Did Jesus consider himself God?

Magenta · Sep 28, 2016

The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death. I hope that helps

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UndoubtingThomas · Sep 28, 2016

oyster67 said:

Satan seems to think He can get us hanged on the idea that we must choose whether Jesus was God or man. This is error and this is a lie. Jesus was both. He is now sitting at the right hand of God. Trinity means three in one. Jesus was man AND God, and no, there are not two Gods sitting in Heaven right now.

Are you not man and spirit?

Magenta · Sep 28, 2016

Question: "Is Jesus God in the flesh? Why is it important that Jesus is God in the flesh?"

Answer: Since Jesus’ conception by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the virgin Mary (Luke 1:26-38), the real identity of Jesus Christ has always been questioned by skeptics. It began with Mary's fiancé, Joseph, who was afraid to marry her when she revealed that she was pregnant (Matthew 1:18-24). He took her as his wife only after the angel confirmed to him that the child she carried was the Son of God.

Hundreds of years before the birth of Christ, the prophet Isaiah foretold the coming of God's Son: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). When the angel spoke to Joseph and announced the impending birth of Jesus, he alluded to Isaiah’s prophecy: "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God with us’)" (Matthew 1:23). This did not mean they were to name the baby Immanuel; it meant that "God with us" was the baby’s identity. Jesus was God coming in the flesh to dwell with man.

Jesus Himself understood the speculation about His identity. He asked His disciples, "Who do people say that I am?" (Matthew 16:13; Mark 8:27). The answers varied, as they do today. Then Jesus asked a more pressing question: "Who do you say that I am?" (Matthew 16:15). Peter gave the right answer: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16). Jesus affirmed the truth of Peter’s answer and promised that, upon that truth, He would build His church (Matthew 16:18).

The true nature and identity of Jesus Christ has eternal significance. Every person must answer the question Jesus asked His disciples: "Who do you say that I am?"

He gave us the correct answer in many ways. In John 14:9-10, Jesus said, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work."

The Bible is clear about the divine nature of the Lord Jesus Christ (see John 1:1-14). Philippians 2:6-7 says that, although Jesus was "in very nature God, He did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness." Colossians 2:9 says, “In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”

Jesus is fully God and fully man, and the fact of His incarnation is of utmost importance. He lived a human life but did not possess a sin nature as we do. He was tempted but never sinned (Hebrews 2:14-18; 4:15). Sin entered the world through Adam, and Adam’s sinful nature has been transferred to every baby born into the world (Romans 5:12)—except for Jesus. Because Jesus did not have a human father, He did not inherit a sin nature. He possessed the divine nature from His Heavenly Father.

Jesus had to meet all the requirements of a holy God before He could be an acceptable sacrifice for our sin (John 8:29; Hebrews 9:14). He had to fulfill over three hundred prophecies about the Messiah that God, through the prophets, had foretold (Matthew 4:13-14; Luke 22:37; Isaiah 53; Micah 5:2).

Since the fall of man (Genesis 3:21-23), the only way to be made right with God has been the blood of an innocent sacrifice (Leviticus 9:2; Numbers 28:19; Deuteronomy 15:21; Hebrews 9:22). Jesus was the final, perfect sacrifice that satisfied forever God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:14). His divine nature made Him fit for the work of Redeemer; His human body allowed Him to shed the blood necessary to redeem. No human being with a sin nature could pay such a debt. No one else could meet the requirements to become the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world (Matthew 26:28; 1 John 2:2). If Jesus were merely a good man as some claim, then He had a sin nature and was not perfect. In that case, His death and resurrection would have no power to save anyone.

Because Jesus was God in the flesh, He alone could pay the debt we owed to God. His victory over death and the grave won the victory for everyone who puts their trust in Him (John 1:12; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 17). https://gotquestions.org/God-in-the-flesh.html

Magenta · Sep 28, 2016

Question: "If Jesus was God, how could He pray to God? Was Jesus praying to Himself?"

