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The seventh day was set apart and made holy at creation...
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou
shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant,
nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all
that in them is, and rested the seventh day:
wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
God (Jesus Christ) revealed the seventh day to Israel for forty YEARS.
Every meal they were reminded which day the Sabbath was.
Christ did all the creating and He knew which day the Sabbath was...
sorry to the o.p., i did not mean to derail and chage the thread subject here.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou
shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant,
nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all
that in them is, and rested the seventh day:
wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
God (Jesus Christ) revealed the seventh day to Israel for forty YEARS.
Every meal they were reminded which day the Sabbath was.
Christ did all the creating and He knew which day the Sabbath was...
sorry to the o.p., i did not mean to derail and chage the thread subject here.
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why not just read for yourself here if you do not believe saturday
the 7th day of the week is the sabbath, or not the correct day of the week.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday
you can search the bible from gen. to rev. and find no authorization
to change the sabbath, 7th day week to sunday or monday
the 7th day of the week is the sabbath, or not the correct day of the week.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday
you can search the bible from gen. to rev. and find no authorization
to change the sabbath, 7th day week to sunday or monday
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John 8:3, 7-11 NIV:
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
Yes, prove-all, I'm quite aware.
You were engaging in a 'gotcha' moment with Huglife, while I was simply posting what the Law, as it was given by God, actually says.
According to the Law, as it was given, the community of Torah keepers must stone those who violate the Sabbath.
Do you and your community uphold that Law?
-JGIG
The New Covenant does not command us to keep the Old Covenant Passover, but to remember the Work of Christ - the shedding of His Blood, not the blood of lambs whose blood was painted over doorposts.
Which brings me to a question for you: Do you go to Jerusalem as the Law requires for the pilgrimage feasts? Sukkot is coming up - do you have plans to travel to Jerusalem as commanded in the Law? I hear it's lovely this time of year!
-JGIG
no it was not in a 'gotcha' moment, i was scanning the post and made a quick reply,
not reliasing it was in error at that time. sorry i posted before reliasing it.
as it was given
in the old testement everything was physical,
now there is more spiritual, and the law was made honorable.
and no we should not go around killing each other, Christ made that plain.
I am not one speaks my own mind but will tell you what I believe and know.
I had an old elder lady help me get married, she never keep the sabbath,
I would say she was the nicest person i ever met, and would never judge
someone or say they are not going to be with our king.
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now the bible says the passover and days of unleavened bread
was astabalished and ordained forever, before one word of the law was given at mt sinia.
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the bible also talks about knowlege and wisdom apon keeping the commandents.
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also the promise or covenent given about the Sabbath mark or sign,
this was after the ten commands covenent, and it is a seperate covent apart from it.
and was open to those there, and anyone not there that day also.
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there also is a mark of the beast in the bible that is counter to Gods mark.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
God is now not forcing people to keep the Sabbath,
but is recorded that soon all flesh will keep it.
so should we do as Christ did, or change to another day and tradations of man
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not reliasing it was in error at that time. sorry i posted before reliasing it.
as it was given
in the old testement everything was physical,
now there is more spiritual, and the law was made honorable.
and no we should not go around killing each other, Christ made that plain.
I am not one speaks my own mind but will tell you what I believe and know.
I had an old elder lady help me get married, she never keep the sabbath,
I would say she was the nicest person i ever met, and would never judge
someone or say they are not going to be with our king.
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now the bible says the passover and days of unleavened bread
was astabalished and ordained forever, before one word of the law was given at mt sinia.
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the bible also talks about knowlege and wisdom apon keeping the commandents.
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also the promise or covenent given about the Sabbath mark or sign,
this was after the ten commands covenent, and it is a seperate covent apart from it.
and was open to those there, and anyone not there that day also.
-
there also is a mark of the beast in the bible that is counter to Gods mark.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
God is now not forcing people to keep the Sabbath,
but is recorded that soon all flesh will keep it.
so should we do as Christ did, or change to another day and tradations of man
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Okay, so what about the Scriptures that make it clear that violating the Sabbath is a sin punishable by death?
So the way Israel obeyed (when they did obey) the Law in the Old Testament was dishonorable? They were less 'spiritual'?
The Law is 'honorable' now because you say it is more 'spiritual'?
