Loving God = Obeying God = Being Blessed!

disciplemike · Sep 26, 2016

I think this verse is equating loving God with obeying God.
The results are blessings in your life!

Who could you some blessings?

In that I command thee this day to love YHVH thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and YHVH thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Deuteronomy 30:16 (KJV, MBM)

Yonah · Sep 26, 2016

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Grace777x70 · Sep 26, 2016

Yonah said:

Thank God we are told in the New Covenant what those commandments are for the believer in Christ.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Why don't we promote Christ instead of the law so that Christians can grow up in Christ?

We know that Rev. 1412 is NOT talking about the law of Moses because no one keeps the law as they are supposed to in the Old Covenant. We cannot take bits and pieces of the Old Covenant and slice it up to make it seem "do-able".

Going back to live by the law of life and living is deserting Christ for another gospel and it is a perversion of the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;

[SUP]7 [/SUP] which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

These Judaizers were promoting the law of Moses " after the Gentiles came to believe in Christ alone " - in this case the Judaizers were promoting - circumcision as outlined in the Law of Moses.

There is no difference today either. We have modern day Judaizers trying to get Christians to go back to the law of living. It's a perversion of the real gospel.

azlightsout · Sep 26, 2016

[h=2]Loving God = Obeying God = Being Blessed![/h]
I totally agree with this .

Yonah · Sep 26, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Thank God we are told in the New Covenant what those commandments are for the believer in Christ.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Why don't we promote Christ instead of the law so that Christians can grow up in Christ?

We know that Rev. 1412 is NOT talking about the law of Moses because no one keeps the law as they are supposed to in the Old Covenant. We cannot take bits and pieces of the Old Covenant and slice it up to make it seem "do-able".

Going back to live by the law of life and living is deserting Christ for another gospel and it is a perversion of the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;

[SUP]7 [/SUP] which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

These Judaizers were promoting the law of Moses " after the Gentiles came to believe in Christ alone " - in this case the Judaizers were promoting - circumcision as outlined in the Law of Moses.

There is no difference today either. We have modern day Judaizers trying to get Christians to go back to the law of living. It's a perversion of the real gospel.

why don't you learn what a real Judaizer really is before you continue your false and unlearned accusations against those you don't even know... I grow weary of seeing you constantly misapply scripture you think you understand but clearly do not... otherwise you would not condemn the guiltless.

wattie · Sep 26, 2016

Yonah said:

Thought I'd jump in here sorry.. but..

Well, what do you mean by obeying the commandments in reference to Deuteronomy?

If that is the commandments you mean we should be obeying NOW.. then Grace 777 has a point.

Grace777x70 · Sep 26, 2016

Yonah said:

Why don't we promote Christ and Him crucified? Judaizers have a very low esteem for the law of Moses and for the work of Christ. We are not going to desert our Lord for the law of Moses - no matter what.

We will speak the truth of the gospel of Christ alone for salvation. We will not allow the gospel of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ to be perverted by Judaizers.

Here is what Paul had to say about those that are trying to get Gentiles to keep the law of Moses since they came to Christ - in this case it was wanting them to get circumcised just like the law of Moses says to do.

Galatians 2:3-5 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

Hizikyah · Sep 26, 2016

1John 2:7, "Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."

1 John 2:7ESV
"Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Hizikyah · Sep 26, 2016

John) 5:14, Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you."

My Savior is alive and at the right hand of YHWH! May we be strengthened to do His will!

Yonah · Sep 26, 2016

wattie said:

where is my statement do you see the word deut.?

Yonah · Sep 26, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

I am responding to your false accusation.. how about you directly address that? instead of using the old -shift the focus off of my wrongdoing tactic- my statement was not about the awesome gift our Savor gave to this dying world. my statement directly addressed your false and unfounded accusation... so how about you address this????

Hizikyah · Sep 26, 2016

1 Corinthians 7:19

ISR
The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Ylohim does matter!

New International Version
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

New Living Translation
For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God's commandments.

English Standard Version
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

Grace777x70 · Sep 26, 2016

Yonah said:

What was the accusation?

Here is exactly what I wrote below. I see no accusation in there concerning you.

I was stating facts - facts of what the commandments of God are for us in the New Covenant and that Rev 14:12 was NOT talking about the law of Moses. We are to promote Christ and NOT the law of Moses.