Answer: To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had an eternal relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man. Please read John 5:19-27, particularly verse 23 where Jesus teaches that the Father sent the Son (also see John 15:10). Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem. He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is the Son of God, and always will be.

Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the Son was given and the Child was born. Jesus was always part of the tri-unity, along with the Holy Spirit. The tri-unity always existed, the Father God, the Son God, and the Spirit God, not three gods, but one God existing as three persons. Jesus taught that He and His Father are one (John 10:30), meaning that He and His Father are of the same substance and the same essence. The Father, Son and Spirit are three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had, and continue to have, an eternal relationship.

When Jesus, the eternal Son of God, took upon Himself sinless humanity He also took on the form of a servant, giving up His heavenly glory (Philippians 2:5-11). As the God-man, He had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8) to His Father as He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified. His praying to His heavenly Father was to ask for power (John 11:41-42) and wisdom (Mark 1:35,6:46). His praying showed His dependence upon His Father in His humanity to carry out His Father's plan of redemption, as evidenced in Christ's high priestly prayer in John 17. His praying demonstrated that He ultimately submitted to His Father's will, which was to go to the cross and pay the penalty (death) for our breaking God's law (Matthew 26:31-46). Of course, He rose bodily from the grave, winning forgiveness and eternal life for those who repent of sin and believe in Him as the Savior.

There is no problem with God the Son praying or talking to God the Father. As mentioned, they had an eternal relationship before Christ became a man. This relationship is depicted in the Gospels so we can see how the Son of God in His humanity carried out His Father's will, and in doing so, purchased redemption for His children (John 6:38). Christ’s continual submission to His heavenly Father was empowered and kept focused through His prayer life. Christ’s example of prayer is ours to follow.

Jesus Christ was no less God on earth when praying to His Father in heaven. He was depicting how even in sinless humanity it is necessary to have a vital prayer life in order to do His Father’s will. Jesus' praying to the Father was a demonstration of His relationship within the Trinity and an example for us that we must rely on God through prayer for the strength and wisdom we need. Since Christ, as the God-man, needed to have a vibrant prayer life, so should the follower of Christ today. https://gotquestions.org/Jesus-pray-God.html

UndoubtingThomas · Sep 28, 2016

Magenta said:

Question: "If Jesus was God, how could He pray to God? Was Jesus praying to Himself?"

Answer: To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had an eternal relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man. Please read John 5:19-27, particularly verse 23 where Jesus teaches that the Father sent the Son (also see John 15:10). Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem. He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is the Son of God, and always will be.

Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the Son was given and the Child was born. Jesus was always part of the tri-unity, along with the Holy Spirit. The tri-unity always existed, the Father God, the Son God, and the Spirit God, not three gods, but one God existing as three persons. Jesus taught that He and His Father are one (John 10:30), meaning that He and His Father are of the same substance and the same essence. The Father, Son and Spirit are three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had, and continue to have, an eternal relationship.

When Jesus, the eternal Son of God, took upon Himself sinless humanity He also took on the form of a servant, giving up His heavenly glory (Philippians 2:5-11). As the God-man, He had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8) to His Father as He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified. His praying to His heavenly Father was to ask for power (John 11:41-42) and wisdom (Mark 1:35,6:46). His praying showed His dependence upon His Father in His humanity to carry out His Father's plan of redemption, as evidenced in Christ's high priestly prayer in John 17. His praying demonstrated that He ultimately submitted to His Father's will, which was to go to the cross and pay the penalty (death) for our breaking God's law (Matthew 26:31-46). Of course, He rose bodily from the grave, winning forgiveness and eternal life for those who repent of sin and believe in Him as the Savior.

There is no problem with God the Son praying or talking to God the Father. As mentioned, they had an eternal relationship before Christ became a man. This relationship is depicted in the Gospels so we can see how the Son of God in His humanity carried out His Father's will, and in doing so, purchased redemption for His children (John 6:38). Christ’s continual submission to His heavenly Father was empowered and kept focused through His prayer life. Christ’s example of prayer is ours to follow.

