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disciplemike

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The Great Savior Teaches...

And he answered them,
"Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans,
because they suffered in this way?
No, I tell you; but unless you repent,
you will all likewise perish.
Luke 13:2-3 (ESV2011, MBM)

Does it sound like repentance is a key step - to avoid perishing?

 
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What are we to repent of? Our rebellion against God?

Disclaimer: by responding to the OP I do not claim to be a Bible scholar.
 
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I too do not claim to be a bible scholar ( not sure what that even means either )

I will answer what I believe about repentance to God in our Lord Jesus words regarding repenting of our own ways of thinking towards things ( remember that these people Jesus was speaking too were all "law-keepers". )

Jesus is telling all law of Moses observers to "repent" - change your mind about things and believe the gospel. Acknowledge you have sin - which the religious strict law of Moses keepers the Pharisees and scribes thought they didn't have.

Mark 1:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,

[SUP]15 [/SUP] and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
None of us would be able to attain the righteousness of God and we all have all sinned - even all the "good" Jews that supposedly kept the law back in Jesus' time.

This is why I believe Jesus said that all of us would perish in some form or other just like those that had the tower fall on them - not because we did supposedly keep the law of Moses for all of us have sinned and we need the righteousness of God to be able to be with the Lord and not perish - which Jesus provided for us. Thank you Jesus!.

Romans 3:21-28 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

[SUP]22 [/SUP] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

[SUP]24 [/SUP] being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

[SUP]25 [/SUP] whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;

[SUP]26 [/SUP] for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

[SUP]27 [/SUP] Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

[SUP]28 [/SUP] For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
 
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disciplemike said:
The Great Savior Teaches...

And he answered them,
"Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans,
because they suffered in this way?
No, I tell you; but unless you repent,
you will all likewise perish.
Luke 13:2-3 (ESV2011, MBM)

Does it sound like repentance is a key step - to avoid perishing?
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I think Jesus was saying that their 'Club Israel' card wasn't going to gain them entrance into the Kingdom.

Only belief in Christ would, and that was going to take some repenting (changing of their minds)!

-JGIG
 
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disciplemike said:
The Great Savior Teaches...

And he answered them,
"Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans,
because they suffered in this way?
No, I tell you; but unless you repent,
you will all likewise perish.
Luke 13:2-3 (ESV2011, MBM)

Does it sound like repentance is a key step - to avoid perishing?
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Yes it does. For GOD desires that none should perish but that all should come to repentence and the knowledge of the TRUTH

John 15:22 CHRIST said if I had not come and done amongst us what no other has done we would have no sin...but now we need a "cloke" for our sins

when John came preaching water baptism for the forgiveness of sins he was in a sense declaring all of Israel unclean
 
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Repentance isn't turning away from sin
It's turning toward God.
And when we turn TO Him we turn away from sin.
This is an important distinction, many turn away from sin, but don't turn toward Love.
 
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Cee said:
Repentance isn't turning away from sin
It's turning toward God.
And when we turn TO Him we turn away from sin.
This is an important distinction, many turn away from sin, but don't turn toward Love.
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So what do you say to those who are doing all things who feel like an empty shell?
 
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What do you say to those who have left themselves with Their Lord but can't even rely on how they feel anymore. Who in fact don't even look at it judge anything anymore by how they feel

rhey know the right thing to do. They won't kill or harm but they just don't feel the way they felt from the beginning when the SPIRIT was poured out upon them they felt like such a love outpouring upon them that it overflowed on all.

But it now I don't feel this anymore In fact I can't even rely on my feelings at all because I can't feel them?

is that dependence on the flesh or dependence still on THE SPIRIT?
 
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ok, this early report coming in.
some members say that to "repent" does not mean to turn away from sin.

upon closer examination, it appears that the Messiah is contrasting "sinners" with those who "repent".

The comparison is clear.

now, on with the comments. I am reading. thank you for your offerings on the topic.
 