And going back to the law of Moses for life and living is deserting Christ just as Paul says in Gal1:6.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

Thank God we are told in the New Covenant what those commandments are for the believer in Christ.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Why don't we promote Christ instead of the law so that Christians can grow up in Christ?

We know that Rev. 14:12 is NOT talking about the law of Moses because no one keeps the law as they are supposed to in the Old Covenant. We cannot take bits and pieces of the Old Covenant and slice it up to make it seem "do-able".

Going back to live by the law of life and living is deserting Christ for another gospel and it is a perversion of the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;

[SUP]7 [/SUP] which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

These Judaizers were promoting the law of Moses " after the Gentiles came to believe in Christ alone " - in this case the Judaizers were promoting - circumcision as outlined in the Law of Moses.

There is no difference today either. We have modern day Judaizers trying to get Christians to go back to the law of living. It's a perversion of the real gospel.

UNQUOTE:

Grace777x70 · Sep 26, 2016

Hizikyah said:

So, if 1 Cor. 7:19 is talking about the law of Moses's commandments - then it would mean that we all stone our children for not obeying us - just like the law of Moses says.

( along with a hundred other things just like this which people do not do in violation of the law of Moses now in their fleshly attempts to say that they "observe" the law )

Thank God we know exactly what the commandments of God are now in the New Covenant. 1 John 3:23 tells us exactly what they are.

Hizikyah · Sep 26, 2016

2 John (Yahchanan) 1:9, "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Messiah, hath not Yah."

John (Yahchanan) 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166. poimén)."

John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

John (Yahchanan) 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

John (Yahchanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Adstar · Sep 26, 2016

And this is Works salvation mindset in a nutshell.. If you DO do do for God then God will pay you for doing it.. If you don't Do do do for God then you will receive no wages .. In this view God never gifts anyone anything.. In this view salvation is something that is a payment,, a wage,, for Working works for God..

The pride in the works salvation believers drives them into pushing this religious bondage view of God constantly.. They want to establish in the mind of the believers the concept of receiving blessings as a payment for doing the Law and doing good works..

They simply cannot believe that a loving God would give the gift of salvation by suffering death on the cross and therefore paying the wages of our transgressions and gifting us eternity in His perfect existence. They have the mans worldly view that you get nothing for free.. You got to pay your own way.. The problem with this worldly view is it does not work where in comes to God who is PERFECT and humans who can never conform to the PERFECT standards of God.. Human beings would have to be PERFECT in doing their works to justify their own entry into Gods PERFECT eternal existence.. And No man,, no not one,, shall ever achieve that perfection status before God by their own efforts..

Thus we who are Christians conclude that no man is justified by works no matter how much their religious Pride wants them to justify themselves. The only Way to salvation is to have ones failings forgiven.. And the Awesome message of Christianity is that our LORD Jesus Christ has secured that forgiveness through the Atonement He secured on the cross.. All our Praise and Honouring and boasting is therefore directed towards Him and there is no boasting for us humans..

That's why the Meek and the contrite ones shall be lifted up and the proud shall be ashamed and cast down on the day of Judgement..

wattie · Sep 26, 2016

Yonah said:

Oops sorry... jumped in too hastily!

Nevermind my last post.

What I was picking up on .. is yes.. in the NT we have service to Jesus thru following His commandments.. but like Grace 777 has pointed out.. this is the New Covenant service.. not the Law of Moses.

Anyhoo..

PaulMack · Sep 26, 2016

There is a difference between keeping the Commandments in Love and trying to keep the Commandments because of the Law. What good is it if you keep the Commandments trying to appease the Law? If you really are trying to keep the Commandments in Love you would not worry so much about others and how they follow God.

Yonah · Sep 27, 2016

PaulMack said:

how exactly do you know the motive behind anyone else's obedience??? can you answer that please?

heavenly_bound · Sep 27, 2016

disciplemike said:

do you think you in yourself can obey God? you frail man, do you really think you have the resources in you to obey God? Christ has replaced us! why not recon yourself as death even as the Word says, and that Christ now stands in the presence of heavenly Father in your stead, presenting you as perfect and obedient in Himself! your Christian life will always be a yo yo effect as long as you don't see that its no longer you that liveth but Christ liveth as you! There is a reason why He is called SAVIOR my dear brother! lets allow Him to live in and through us, by acknowledging Him as our only life!!! WITHOUT HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!

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