Jesus Christ was no less God on earth when praying to His Father in heaven. He was depicting how even in sinless humanity it is necessary to have a vital prayer life in order to do His Father’s will. Jesus' praying to the Father was a demonstration of His relationship within the Trinity and an example for us that we must rely on God through prayer for the strength and wisdom we need. Since Christ, as the God-man, needed to have a vibrant prayer life, so should the follower of Christ today. https://gotquestions.org/Jesus-pray-God.html

Also I thank you for being a teacher rather than slanderous - I am learning as are many others. Straightforward answers are very much appreciated.

oyster67 · Sep 28, 2016

UndoubtingThomas said:

I am not the Holy Spirit. I call my own spirit (notice lower case) 'my soul'. It is eternal, but it is not God. It is what God gave me when He created me in His image in my mother's womb. The Holy Spirit, on the other hand, is what helps, encourages, and comforts me on a daily basis. This began on that wonderful day when I was born again.

UndoubtingThomas · Sep 28, 2016

Magenta said:

Question: "If Jesus was God, how could He pray to God? Was Jesus praying to Himself?"

Answer: To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had an eternal relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man. Please read John 5:19-27, particularly verse 23 where Jesus teaches that the Father sent the Son (also see John 15:10). Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem. He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is the Son of God, and always will be.

Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the Son was given and the Child was born. Jesus was always part of the tri-unity, along with the Holy Spirit. The tri-unity always existed, the Father God, the Son God, and the Spirit God, not three gods, but one God existing as three persons. Jesus taught that He and His Father are one (John 10:30), meaning that He and His Father are of the same substance and the same essence. The Father, Son and Spirit are three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had, and continue to have, an eternal relationship.

When Jesus, the eternal Son of God, took upon Himself sinless humanity He also took on the form of a servant, giving up His heavenly glory (Philippians 2:5-11). As the God-man, He had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8) to His Father as He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified. His praying to His heavenly Father was to ask for power (John 11:41-42) and wisdom (Mark 1:35,6:46). His praying showed His dependence upon His Father in His humanity to carry out His Father's plan of redemption, as evidenced in Christ's high priestly prayer in John 17. His praying demonstrated that He ultimately submitted to His Father's will, which was to go to the cross and pay the penalty (death) for our breaking God's law (Matthew 26:31-46). Of course, He rose bodily from the grave, winning forgiveness and eternal life for those who repent of sin and believe in Him as the Savior.

There is no problem with God the Son praying or talking to God the Father. As mentioned, they had an eternal relationship before Christ became a man. This relationship is depicted in the Gospels so we can see how the Son of God in His humanity carried out His Father's will, and in doing so, purchased redemption for His children (John 6:38). Christ’s continual submission to His heavenly Father was empowered and kept focused through His prayer life. Christ’s example of prayer is ours to follow.

Jesus Christ was no less God on earth when praying to His Father in heaven. He was depicting how even in sinless humanity it is necessary to have a vital prayer life in order to do His Father’s will. Jesus' praying to the Father was a demonstration of His relationship within the Trinity and an example for us that we must rely on God through prayer for the strength and wisdom we need. Since Christ, as the God-man, needed to have a vibrant prayer life, so should the follower of Christ today. https://gotquestions.org/Jesus-pray-God.html

Could you address this for me then?

Revelations 1
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

So assuming in Rev 1 John was referring to Jesus Christ (GOD), who is Jesus Christ (GOD) referring to below?
Revelations 22
8 And I am John, the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. 9 But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

Again I am not trying to be tricky here, I am only looking to understand. If you can point me in that direction I think I will have enough for several days of study!

UndoubtingThomas · Sep 28, 2016

oyster67 said:

Thank you for that, I understand now what you were saying : )

oyster67 · Sep 28, 2016

Welcome to the Family, Thomas!

