Real account of a sinner that stood directly before God...

[disciplemike]

Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:


Yeshua stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they?
Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you;
go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:10-11 (ESV2011, MBM)

 

[Magenta]

Do you think Jesus would condemn her if she happened to sin again?
When Jesus told us to forgive seven times seventy, which is four
hundred and ninety times, though I suspect we really are not supposed
to count at all, at what point do you think He stops forgiving us?

 

[disciplemike]

Magenta, ma'am,
there is nothing in that verse that says He would not forgive her again.
I was pointing out His instructions to her.

 

[renewed_hope]

Do you think Jesus would condemn her if she happened to sin again?
When Jesus told us to forgive seven times seventy, which is four
hundred and ninety times, though I suspect we really are not supposed
to count at all, at what point do you think He stops forgiving us?

I agree with Mike on this one. The price of our sin has already been paid and we shouldn't worry about not being forgiven of our sin. In order to repent of our sin we need to turun away from the sin. I'll give an example using kids since I used to teach them haha. If a child were to steal a dollar out of your purse and you caught them and they said "I'm sorry, please forgive me" and all is forgiven. But two days later you find them in your purse again. Again they ask for forgiveness, but you can tell they aren't truly sorry. Do your forgive them? Yes, but that doesn't mean you trust them, but you keep a much closer eye on them. I know it's a crazy story, but it's the same idea you need to understand God forgives us no matter what, but we also need to understand that we need to reastablish the trust and relationship we have with our heavenly Father when we repeatedly sin

 

[blessedjohn80]

If a child were to steal a dollar out of your purse and you caught them and they said "I'm sorry, please forgive me" and all is forgiven. But two days later you find them in your purse again. Again they ask for forgiveness, but you can tell they aren't truly sorry. Do your forgive them? Yes, but that doesn't mean you trust them, but you keep a much closer eye on them. I know it's a crazy story, but it's the same idea you need to understand God forgives us no matter what, but we also need to understand that we need to reastablish the trust and relationship we have with our heavenly Father when we repeatedly sin

Why not go even further. The child continues to steal and steal and asks for forgiveness. Will you kick them out and and disown them in the end? If not, for a man to be able to love this much then how much more our Father in heaven.

If yes, why? And how do you see our Father in heaven?

 

[Grace777x70]

There are 2 aspects to grace. The very first thing that Jesus does with the woman caught in adultery is that He gets rid of her accusers - the religious Pharisees that wanted to condemn her because the "Law of Moses" said so in the Old Covenant...she was to be stoned. ( the law condemns us )

This is why the Old Covenant is obsolete and we are now in the New Covenant which Jesus Himself brought in to us all who believe in Him.

Jesus was the only one qualified to condemn her but He didn't.


1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior - as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you".

It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.

2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace.

Empowering grace enables you to be who the Father sees you are in Christ now because you are a new creation in Him.


The religious law of Moses/Old Covenant mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you."

The grace of God and the blood of Jesus speaks of better things in this New Covenant of grace!

"Knowing" that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!

Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested.


What believers in a self-effort/self-performance D.I.Y. holiness/righteousness based mindset and the self-appointed "fruit inspectors" have a very hard time with is the "acceptance grace" part...this just drives them nuts...and I understand why..it is scandalous and it "conflicts" with their religious man-made traditions.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Magenta, ma'am,
there is nothing in that verse that says He would not forgive her again.
I was pointing out His instructions to her.

What, would you expect Jesus to encourage her to sin??

 

[MikeHenderson]

If you look carefully at this verse, Jesus told the woman to sin no more. Did He tell her she needed to keep the Law? No. Did He tell her she needed to keep the Sabbath on Saturday? No.

We are under Grace is why Jesus forgave her and told her not to sin anymore.

 

[Magenta]

I agree with Mike on this one.

Does that mean you disagree with me? You say one thing but then give a story that looks like you are agreeing with me after all. Please explain what I have said that you disagree with.

 

[LaurenTM]

Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:


Yeshua stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they?
Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you;
go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:10-11 (ESV2011, MBM)

Actually Mike, you have utterly missed the entire lesson here

Jesus had not yet been crucified...He was instructing a woman who knew ONLY of the culture and law culture in which she was raised and the punishment for adultery was death

BUT...that death sentence was to be commuted to BOTH adulterous parties...so where is the man?

there are several excellent lessons to be learned here

1. Jesus had the power to FORGIVE even before he died and rose again...BEFORE!!!

2. the men who threw the woman at Jesus' feet broke the law themselves because they somehow forgot the 2nd party caught in sin ...the man. This, really puts one in mind of how folks try to apply the law today. They want to apply what is convenient for them to apply.

Jesus would have none of it back then and He is having none of it now or in the future.

