Go, make disciples, baptise, and instill doctrine

[Persuaded]

Matthew 28:19-20
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father,and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen"

How many of us are doing as Jesus commanded? Going, making disciples, baptizing, and instilling doctrine.
It seem many of us so concerned about how badly we have been treated, or how corrupted religion has become, or in the end time events, or if we should meet in homes or in a "church" building, etc, that we don't have time to do as Jesus commanded.

How many disciples have you/your church made this year?
How many of those new disciples has your church baptized this year?
How much sound doctrine have you/your church instilled in these new disciples?
Are you doing your part?

Maybe, just maybe, the world would be a better place, and all the corruption present in some churches, and our own self pity, would disappear if we only did as Jesus commanded.

 

[Yonah]

how many have you made? many here are involved in the ministry the Father led them to do, just because you don't know about things happing doesn't mean they are not, I think the world would be a better place if folks would stop worrying so much about what others do or do not do and just yield themselves the Fathers will in their lives...

 

[CeileDe]

how many have you made? many here are involved in the ministry the Father led them to do, just because you don't know about things happing doesn't mean they are not, I think the world would be a better place if folks would stop worrying so much about what others do or do not do and just yield themselves the Fathers will in their lives...

I think it is a legit question. Why so defensive about it? We Christians sit here and complain about how our country is going, how our lives are spiraling out of control. How are we living our Christian life? Are we putting God first and doing our part in sharing His love with others?

I will answer his questions. No, I am not doing my part and I really need to do more. I need to put God first in my life and put my trust in Him. I need to spread the Gospel with others in the work place. Everyday I am surrounded by people who I could share the Word with but I'm either to busy or to afraid.

So yeah I could do a lot more.

 

[Persuaded]

I think it is a legit question. Why so defensive about it? We Christians sit here and complain about how our country is going, how our lives are spiraling out of control. How are we living our Christian life? Are we putting God first and doing our part in sharing His love with others?

I will answer his questions. No, I am not doing my part and I really need to do more. I need to put God first in my life and put my trust in Him. I need to spread the Gospel with others in the work place. Everyday I am surrounded by people who I could share the Word with but I'm either to busy or to afraid.

So yeah I could do a lot more.[/QUOTE

So can I brother.
Regardless of our "ministry", going, witnessing, and teaching is to be part of it.

 

[pottersclay]

how many have you made? many here are involved in the ministry the Father led them to do, just because you don't know about things happing doesn't mean they are not, I think the world would be a better place if folks would stop worrying so much about what others do or do not do and just yield themselves the Fathers will in their lives...

I for one love to hear who has been blessed into leading someone to Christ...love it...love it...love it. I can sit for hours and here stories of the saints in action. 26 and counting so far with me, was blessed with disciplining 9 or so. Baptised 2 I think. Anyways yonah what a rude crude response.

 

[Ariel82]

I think it is a legit question. Why so defensive about it? We Christians sit here and complain about how our country is going, how our lives are spiraling out of control. How are we living our Christian life? Are we putting God first and doing our part in sharing His love with others?

I will answer his questions. No, I am not doing my part and I really need to do more. I need to put God first in my life and put my trust in Him. I need to spread the Gospel with others in the work place. Everyday I am surrounded by people who I could share the Word with but I'm either to busy or to afraid.

So yeah I could do a lot more.

I don't sit and complain. Truthfully haven't been on the site much.

I don't make disciples that I know of. I just follow the Holy Spirit and where He leads. I "lead" a Christcare group of 7 women and we help each other learn and be disciples of Christ. I told them I would facilitate but prefer Christ and the Holy Spirit to lead our group and our discussions and prayers.

We shouldn't fall into the trap of what we arent doing or haven't done,but look instead at what we should do and are doing right through prayer and thanksgiving.

There are areas I need to work on in my life. My self control concerning sleep, prayer, excerise, diet, listening, being presents and loving to those around me, etc could be improved. However, I know God is working in my heart and mind. He has convicted me about the sun of gossiping and revealed that many around me do it and make excuses. That doesn't make them right and we should not listen to hurtful gossip or make our own excuses for doing so. It to one me a while to discern what is and isn't gossip. However God teaches us discernment if we take the time to pray and listen to His guidance.

We only have so much time in a day. Some days I feel like I have wasted away God's greatest investment....my time and attention on things that don't matter. Like Martha, so busy doing when we should learn to be like Mary and sit at the feet of our Lord and learn from Him.

 

[wattie]

I remember being in 'church programmes' .. so we would have weekly discipleship one to one with the pastor, also disciple each other, and we would do evangelism outreaches as an entire church in the weekend and we would have a bible study time during the week.

These things are all well and good if they have God directing the way in them.

If we do these things because it is the church program and we are making numbers.. then it is not empowered by Christ.

So, eventually in some of these things (not all, because some were being done out of love for Jesus), they fall over.