Ohhhh . . . . and please cite the Scripture that tells us that death is now not the punishment for sin.
That's lovely, and I'm so glad you didn't stone that sweet lady. It's also not obeying the Law as it was given.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for advocating for the stoning of Law-breakers, but the Law, as it was given, IS very clear about the Law's enforcement.
My view, and I believe it to backed up by contextual Scripture, is that after the Work of Christ, though the Law was not done away with completely, it is completely obsolete as a functioning covenantal system. Those who are in Christ are dead to the Law, having no relationship with it whatsoever. Those who are not in Christ stand condemned by the Law, and it points them to Christ as the only remedy for their hopeless state.
Yet Christ commanded us to remember Him and His Work, not the deliverance of Israel from Egypt. The Hebrew concept of 'forever' comes into play where Passover, the other Feasts, and the Law are concerned. You can learn about that here:
[video=youtube;WFGw9mpmi0s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFGw9mpmi0s[/video]
What are the commandments of God after the Cross?
That's one interpretation of the binding nature of the Sabbath. And if you find blessing in keeping a seventh-day Sabbath, then go for it!
To say that it is God's Law for everyone, however, is error.
Did Christ keep the seventh-day Sabbath? Yep. As a Jew born in the first century, He was born under the Law.
Me? I'm a Gentile born after the Cross. The Law wasn't given to me in the first place, and the Sabbath was not mandated to mankind until Sinai. God rested on the seventh day of creation.
I really like this article which helps to put it all into perspective, written by a pastor who has been on both sides of the issue:
-JGIG
So the way Israel obeyed (when they did obey) the Law in the Old Testament was dishonorable? They were less 'spiritual'?
The Law is 'honorable' now because you say it is more 'spiritual'?
Ohhhh . . . . and please cite the Scripture that tells us that death is now not the punishment for sin.
That's lovely, and I'm so glad you didn't stone that sweet lady. It's also not obeying the Law as it was given.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for advocating for the stoning of Law-breakers, but the Law, as it was given, IS very clear about the Law's enforcement.
My view, and I believe it to backed up by contextual Scripture, is that after the Work of Christ, though the Law was not done away with completely, it is completely obsolete as a functioning covenantal system. Those who are in Christ are dead to the Law, having no relationship with it whatsoever. Those who are not in Christ stand condemned by the Law, and it points them to Christ as the only remedy for their hopeless state.
Yet Christ commanded us to remember Him and His Work, not the deliverance of Israel from Egypt. The Hebrew concept of 'forever' comes into play where Passover, the other Feasts, and the Law are concerned. You can learn about that here:
[video=youtube;WFGw9mpmi0s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFGw9mpmi0s[/video]
What are the commandments of God after the Cross?
23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. (from 1 Jn. 3)
That's one interpretation of the binding nature of the Sabbath. And if you find blessing in keeping a seventh-day Sabbath, then go for it!
To say that it is God's Law for everyone, however, is error.
Did Christ keep the seventh-day Sabbath? Yep. As a Jew born in the first century, He was born under the Law.
Me? I'm a Gentile born after the Cross. The Law wasn't given to me in the first place, and the Sabbath was not mandated to mankind until Sinai. God rested on the seventh day of creation.
I really like this article which helps to put it all into perspective, written by a pastor who has been on both sides of the issue:
-JGIG
Got a mouse in your pocket? 
(Old saying when someone doesn't want' to be included the 'we'.)
Since sin is transgression of the law, seeing that man is no longer under the law of the OT but grace then how could one be subject to the law of the OT except one be under the law of the OT. Than again, according to Hebrews 8:7, if the first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Romans 4:15
So I guess you have to figure out if your faith is under the law written in the Bible or your conscience, and if your conscience then how could any act be worthy of death other than violating another's right to life by intentionally causing their death. But the best way to answer the question would be to ask yourself what do you think would should subject you to death penalty.
"15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true:...." John 8:15-16
Just remember what is written in Matthew 7:2
(Old saying when someone doesn't want' to be included the 'we'.)Since sin is transgression of the law, seeing that man is no longer under the law of the OT but grace then how could one be subject to the law of the OT except one be under the law of the OT. Than again, according to Hebrews 8:7, if the first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Romans 4:15
So I guess you have to figure out if your faith is under the law written in the Bible or your conscience, and if your conscience then how could any act be worthy of death other than violating another's right to life by intentionally causing their death. But the best way to answer the question would be to ask yourself what do you think would should subject you to death penalty.
