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Luke 19:12 (KJV)
He said therefore,
A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom,
and to return.
A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom,
and to return.
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New world = new Jerusalem, New heaven and new earth - a literal place.
But a physical place is nothing apart from a spiritual place - a new mindset, new behavior. Jesus left the physical world for the spiritual. His kingdom was not of 'this world' of Roman rule and physical temples, scribes, Pharisees, money changers, Baal worshipers, etc. The Emmanuel child of mithra/illegitimacy has no place - so to leave was to create space or a place for believing followers of the teaching. The world today has rampant illegitimacy, abortion, sexual disease brought about by fornication, promoted by media-scribes, money changed-wall streeters, Pharisee -false religions/government. This will change tho we see it til the end of the book of revelation. Baal worship in all manners of idolatry from the sports, music, entertainment, Holiday, retail, media and religion industries - these must go. We are called and being called out of these things to reveal these unfruitful works of darkness.
The new world has been tainted from the start with slavery, idolatry, freemasonry and false religions. Still a light shines in a dark place and the remand is reawakening to spread that salt and light. Faith in putting off evil and doing what is right is the victory that overcomes this world of Hellenism and idolatry and false religion.
But a physical place is nothing apart from a spiritual place - a new mindset, new behavior. Jesus left the physical world for the spiritual. His kingdom was not of 'this world' of Roman rule and physical temples, scribes, Pharisees, money changers, Baal worshipers, etc. The Emmanuel child of mithra/illegitimacy has no place - so to leave was to create space or a place for believing followers of the teaching. The world today has rampant illegitimacy, abortion, sexual disease brought about by fornication, promoted by media-scribes, money changed-wall streeters, Pharisee -false religions/government. This will change tho we see it til the end of the book of revelation. Baal worship in all manners of idolatry from the sports, music, entertainment, Holiday, retail, media and religion industries - these must go. We are called and being called out of these things to reveal these unfruitful works of darkness.
The new world has been tainted from the start with slavery, idolatry, freemasonry and false religions. Still a light shines in a dark place and the remand is reawakening to spread that salt and light. Faith in putting off evil and doing what is right is the victory that overcomes this world of Hellenism and idolatry and false religion.
so you reject what I posted?
this is scripture is it not?
Psalms 37:29 (KJV)
this is scripture is it not?
Psalms 37:29 (KJV)
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
-explain to me what the land here means?
are you rejecting clear bible verses that says we inherit [the earth] also,
that we will be kings and priests on this earth?
again give me one verse that says we inherit heaven
-explain to me what the land here means?
are you rejecting clear bible verses that says we inherit [the earth] also,
that we will be kings and priests on this earth?
again give me one verse that says we inherit heaven
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John 14:2
My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Gods house is not on this earth, Gods kingdom is in Heaven. Christ clearly says he's going there to prepare a place for you & some how you falsely think it's earth. I'm not trying to come off as rude but scripture clearly explains itself
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
Ezekiyl 48:35, "The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be: YHWH SHAMMAH (YHWH Is There)."
Revelation 21:4-8 And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful.And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone--which is the second death."
Revelation 21:9-27, "And there came to me one of the seven malakim who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying: Come, I will show you the brides, the Lamb's wives. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy YHWH Shammah, descending out of heaven from YHWH, Having the glory of YHWH. And her light was similar to a most precious stone, just like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a great and high wall, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve malakim, and names written upon them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israyl: On the east, three gates; on the north, three gates; on the south, three gates, and on the west, three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he who talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and its gates, and its wall. And the city lies four square, and the length is as large as the breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand stadia; about 1,500 miles. The length, and the breadth, and the height of it are equal. And he measured its wall: a hundred and forty-four cubits, according to human measurements, that the malak was using; about 216 feet. And the construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth beryl, The fifth emerald, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth onyx, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, as it were, transparent as glass. And I saw no pagan sanctuary in it; for THE Tabernacle OF YHWH, the body of Messiah, was in it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it; for the glory of YHWH does enlighten it, and its lamp is the Lamb. And the nations of those who are saved will walk in the light of it. And the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it. And the gates of it will not be shut at all by day, for there will be no night there. And they will bring the glory and honor of the nations into it. And there will by no means enter into it anything that defiles, nor works abomination, neither a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life."
Ezekiyl 48:35, "The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be: YHWH SHAMMAH (YHWH Is There)."
Revelation 21:4-8 And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful.And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone--which is the second death."