'in all they ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths'

You need to see path Christ is lighting up before going down a certain track. Sure you can start down a track and then the path is lit up ahead by Christ, but the point is that you are allowing God to light the way rather than going under your own steam.

'We got 25 people saved today!'

- Did YOU, or did Jesus?

- And how do you know? Wasn't that between those people and God? And so you don't really know for sure who did get saved!

or

'We had 500 people coming to our service today!'

What was preached? Christ crucified and risen and preaching right from the Word.. or a general popular attention getting topic that had little scripture?

Is this 500 people with very little depth of christianity?

What about a congregation of 12 who know the Word well and fellowship regularly.. and care for eachother?

'Oh that church only has twelve people, I'm not going there'........

Do you want to be fed the Word or be popular?

 

[lastofall]

[for me anyway] the "teaching all nations" and "teaching them to observe" are self-explanatory and quite evident exactly what He is telling us, which is to teach (i.e. to instruct, to inform, to communicate) which may result in someone believing and becoming a disciple: but to "make disciples" was a term from the scholastic achievers who endeavored to describe their view of what the Lord meant, nothing more; for scholars words are not scripture, but only what the Lord exactly said, and nothing wavering. [again for me anyway] the Lord Jesus Christ tells us exactly if and how we are disciples, and we need not that anyone else tells us, namely:

"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;" (John 8:31)

 

[Chester]

Matthew 28:19-20
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father,and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen"

How many of us are doing as Jesus commanded? Going, making disciples, baptizing, and instilling doctrine.
It seem many of us so concerned about how badly we have been treated, or how corrupted religion has become, or in the end time events, or if we should meet in homes or in a "church" building, etc, that we don't have time to do as Jesus commanded.

How many disciples have you/your church made this year?
How many of those new disciples has your church baptized this year?
How much sound doctrine have you/your church instilled in these new disciples?
Are you doing your part?

Maybe, just maybe, the world would be a better place, and all the corruption present in some churches, and our own self pity, would disappear if we only did as Jesus commanded.

My church? We are not doing very well at this job!

For us it seems much of the fight is just keeping our own children (and even at that we lose some). But having said that, I do think that keeping one's own children is high priority.

We have had one convert from the community in the last five years. (Sad, I know . . .)

I think the Great Commission puts the focus clearly on going into the world to win converts and disciple them to maturity. This is a very different focus than simply scrambling to pick up discontented Christians from other churches.

 

[pottersclay]

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I remember being in 'church programmes' .. so we would have weekly discipleship one to one with the pastor, also disciple each other, and we would do evangelism outreaches as an entire church in the weekend and we would have a bible study time during the week.

These things are all well and good if they have God directing the way in them.

If we do these things because it is the church program and we are making numbers.. then it is not empowered by Christ.

So, eventually in some of these things (not all, because some were being done out of love for Jesus), they fall over.


'in all they ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths'

You need to see path Christ is lighting up before going down a certain track. Sure you can start down a track and then the path is lit up ahead by Christ, but the point is that you are allowing God to light the way rather than going under your own steam.

'We got 25 people saved today!'

- Did YOU, or did Jesus?

- And how do you know? Wasn't that between those people and God? And so you don't really know for sure who did get saved!

or

'We had 500 people coming to our service today!'

What was preached? Christ crucified and risen and preaching right from the Word.. or a general popular attention getting topic that had little scripture?

Is this 500 people with very little depth of christianity?

What about a congregation of 12 who know the Word well and fellowship regularly.. and care for eachother?

'Oh that church only has twelve people, I'm not going there'........

Do you want to be fed the Word or be popular?

Brother wattie, sometimes it to plant a seed, sometimes it's to recover a prodigal, it's to touch the lost, it starts to heal the broken, I'm telling you boy there power in the gospel. Seen grown men shed real tears, bitter people smile, depressed people laugh, now Jesus said to look for certain people ( the all people) I'm still looking for them so I'm not quite sure how they look so I sometimes ask everybody.

You know we are held accountable for this commission, Jesus told several parables about this. (Cant wait for the response on this one).

 

[Persuaded]

My church? We are not doing very well at this job!

For us it seems much of the fight is just keeping our own children (and even at that we lose some). But having said that, I do think that keeping one's own children is high priority.

We have had one convert from the community in the last five years. (Sad, I know . . .)

I think the Great Commission puts the focus clearly on going into the world to win converts and disciple them to maturity. This is a very different focus than simply scrambling to pick up discontented Christians from other churches.

I know it can be very difficult in some areas to win the lost because of various reasons.
I live and pastor in a very rural area. 95% of those I come in contact with say they are saved and are a member of a local church. So the church I serve as pastor has not been very successful if we just look numbers in our local area.
Because of this, 20 years ago we became very active in supporting Missionaries in foreign countries.
In a since, you might say that we do as the Lord commanded by proxy.
We help support four different men who have been very successful in winning the lost.
We give over 50% of the church's offerings to help support these four men.
If you live in an area like I do, I would suggest that you look into supporting a Missionary in a foreign country.
If you cannot go, send someone who can!