"15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true:...." John 8:15-16
Just remember what is written in Matthew 7:2
On the fifteenth day of this seventh month is the Festival of Sukkot, seven days for the L-RD. Leviticus 23:34
The Festival of Sukkot begins on Tishri 15, the fifth day after Yom Kippur. It is quite a drastic transition, from one of the most solemn holidays in our year to one of the most joyous. Sukkot is so unreservedly joyful that it is commonly referred to in Jewish prayer and literature as Z'man Simchateinu
, the Season of our Rejoicing.
Sukkot is the last of the Shalosh R'galim (three pilgrimage festivals). Like Passover and Shavu'ot, Sukkot has a dual significance: historical and agricultural. Historically, Sukkot commemorates the forty-year period during which the children of Israel were wandering in the desert, living in temporary shelters. Agriculturally, Sukkot is a harvest festival and is sometimes referred to as Chag Ha-Asif
, the Festival of Ingathering.
The word "Sukkot" means "booths," and refers to the temporary dwellings that we are commanded to live in during this holiday in memory of the period of wandering. The Hebrew pronunciation of Sukkot is "Sue COAT," but is often pronounced as in Yiddish, to rhyme with "BOOK us." The name of the holiday is frequently translated "Feast of Tabernacles," which, like many translations of Jewish terms, isn't very useful. This translation is particularly misleading, because the word "tabernacle" in the Bible refers to the portable Sanctuary in the desert, a precursor to the Temple, called in Hebrew "mishkan." The Hebrew word "sukkah" (plural: "sukkot") refers to the temporary booths that people lived in, not to the Tabernacle.
Sukkot lasts for seven days. The two days following the festival, Shemini Atzeret and Simchat Torah, are separate holidays but are related to Sukkot and are commonly thought of as part of Sukkot.
The festival of Sukkot is instituted in Leviticus 23:33 et seq. No work is permitted on the first and second days of the holiday. (See Extra Day of Holidays for an explanation of why the Bible says one day but we observe two). Work is permitted on the remaining days. These intermediate days on which work is permitted are referred to as Chol Ha-Mo'ed, as are the intermediate days of Passover. Judaism 101: Sukkot
The Festival of Sukkot begins on Tishri 15, the fifth day after Yom Kippur. It is quite a drastic transition, from one of the most solemn holidays in our year to one of the most joyous. Sukkot is so unreservedly joyful that it is commonly referred to in Jewish prayer and literature as Z'man Simchateinu
Sukkot is the last of the Shalosh R'galim (three pilgrimage festivals). Like Passover and Shavu'ot, Sukkot has a dual significance: historical and agricultural. Historically, Sukkot commemorates the forty-year period during which the children of Israel were wandering in the desert, living in temporary shelters. Agriculturally, Sukkot is a harvest festival and is sometimes referred to as Chag Ha-Asif
The word "Sukkot" means "booths," and refers to the temporary dwellings that we are commanded to live in during this holiday in memory of the period of wandering. The Hebrew pronunciation of Sukkot is "Sue COAT," but is often pronounced as in Yiddish, to rhyme with "BOOK us." The name of the holiday is frequently translated "Feast of Tabernacles," which, like many translations of Jewish terms, isn't very useful. This translation is particularly misleading, because the word "tabernacle" in the Bible refers to the portable Sanctuary in the desert, a precursor to the Temple, called in Hebrew "mishkan." The Hebrew word "sukkah" (plural: "sukkot") refers to the temporary booths that people lived in, not to the Tabernacle.
Sukkot lasts for seven days. The two days following the festival, Shemini Atzeret and Simchat Torah, are separate holidays but are related to Sukkot and are commonly thought of as part of Sukkot.
The festival of Sukkot is instituted in Leviticus 23:33 et seq. No work is permitted on the first and second days of the holiday. (See Extra Day of Holidays for an explanation of why the Bible says one day but we observe two). Work is permitted on the remaining days. These intermediate days on which work is permitted are referred to as Chol Ha-Mo'ed, as are the intermediate days of Passover. Judaism 101: Sukkot