Study to show yourself approved...

LaurenTM · Sep 25, 2016

ran out of time on the edit

if I want to talk to you, I will respond on one of your documents

as it is, I don't care for your tone...your words have no weight with me and you are no one's judge

be careful to judge yourself as scripture admonishes...

I have no more to say to you, so don't wait up for a response from me...

PennEd · Sep 25, 2016

Israyl??? We're being overrun by this Hebrew roots cheese!!

LaurenTM · Sep 25, 2016

PennEd said:

put more on the pizza!

doesn't it just make you wanna ...

laugh? cry?

I would say it's all Greek...

royalscot · Sep 25, 2016

strange, if you can not understand change, then why are you looking at hebrew roots, ie jews and gentiles that are now called christian followers.

[h=2]: Study to show yourself approved...[/h]
lol

Hizikyah · Sep 25, 2016

PennEd said:

I find it instering that in a thread titled "Study to show yourself approved..." I am getting my charicter questioned and not Scriptually refuted... and the most accurate way to write Israel/Israyl in english is imo probably Yisra’yl, but this is but a distraction, for all those in Messiah are Israel/Isray/Yisra’ĕl/Yisra’yl

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

[h=1]Romans 9:6-8King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]6 [/SUP]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 9:6 However, it is not as though the word of Ylohim has failed. For they are not all Yisra’ĕl who are of Yisra’ĕl,
Rom 9:7 neither are they all children because they are the seed of Aḇraham, but, “In Yitsḥaq your seed shall be called.”
Rom 9:8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of Ylohim, but the children of the promise are reckoned as the seed.

royalscot · Sep 25, 2016

when did isreal or none christian jews , follow a new covenant. lol

yes any bible quote will do , without history to back your theory. lol

posthuman · Sep 25, 2016

Hizikyah said:

we're stating the truth, which is that the children of Abraham are not necessarily Jew.

Abraham wasn't an Hebrew either. Hebrews are descendants of Jacob.
Abraham? from Ur. a Chaldean.

by blood, the Arabs are all children of Abraham too.

and by faith -- many peoples, of strange tongues, who did not seek God, but who He revealed Himself to.

we are called children of Abraham by faith, not children of Jacob.

Blessed be Egypt my people

what does this mean, brother? does it mean Egypt has/will become Hebrew?
or that God has accepted on the basis of faith all flesh?
or something else?

Hizikyah · Sep 25, 2016

posthuman said:

Abraham was the first Hebrew.

Genesis 14:13
Parallel Verses
New International Version
A man who had escaped came and reported this to Abram the Hebrew. Now Abram was living near the great trees of Mamre the Amorite, a brother of Eshkol and Aner, all of whom were allied with Abram.

New Living Translation
But one of Lot's men escaped and reported everything to Abram the Hebrew, who was living near the oak grove belonging to Mamre the Amorite. Mamre and his relatives, Eshcol and Aner, were Abram's allies.

English Standard Version
Then one who had escaped came and told Abram the Hebrew, who was living by the oaks of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol and of Aner. These were allies of Abram.

New American Standard Bible
Then a fugitive came and told Abram the Hebrew. Now he was living by the oaks of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol and brother of Aner, and these were allies with Abram.

King James Bible
And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

royalscot · Sep 25, 2016

last known written work. etc

The Law and the Promise
15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified.16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

or simply change has a time frame, there is no point to the change that jesus made if you reject a new covenant. because then why did jesus die. etc the answer is simple to show that death is conquered. (you of little faith lol)

Yonah · Sep 25, 2016

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

posthuman · Sep 25, 2016

Goodness!
Thank you. i was wrong - and it seems the common usage is wrong, because everywhere i look as a definition for Hebrew it is given 'descended from Jacob ' and used interchangeably with Jewish.
But this also makes every Arab son of Ishmael an Hebrew. So.

And you did correct me, thank you, but i'll thank you again when you actually answer my question, and please don't think of post as though he's out to malign the truth - the point here is that becoming Christian, and by faith children of Abraham, does not make us ethnic Jews nor bind us to keep all the ceremonial signs God gave specifically to that people. Abraham is not a Jew and had not the Law of Moses, but he was not lawless. However we have among us persons who seem to think that anyone not baptized into Moses is lawless. Simply not true, a false teaching.

Hizikyah, i do not think you would teach that the Gentiles must keep the festivals and kosher foods of the Law, nor the strict observation of weekly Sabbath - but that you do these things for love and respect, towards Jah, and don't talk as if they are required, right? Haven't we had this conversation in the past?

This is the difference between Romans 14 and the epistle to the Galatians here. Anathema, or weak in faith, or simply honoring toward God?

So what does it mean that Jah calls Egypt His people, do you think?

Hizikyah · Sep 25, 2016

posthuman said:

No worries, none of us know ALL of the truth and we are continually seeking, we can stand hand in hand and give Yah the supreme thanks!

Psalm 86:8-11, "There is none like You among the gods O YHWH, and there are no works like Your works. All the nations, which You have made, will come and worship in front of You, O YHWH, and glorify Your Name. For You are great and do wondrous things; You Alone, O YHWH, are our Father. Teach us Your way, O YHWH, and we will walk in Your truth! Make us one in heart; (a unity), to reverence Your Name!"

posthuman said:

I make no assesment on ones final resting place, for Yah is the judge, and I love that, because He is perfection, no errors!