UndoubtingThomas · Sep 28, 2016

There are not two God's. Jesus Christ is the Son of God sent here so that we could be saved through him. Honestly I don't think Jesus intended for us to worship him but to obtain salvation through him so that we are worthy (free of sin) of obtaining everlasting life from God. I can repent and ask Jesus to forgive my sins but worship belongs to the one true God. God seeks worship, HE is a jealous God. I tell you repent your sins through Jesus Christ the Son of God and ask God to save us from our oppressors. HE can and will move mountains for us....we are His children! The Israelites of Egypt were saved by Him! HE will save us too. I tell you, if we live using Jesus as our example and repent through Jesus and adhere to God's10 commandments plus the 2 additional ones Jesus gave us, HE will save us from destruction. It is upon us. Pray on the Sabbath, Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Honor Him HE will hear our cry!

bluto · Sep 28, 2016

UndoubtingThomas said:

Actually thomas your "sort" of on the right track but you obviously don't have a handle on the issue. Let's go to Philippians 2:4-8 but first let me set the table of the context what the Apostle Paul is talking about? At vs1 and 2 the Apostle is telling the Philippian believers to have the same mind and be intent on one purpose. At vs3, he is telling them not to be selfish and conceited but rather put others first even before yourself and Paul at vs4 expands on this.

Now, at vs 5 Paul is telling them to have the attitude of Jesus Chrst and how He/Jesus Christ put others first. Vs5, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, vs6, who, although He/Jesus Christ existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped. The important thing to note in this verse is the word, "although." In other words, that word means "in spite of the fact" that Jesus Christ was in the form God (or God) He did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped."

What does this mean? The Apostle Paul is saying that Christ did not regard His existing in divine position, privilege, authority, honor and glory as something to be held onto at all costs, as somthing to be grasped tightly. But He was willin gto give it up. He is like an earthy king who had all the wealth prestige, position, honor, and glory and looked upon it not as something he would never give up, but who was willing to give all that up (for a time) to meet the needs of his people. It is not giveing up His kingship, BUT THE OUTWARD EXPRSSION OF IT.

Vs7, "but emptied Himself, (how?) by taking the form of a bond-servant, being made in the likeness of men." Jesus Christ emptied Himself of His divine position (He did not empty Himself of His deity) because God cannot become not God and He became a man. Vs8, And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

So Jesus Christ had two natures, one of Deity on His Fathers side and one of human being on His mothers side. And you see all throughout the New Testament how Jesus Christ did "EVERTHING" to please His Father just like we are suppose to do as children of God. And your right, it was the body/flesh of Jesus Christ that died. Our spirits do not die because they belong to God. At Luke 23:46 Jesus said, "Father, into Thy hands I commity My spirit." And one last thing I think you should know? When Jesus Christ said on that cross, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" I personally don't believe that His Father did forsake Him. So thomas, does all that I said make sense to you? If you have any questions I will be happy to address them.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

resurrection33 · Sep 28, 2016

UndoubtingThomas said:

I don't think so based on multiple references most specifically...

Matthew 27
45 From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?” 47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He is calling Elijah.”…

Now consider...
Deuteronomy 4
4 Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

So God said, no one can change the law (add or subtract) and by law I am talking specifically about the 10 commandments (not all the sacrifice rules, slavery etc (for the sake of argument)) so if Jesus must obey God's law and he cannot change it, why do so many people think it has been changed? Given this what does the underlined say about any man made laws?

Please just use references from the Bible for reasoning. I am not arguing with it, I am simply looking for sound logic based on texts. For my understanding as well as for those that would like clarity.

I believe Jesus was God in flesh.