Revelation 21:9-27, "And there came to me one of the seven malakim who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying: Come, I will show you the brides, the Lamb's wives. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy YHWH Shammah, descending out of heaven from YHWH, Having the glory of YHWH. And her light was similar to a most precious stone, just like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a great and high wall, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve malakim, and names written upon them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israyl: On the east, three gates; on the north, three gates; on the south, three gates, and on the west, three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he who talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and its gates, and its wall. And the city lies four square, and the length is as large as the breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand stadia; about 1,500 miles. The length, and the breadth, and the height of it are equal. And he measured its wall: a hundred and forty-four cubits, according to human measurements, that the malak was using; about 216 feet. And the construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth beryl, The fifth emerald, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth onyx, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, as it were, transparent as glass. And I saw no pagan sanctuary in it; for THE Tabernacle OF YHWH, the body of Messiah, was in it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it; for the glory of YHWH does enlighten it, and its lamp is the Lamb. And the nations of those who are saved will walk in the light of it. And the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it. And the gates of it will not be shut at all by day, for there will be no night there. And they will bring the glory and honor of the nations into it. And there will by no means enter into it anything that defiles, nor works abomination, neither a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life."
yes scripture clearly explains itself
Matthew 5:5 (KJV)
Blessed are the meek: for they shall [inherit the earth].
Psalms 37:11 (KJV)
But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psalms 25:13 (KJV)
His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
Psalms 37:9 (KJV)
For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.
Psalms 37:22 (KJV)
For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
so your interpation of John 14:2, would make above clear bible verses false and contradict themselves.
you still have not explained why it says land here,
is the land[dust-ground-earth] in heaven ?
Psalms 37:29 (KJV)
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
Isaiah 54:3 (KJV)
For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit
the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
Isaiah 60:21 (KJV)
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever,
the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
Zechariah 2:12 (KJV)
And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
Isaiah 49:8 (KJV)
Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Matthew 5:5 (KJV)
Blessed are the meek: for they shall [inherit the earth].
Psalms 37:11 (KJV)
But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psalms 25:13 (KJV)
His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
Psalms 37:9 (KJV)
For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.
Psalms 37:22 (KJV)
For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
so your interpation of John 14:2, would make above clear bible verses false and contradict themselves.
you still have not explained why it says land here,
is the land[dust-ground-earth] in heaven ?
Psalms 37:29 (KJV)
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
Isaiah 54:3 (KJV)
For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit
the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
Isaiah 60:21 (KJV)
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever,
the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
Zechariah 2:12 (KJV)
And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
Isaiah 49:8 (KJV)
Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
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Christ clearly states in (John 14:3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and (take you to be with me that you also may be where I am) Christ clearly states he's taking you to the place he has prepareed.. What you are constantly referring to is Christ 1000 year millennium kingdom on earth that hasn't happen yet That Kingdom is not the same kingdom Christ is referring to when he speaks of his fathers house where he clearly states he's preparing a place there.
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger,
all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Genesis 48:4 (KJV)
all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Genesis 48:4 (KJV)
And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an ever lasting possession.
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No, I think heaven is what happens when we repent of our sin:
From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
[20] This is the gate of the LORD;
the righteous shall enter through it. Psalm 118:20 RSV
And when we die, we pass onto the resurrection.
From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
[20] This is the gate of the LORD;
the righteous shall enter through it. Psalm 118:20 RSV
And when we die, we pass onto the resurrection.
Hello Ressurrection33,
Regarding the above, if you are saying that when a believers spirit/soul departs from thir body as being a resurrection that would be incorrect. The reason is that, the word "anastasis" translated "resurrection" always and only has to do with the body that has died standing up again - aná, "up, again" and hístēmi, "to stand") – literally, "stand up" (or "stand again"), referring to physical resurrection (of the body). Therefore, the spirit/soul departing from the body at the time of death is not a resurrection, but has to do with a person coming back to life and standing up in that same body.
As a believer dies, their spirit/soul departs and goes to be in the presence of the Lord (Phil.1:23) while their bodies lie in the earth decaying. When Christ appears, he will bring with him all of those spirits/souls who have died in him and their bodies will be resurrected and their spirits/souls will be reunited with that resurrected body. This is the resurrection.
The two witnesses will be killed by the beast and will be left in the streets of Jerusalem and 3 1/2 days later God will breath life back into their bodies and they will stand up. This is a resurrection.
When Jesus was crucified, his body was put into the tomb, while his spirit/soul went down to that place of paradise across from Sheol/Hades. After 3 days, he returned to his body, which was then transformed into an immortal and glorified body and he stood up again in that same body. This is a resurrection
When Jesus brought Lazarus and Tabitha back to life, though in their mortal bodies, this was a resurrection. The spirit/soul leaving the body at the time of death is not a resurrection.
I hope that this sheds some light on the subject.
Regarding the above, if you are saying that when a believers spirit/soul departs from thir body as being a resurrection that would be incorrect. The reason is that, the word "anastasis" translated "resurrection" always and only has to do with the body that has died standing up again - aná, "up, again" and hístēmi, "to stand") – literally, "stand up" (or "stand again"), referring to physical resurrection (of the body). Therefore, the spirit/soul departing from the body at the time of death is not a resurrection, but has to do with a person coming back to life and standing up in that same body.