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When I was born again I cried all the time. I cried for the souls of men. But o withheld the word because I cried all the time and because I had a fear of offending men I held back HIS WORD


yet now I don't. And yet I feel like I am an empty shell
 
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Anybody have an answer to that?
 
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Life is a Person. Seek Him. Everything else will be added.

miknik5 said:
So what do you say to those who are doing all things who feel like an empty shell?
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disciplemike said:
The Great Savior Teaches...

And he answered them,
"Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans,
because they suffered in this way?
No, I tell you; but unless you repent,
you will all likewise perish.
Luke 13:2-3 (ESV2011, MBM)

Does it sound like repentance is a key step - to avoid perishing?
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Everyone who believes in Jesus Christ has repented of their unbelief.
 
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miknik5 said:
What do you say to those who have left themselves with Their Lord but can't even rely on how they feel anymore. Who in fact don't even look at it judge anything anymore by how they feel

rhey know the right thing to do. They won't kill or harm but they just don't feel the way they felt from the beginning when the SPIRIT was poured out upon them they felt like such a love outpouring upon them that it overflowed on all.

But it now I don't feel this anymore In fact I can't even rely on my feelings at all because I can't feel them?

is that dependence on the flesh or dependence still on THE SPIRIT?
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"Feelings" are a fickle thing indeed. You are right to not rely on them.
 
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Jesus said repent for the Kingdom is at hand.

At hand: In front of you. In the midst of you.

Turn toward the King's Dominion.

The Kingdom is Love. Turn toward the Person. He is Truth, Life, Love, Freedom. He is the WAY.

Sin is anything not of faith. Not just the Old Covenant commandments given to Moses for Jews.

That's why LOVE fulfills them.

disciplemike said:
ok, this early report coming in.
some members say that to "repent" does not mean to turn away from sin.

upon closer examination, it appears that the Messiah is contrasting "sinners" with those who "repent".

The comparison is clear.

now, on with the comments. I am reading. thank you for your offerings on the topic.
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Feelings are good in alignment with truth. But they do not lead us.

If Scripture says have joy and you feel joy your emotions agree with the Spirit.

If you have fear and Scripture says have no fear, we go back to the truth in Spirit and as we repent our feelings will once again align with truth.

I say this because wholeness is not dismissing feelings, God gave us them, but we are not lead by them either. They serve the Spirit of God.

FreeNChrist said:
"Feelings" are a fickle thing indeed. You are right to not rely on them.
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Cee said:
Feelings are good in alignment with truth. But they do not lead us.

If Scripture says have joy and you feel joy your emotions agree with the Spirit.

If you have fear and Scripture says have no fear, we go back to the truth in Spirit and as we repent our feelings will once again align with truth.

I say this because wholeness is not dismissing feelings, God gave us them, but we are not lead by them either. They serve the Spirit of God.
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As a response to truth, great. As a substitute for truth, not so much. Emotions are merely responders, and what they respond to is what we are thinking. Which is why God appeals to our minds, not our emotions.
 
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disciplemike said:
1jn3.4 .....
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Sin is not following God. In order to follow God you have to turn toward Him. God is Love. The commandment Jesus gave is to love. We are known as disciples by our love. We are judged as sheep and goats by our love. We are filled by Him by knowing His love. We show our knowledge of Him by our love. Love is the fruit of the Spirit. Love is our reward.

Sin is not love. It is ugly not of God and it is a sign of those who are not built up in love.

Go and sin no more. Jesus says those who are forgiven much, love much. That's why the law didn't empower us to love. It taught us our need for a Savior. And when He forgave us and loved us it empowered us to love. And love fulfills the law and does not sin.
 
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Well said. :)

FreeNChrist said:
As a response to truth, great. As a substitute for truth, not so much. Emotions are merely responders, and what they respond to is what we are thinking. Which is why God appeals to our minds, not our emotions.
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