3. EVERYONE who brought the woman to Jesus was as guilty of sinning as was she by forgetting the obligation of righteousness of the law which would require ALL parties to pay the same penalty. So why didn't they stay and get themselves some of that forgiveness?

I would venture to guess they would have preferred stoning the woman because in their religious eyes, a righteous death would have been preferable

The law, is all about DEATH...Jesus is all about LIFE

I AM the Way, the Truth and the LIFE...receive Christ or die by the law at your own hands people

and that, about sums up the law and your lesson for today

 

[Yonah]

wow this is sad: all my brother did was post scripture and exalt the Fathers grace and mercy and yet still the attacks.... I just don't get it, I really don't.

 

[Magenta]

Magenta, ma'am,
there is nothing in that verse that says He would not forgive her again.
I was pointing out His instructions to her.

Sir, you emphasized sin no more, which I questioned you about. Have you no answer?

 

[LaurenTM]

wow this is sad: all my brother did was post scripture and exalt the Fathers grace and mercy and yet still the attacks.... I just don't get it, I really don't.​

what is sad, is expecting anyone who has had the opportunity to read the op's numerous threads inviting Christians to become Jewish converts and talk nonsense

give it up already

there is nothing to get...that might be the problem

you use the word attacks and assume we all see the same

what most of us see here, is a FALSE interpretation of scripture

and apparently, you see examining said interpretation as an attack

rhetoric on your part with no basis in reality, except perhaps a desire to serve a helping of false guilt of some sort​

 

[Utah]

Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:


Yeshua stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they?
Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you;
go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:10-11 (ESV2011, MBM)

Sin no more so that you may honor God, not so you keep the grace given you.

 

[eph610]

If you look carefully at this verse, Jesus told the woman to sin no more. Did He tell her she needed to keep the Law? No. Did He tell her she needed to keep the Sabbath on Saturday? No.

We are under Grace is why Jesus forgave her and told her not to sin anymore.

This does not negate the fact that both this woman, her accusers and Jesus himself were under the Law.
If Jesus had advised her to break a Law, Caiaphas The High Priest, could have put him to death for cause.

 

[Yonah]

[/FONT][/COLOR]what is sad, is expecting anyone who has had the opportunity to read the op's numerous threads inviting Christians to become Jewish converts and talk nonsense

give it up already

there is nothing to get...that might be the problem

you use the word attacks and assume we all see the same

what most of us see here, is a FALSE interpretation of scripture

and apparently, you see examining said interpretation as an attack

rhetoric on your part with no basis in reality, except perhaps a desire to serve a helping of false guilt of some sort[/INDENT]
[/FONT][/COLOR]

that's how you see it... so surely you must be right.

 

[Grace777x70]

I think that the gospel of the grace of Christ has been so watered down with law and condemnation that the "message" given out as the gospel does not have the power in it for real change. We can get born-again from it however which is wonderful but we need to be cemented in the true grace of Christ in order to grow up in Christ.

We can remain spiritual babies trying to still keep the law of Moses which is an Old Covenant which is now obsolete and in reality we are denying the life of Christ which is inside of us. We are denying the Holy Spirit's life in us that is transforming us for our own self-efforts in the flesh.

The gospel is about an exchanged life not merely a behavior modification program for the flesh to pretty it up. If we preached the real gospel then in "it" people will find real salvation - which will reflect in all these people being able to "go and sin" no more.


A lot of the exhortations by Paul to live right were always based on him first telling them what the real gospel is. These exhortations are descriptive of the fruit of an exchanged life.

Works-based salvationists/law of Moses-keepers ( they are really just "semi-keepers" as they don't really keep the true law of Moses - just certain ones ) - make these exhortations of Paul a requirement in order to be saved which is the complete opposite of the gospel message in Christ.

Acceptance grace is in "knowing" that we are completely forgiven, deeply loved as a child of God and forever sealed in Him - knowing this will release the 2nd aspect of grace - empowering grace to go and sin no more. It's a by-product of our new life in Christ.

We really need to be cemented in the 1st aspect of acceptance grace - then empowering grace will be manifested as a fruit of His life being lived in and through us.

 

[eph610]

The real truth in this story is the lengths religion will go to destroy someone who will stand for the hurt and dying...

 

[Magenta]

Acceptance grace is in "knowing" that we are completely forgiven, deeply loved as a child of God and forever sealed in Him - knowing this will release the 2nd aspect of grace - empowering grace to go and sin no more. It's a by-product of our new life in Christ.

Amen, this is so true, and something some people experience in a profoundly personal encounter with the Living Lord. All praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever, for loving us so much that He never forsakes us, pursuing us even as we turn from Him and run away in ignorance and rebellion. Amen!

 

[KenAllan]

If God never forsakes us then why is everything so dark? Where is He?