 

[Adstar]

Matthew 28:19-20
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father,and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen"

How many of us are doing as Jesus commanded? Going, making disciples, baptizing, and instilling doctrine.
It seem many of us so concerned about how badly we have been treated, or how corrupted religion has become, or in the end time events, or if we should meet in homes or in a "church" building, etc, that we don't have time to do as Jesus commanded.

How many disciples have you/your church made this year?
How many of those new disciples has your church baptized this year?
How much sound doctrine have you/your church instilled in these new disciples?
Are you doing your part?

Maybe, just maybe, the world would be a better place, and all the corruption present in some churches, and our own self pity, would disappear if we only did as Jesus commanded.

If one is coming onto a forum and giving warning about corrupt religion and providing the correct Way of salvation then they are doing Exactly what Jesus called upon us to do.. We are going out and giving the Gospel while we are pointing out the false gospels that are being preached in this world..

How many disciples have you/your church made this year?

In truth no Christian ever makes a disciple anywhere or at any time.. It is the Word of God and co-ordination with the Holy Spirit that convicts and moves people to accept the Message of God and to embrace the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.. We do play a minor role in carrying the message and being an agent through which the messages comes.. But it is not we who actually make disciples..

Corruption is false churches are never going to disappear until Jesus returns.. Because satan as a roaring lion ( counterfeit Lion of the tribe of Judah) walks about seeking to deceive and lead people away into destruction..

1 Peter 5:KJV
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

[pottersclay]

If one is coming onto a forum and giving warning about corrupt religion and providing the correct Way of salvation then they are doing Exactly what Jesus called upon us to do.. We are going out and giving the Gospel while we are pointing out the false gospels that are being preached in this world..

Not by a long shot. This is what many believe but he said to go out.


In truth no Christian ever makes a disciple anywhere or at any time.. It is the Word of God and co-ordination with the Holy Spirit that convicts and moves people to accept the Message of God and to embrace the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.. We do play a minor role in carrying the message and being an agent through which the messages comes.. But it is not we who actually make disciples..

Giving them the truth of God word, teaching them the foundation, presenting doctrine.


Corruption is false churches are never going to disappear until Jesus returns.. Because satan as a roaring lion ( counterfeit Lion of the tribe of Judah) walks about seeking to deceive and lead people away into destruction..

1 Peter 5:KJV
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom lhe may devour:

Our purpose on this earth is to continue Jesus ministry.

 

[Sanashankar]

Isn't this something Jesus Christ told the Apostles to do????? I speak about God whenever I get a chance...I read the scripture...try to be an obedient child...there s so many things day Jesus Christ asked the Apostles to do alone....

 

[LaurenTM]

are you saying Jesus asked the apostles...his disciples mainly...to do things we do not have to do?

is that what you are saying?

 

[Yet]

Instill what doctrine? The organized 'church's doctrine or NT doctrine?

 

[Zmouth]

Instill what doctrine? The organized 'church's doctrine or NT doctrine?

The doctrine still in??? The divinity of the Christ?

But yet, where does one find the divinity of Christ? As a recent convert as a non-Christian to an Unorthodox Christian, surprisingly the response given to the Un is remarkably the same as the response of the non-, to hear or read, click there. .

So where do Christians find the divinity of Christ?

 

[Demi777]

I do what I can and what God leads me to do. Im not bound to a congregation. The body of Christ surely makes many deciples all around the world. If we r honest..we can all do more than we do. Its yet not works who bring us to God, its Jesus.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

One of the churches I attended would occasionally go to town with coffee and try and talk to people about Jesus.
Didn't work. It was usually done in the evening during weekends. meaning drunk people giggling over these silly Christians talking to them.

Also, you are forgetting that people are different. If you feel strongly about talking to strangers about Jesus you are probably an extrovert. To an introvert, talking to strangers is like jumping off a cliff. (Actually, I'd RATHER jump of a cliff than talk to strangers)

I have had a couple of chances to share from the bible though. After people came to me and asked. That's different-

 

[Yonah]

I think it is a legit question. Why so defensive about it? We Christians sit here and complain about how our country is going, how our lives are spiraling out of control. How are we living our Christian life? Are we putting God first and doing our part in sharing His love with others?

I will answer his questions. No, I am not doing my part and I really need to do more. I need to put God first in my life and put my trust in Him. I need to spread the Gospel with others in the work place. Everyday I am surrounded by people who I could share the Word with but I'm either to busy or to afraid.

So yeah I could do a lot more.

My intent was not to come off defensive (I have no need to defend anything) just another alternative to the assumption many make because they don't see what folks do or do not do with their lives... anyone has the right to complain, and as I said if more focused on what they can do instead of what they may perceive others as not doing more would get done.