As a believer dies, their spirit/soul departs and goes to be in the presence of the Lord (Phil.1:23) while their bodies lie in the earth decaying. When Christ appears, he will bring with him all of those spirits/souls who have died in him and their bodies will be resurrected and their spirits/souls will be reunited with that resurrected body. This is the resurrection.
The two witnesses will be killed by the beast and will be left in the streets of Jerusalem and 3 1/2 days later God will breath life back into their bodies and they will stand up. This is a resurrection.
When Jesus was crucified, his body was put into the tomb, while his spirit/soul went down to that place of paradise across from Sheol/Hades. After 3 days, he returned to his body, which was then transformed into an immortal and glorified body and he stood up again in that same body. This is a resurrection
When Jesus brought Lazarus and Tabitha back to life, though in their mortal bodies, this was a resurrection. The spirit/soul leaving the body at the time of death is not a resurrection.
I hope that this sheds some light on the subject.
I believe heaven is what our lives turn into when we repent of our sin:
From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
[20] This is the gate of the LORD;
the righteous shall enter through it. Psalm 118:20 RSV
I mention the resurrection so that people will understand that life is eternal.
From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
[20] This is the gate of the LORD;
the righteous shall enter through it. Psalm 118:20 RSV
I mention the resurrection so that people will understand that life is eternal.
Read those scriptures again... They do not say Jesus is going to take us to Heaven anywhere in that verse.. They only state that Jesus shall return in the sky and we shall be caught up to Meet Him in the Sky at His return. And then from then on we shall always be with our LORD Jesus.. It does not say where we shall be with our Lord Jesus...
Someone assumed that Jesus would take us to Heaven and we would be with Him in Heaven forever and that taught it to people and those people assumed it was true and went on to preach it to other people as if it was the Gospel truth...
Someone assumed that Jesus would take us to Heaven and we would be with Him in Heaven forever and that taught it to people and those people assumed it was true and went on to preach it to other people as if it was the Gospel truth...
Because Jesus is preparing the New Jerusalem as the place for us... And at the current time the New Jerusalem is in Heaven.. BUT the book of Revelation reveals that this place will come out of Heaven and down to us...
Revelation 21: KJV
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
We are going to be dwelling with God in the New Jerusalem and it comes will be coming down from God out of Heaven.. So we will not be living in heaven for eternity... read the rest of Revelation 21 and you will see things clearly..
Revelation 21: KJV
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
We are going to be dwelling with God in the New Jerusalem and it comes will be coming down from God out of Heaven.. So we will not be living in heaven for eternity... read the rest of Revelation 21 and you will see things clearly..
Hello Adstar,
Yes, you are correct, the scripture does say that we are going to meet Him in the air. It is in conjunction with the following scripture that we know that when we meet Him in the air, that he is going to take us back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he will have prepared for us:
"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
The Father's house, which is where Jesus is going to take us to after we meet Him in the air, could only be referring to heaven. This is also verified in Rev.19:6-8, 14 which reveals that the bride will be receiving her robes of righteousness and will be following Christ out of heaven riding on white horses.
It is from comparing and cross-referencing scripture that we are able to piece together prophecy.
The above is correct, but the new Jerusalem does not come down until the new heaven and new earth have been created. When Jesus appears to gather the church, it will be during this present heaven and earth that this will take place, where at which time he will take us to the Father's house/heaven.
After the church has been gathered and is in heaven, following that, the ruler, the antichrist, will establish his seven year covenant and the wrath of God will begin and continue throughout the entire seven years. After 7th bowl has been poured out, which completes God's wrath, then the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and those previously resurrected will be following Him out of heaven riding on those white horses.
The new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem take place after the great white throne judgment and will be in the eternal state.
I never said we are going to live in Heaven for eternity. Please reread what was stated & you will see things more clearly. I clearly stated Christ said he's going to prepare a place in Heaven & spoke of his father house has many rooms. He is going to take his people to that place. What you seem to not comprehend is the "fathers house" is in Heaven. I never stated Gods people will be there forever for as the scriptures clearly states the New Jerusalem will come from Heaven. I even clearly mentioned Christ 1000 year reign on earth were his people will be with him. So again your "living in heaven for eternity" statement is false.
Sorry if i misread your words but i only went off what you wrote:
I do not agree that these kingdoms are different.. God will come down and dwell in the New Jerusalem with men.. therefore it is a continuation of His Eternal Kingdom..
Revelation 21 :KJV
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
It is not just the city that is coming out of heaven down to us but God Himself also.. If we are with god then we are in His kingdom..
Revelation 21:KJV
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
The New Jerusalem is the Fathers House
I do not agree that these kingdoms are different.. God will come down and dwell in the New Jerusalem with men.. therefore it is a continuation of His Eternal Kingdom..
Revelation 21 :KJV
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
It is not just the city that is coming out of heaven down to us but God Himself also.. If we are with god then we are in His kingdom..
Revelation 21:KJV
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
The New Jerusalem is the Fathers House
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