However I look to Scripture to assess what I believe the body of Messiah should do.

I will not use my words, as man is continually subject to making errors, but rather let Scripture speak:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what YHWH says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to YHWH, speak, saying; YHWH has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what YHWH says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YHWH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to YHWH, to serve Him, and to love the Name of YHWH, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Mt5:18"I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Rev21:1-2"I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Rom3:28"For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."
31"Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Psalm 29:1-2, "Ascribe to YHWH, O you mighty, ascribe to YHWH glory and strength. Ascribe to YHWH the glory due His Name! Worship Him in the beauty of holiness."

posthuman · Sep 25, 2016

"Egypt my people"

A people that did not seek Him.

The covenant made with death will be annulled

Hizikyah · Sep 25, 2016

posthuman said:

Isaiah 19:24 In that day Yisra’ĕl shall be one of three with Mitsrayim (Egypt) and Ashshur, even a blessing in the midst of the earth,

Isaiah 19:25 whom יהוה of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Mitsrayim My people, and Ashshur the work of My hands, and Yisra’ĕl My inheritance.”

Isaiah 65:1 “I have let Myself be inquired of, not by those who asked; I was found, not by those who sought Me. I said, ‘Here I am, here I am,’ to a nation not calling on My Name"

Isaiah 65 and 66 may offer some insight, but its a lot to go over here, and honestly I need to re-study it, off the top, I would think it ties into the verse I posted earlier, also, if you have any insigth I would be instered.

OneFaith · Sep 25, 2016

disciplemike said:

You are right in saying that we need to understand the old in order to better understand the new. For Christ's parables also compared physical things to spiritual things, for the sake of our understanding. The physical things in the old are a shadow of the spiritual things in the new. But we are no longer under the physical law, that way of doing God's law was nailed to the cross (Colossians 2:14). We are no longer under Moses, but now belong to Christ only. Again, Romans 7:1-4 is comparing physical marriage to spiritual marriage.

To be married to Moses so-to-speak and to Christ at the same time is to commit spiritual adultery. But if the ways of Moses are put to death, we can then belong to another- to Christ- who has ALL authority over God's people today- that leaves no authority for Moses. The old law was only a shadow of the real law- which is found in Christ. The old law saved no one- "If man sins man dies" But the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death, for what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending His own Son In the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. He therefore condemned sin in sinful man, in order the the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us who do not live according to the flesh (physical law) but according to the Spirit (spiritual law). (Romans 8).

miknik5 · Sep 26, 2016

Hizikyah said:

And?

so can many today.

But CHRIST specifically said what HE said that Ye seek scripture thinking by this you have LIFE but it is this that TESTIFIES of ME

HE also said you put your hopes in Moses but it is Moses who spoke of Me

And it is Christ alone who opens the mind to the Truth, if HE doesn't, the mind remains closed and a veil covers the heart lest one can see....THE TRUTH of the Glory of GOD in the face of JESUS

Paul spoke to young Timothy who had what is necessary to discern and understand the WORD of GOD.
THE outpouring of THE HOLY SPIRIT

Hizikyah · Sep 26, 2016

miknik5 said:

John 5:39 “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me."

Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Ylohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

He said that in John 5:39 to the Pharisee,s who made 23 volumes of their own law that transgressed the Law of the Most High...

Mark 7:5-9, "Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him; Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites--as it is written: This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of YHWH, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of YHWH, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

miknik5 said:

Deut 18:18-19, "I shall raise up for them a Prophet like you out of the midst of their brothers. And I shall put My Words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be, the man who does not listen to My Words which He speaks in My Name, I require it of him."

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

miknik5 said:

John (Yahchanan) 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

John (Yahchanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John (Yahchanan) 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

miknik5 said:

Revelation 12:17
New American Standard Bible
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

King James Bible
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

ISR
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Ylohim and possessing the witness of יהושע Messiah.

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

BeyondET · Sep 26, 2016

Hizikyah said:

i like your statement about being a distraction, names are words as well so what ever a persons personal thought on which name in what language is correct shouldn't be a issue and that goes for both sides of the isles. Rather a person uses YHWH or LORD or Yeshua or Jesus it's all good..

I personally wouldn't modify the Hebrew bible and the names there in, when posting scripture chatting with Jewish folks just because I think Jesus, Lord, God, Israel etc. is more to my liking, if I did do that I could very well be stepping on people's toes because of my personal view on which Word name is correct.

Modifying bibles can be a form of disrespect to people who love to read their bible just as it is written. In "2 Timothy 2:14" says don't quarrel about words, it is of no value, but of coarse I'm speaking of myself not to harp on what a person uses for word names, but on the flip side of the coin people shouldn't change or push their word name agenda as well for nobody is the winner in the end, we only end up arguing over words which isn't productive for spiritual growth...

Sanashankar · Oct 15, 2016

disciplemike said:

The letters written by the Apostles were inspired by the holy spirit. Even Peter is asking for Paul's letters when he was in jail....Paul commands in so many places...to do what he has written in the letters...they knew the letters are the word of God..

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