :eek:

I keep books in my library written by those I disagree with for educational purposes.

Imagine when the theological opponent(uhh, "fellow believer") makes the comment "You should read ______ by ____" and you can respond "I have". :eek:
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I should have asked to keep the book of Mormon the other night when Mormons came to my door ;)
 
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Cone on now, let's keep it nice and try not to stray to far from the OP
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No, tongues are not a sign or evidence of salvation.

Those who claim that they have put their full trust in Christ for their salvation and it has nothing to do with their fruits or works and are not trying to maintain their salvation in anyway......is a pretty good and trustworthy sign that they are saved.
 
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CeileDe said:
I should have asked to keep the book of Mormon the other night when Mormons came to my door ;)
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Yea I have one as well along with a Jehovah Witnesses new world thingy ( sorry can't call it a bible) but for slightly different reasons . I find it useful in apologetic work I do with others .
Blessings
Bill
 
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Greater gift in that passage is prophesy.
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Wow. I have the greater gift? Is that what you mean? Being silly, hey its late where I am.
 
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