UndoubtingThomas · Sep 28, 2016

Well first of all thank you very much for your gracious response I was expecting to be lamb basted (no pun intended) over my comments. I don't think that when he cried out on the cross that God did for forsake His son. I do think though that he was crying out to God due to the suffering he endured. As far as everything else you have stated, let me just say this. I have a background in engineering so I have a tendency to think of things very rigid with logic and reason and that's probably part of my problem... and I don't want to offend anyone but I might show my naivety here. So I'll keep it at the human level for a moment I believe our soul is a spirit...it's in an energy form it's a spirit-energy (not divine)... so to me for a portion of that spirit to be separated from the whole makes a lot of sense similar to a water droplet being separated from a lake. So if we think of the Father as being the Divine Lake ( as a metaphor only not as blasphemy), a water droplet is a divine droplet. The lake is water and so is the droplet but the droplet is not a lake. It's just hard to believe and, I know that's where faith comes in, God vacated His throne while Christ was on Earth. But I certainly believe that there was enough of God's Divine Spirit in Christ for him to say he was God. He could do many things that were incredible but he was still in a human body and he could only leave it through a mortal death. And that mortal death was the sacrifice made for us.

In this way the statements I made about Revelations logically holds true. There's only one lake.

UndoubtingThomas · Sep 28, 2016

bluto said:

Actually thomas your "sort" of on the right track but you obviously don't have a handle on the issue. Let's go to Philippians 2:4-8 but first let me set the table of the context what the Apostle Paul is talking about? At vs1 and 2 the Apostle is telling the Philippian believers to have the same mind and be intent on one purpose. At vs3, he is telling them not to be selfish and conceited but rather put others first even before yourself and Paul at vs4 expands on this.

Now, at vs 5 Paul is telling them to have the attitude of Jesus Chrst and how He/Jesus Christ put others first. Vs5, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, vs6, who, although He/Jesus Christ existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped. The important thing to note in this verse is the word, "although." In other words, that word means "in spite of the fact" that Jesus Christ was in the form God (or God) He did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped."

What does this mean? The Apostle Paul is saying that Christ did not regard His existing in divine position, privilege, authority, honor and glory as something to be held onto at all costs, as somthing to be grasped tightly. But He was willin gto give it up. He is like an earthy king who had all the wealth prestige, position, honor, and glory and looked upon it not as something he would never give up, but who was willing to give all that up (for a time) to meet the needs of his people. It is not giveing up His kingship, BUT THE OUTWARD EXPRSSION OF IT.

Vs7, "but emptied Himself, (how?) by taking the form of a bond-servant, being made in the likeness of men." Jesus Christ emptied Himself of His divine position (He did not empty Himself of His deity) because God cannot become not God and He became a man. Vs8, And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

So Jesus Christ had two natures, one of Deity on His Fathers side and one of human being on His mothers side. And you see all throughout the New Testament how Jesus Christ did "EVERTHING" to please His Father just like we are suppose to do as children of God. And your right, it was the body/flesh of Jesus Christ that died. Our spirits do not die because they belong to God. At Luke 23:46 Jesus said, "Father, into Thy hands I commity My spirit." And one last thing I think you should know? When Jesus Christ said on that cross, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" I personally don't believe that His Father did forsake Him. So thomas, does all that I said make sense to you? If you have any questions I will be happy to address them.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I'm sorry I forgot to tag you in my response which is a couple comments up

Tintin · Sep 28, 2016

Jesus Christ didn't consider Himself God. He was and is God. He doesn't just think this is true, He knows it's true.

RobbyEarl · Sep 29, 2016

Tintin said:

He told the Pharisees that before Abraham was "I AM" so he knew who and what He was.

UndoubtingThomas · Sep 29, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

"I AM" is God so yes that makes sense but I definitely understand the confusion. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm just saying with all the religions in our country if we are all doing what we are supposed to be doing, God would hear our prayers.

RobbyEarl · Sep 29, 2016

UndoubtingThomas said:

God does hear our prayers, only if that prayer is in the faith of the work of the cross. The only other prayer God will hear is that of sinner accepting the work of the cross. However, God is not a microwave ( say a prayer and 20 seconds get an answer) do you realize that God promised Abraham all the land that he walked on and it was 400 years later that in came to pass.

UndoubtingThomas · Sep 29, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

I do not believe that God hears the prayers of a sinner, Jesus said himself the only way to God is through Him. You have to repent.

RobbyEarl · Sep 29, 2016

UndoubtingThomas said:

Then how do we get saved? we were all sinners?

Did Jesus consider himself God?

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