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2 John 9-11

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Exhibit A---->>>>>

HYPER-GRACE: JESUS’ PRE-CALVARY TEACHINGS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD TESTAMENT


Are Christ’s teachings before He went to the cross irrelevant for believers?

This hyper-grace pastor, Joseph Prince, writes: “There is a lot of confusion and wrong believing in the church today because many Christians read their Bibles without rightly dividing the old and new covenants. They don’t realize that even some of the words which Jesus spoke in the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are part of the old covenant. They were spoken before the cross as He had not yet died. The new covenant begins only after the cross, when the Holy Spirit was given on the Day of Pentecost” (p. 92, “Destined to Reign” by Joseph Prince).


BE NOT DECEIVED, A LITTLE OF MANS LEAVEN CAN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP!



 
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2 John 9-11

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."
Mark 1:1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
 

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The Old Testament is still very much relevant because Christ, being the Word of God, wrote it. Of course, the major exception is the body of ceremonial regulations regarding offerings and sacrifices. We as believers aren't required to follow those by the letter, but we do well to remember the spirit behind them, and they are part of what Christ came to fulfill.
 
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hmmm

I just happened to read in the thread that the op is referring to

no one said the teachings of Jesus were irrelevant

in fact, even Mr Prince does not say that

here we go again

this is nothing but baiting people again so he can argue the same thing over and over and over
 
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2 John 9-11

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Exhibit A---->>>>>

HYPER-GRACE: JESUS’ PRE-CALVARY TEACHINGS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD TESTAMENT


Are Christ’s teachings before He went to the cross irrelevant for believers?



BE NOT DECEIVED, A LITTLE OF MANS LEAVEN CAN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP!



I'm very surprised that anyone would teach this. Everything Christ said and did throughout his ministry was to prepare his followers for his eventual death and resurrection. Every instruction, sermon, parable, etc was aimed at enlightening his listeners and showing them that something greater was about to come. Most of the Pharisees hated Christ, because they perceived that he was "contradicting" their religious system based on the laws of Moses and old covenant. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have been so angry if he was teaching principles in line with their beliefs. The incarnate Christ is the embodiment of the new covenant. He didn't teach anything that isn't relevant or pertaining to the new covenant. There is nothing written by the apostles in any epistle that differ from or contradict Christ's words (the Bible would cease to be inerrant if there was such an example).
This teaching, if not misquoted or out of context is foolishness at best.
 
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I'm very surprised that anyone would teach this. Everything Christ said and did throughout his ministry was to prepare his followers for his eventual death and resurrection. Every instruction, sermon, parable, etc was aimed at enlightening his listeners and showing them that something greater was about to come. Most of the Pharisees hated Christ, because they perceived that he was "contradicting" their religious system based on the laws of Moses and old covenant. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have been so angry if he was teaching principles in line with their beliefs. The incarnate Christ is the embodiment of the new covenant. He didn't teach anything that isn't relevant or pertaining to the new covenant. There is nothing written by the apostles in any epistle that differ from or contradict Christ's words (the Bible would cease to be inerrant if there was such an example).
This teaching, if not misquoted or out of context is foolishness at best.
Let's see.......... Jesus told a man to go and sell EVERYTHING he had, and give it to the poor. Have you followed that word? I haven't. And neither has a single person on this forum. That was not a part of what Jesus taught us to follow in the new Covenant.
 
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Mark 1:1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.


Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 
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Let's see.......... Jesus told a man to go and sell EVERYTHING he had, and give it to the poor. Have you followed that word? I haven't. And neither has a single person on this forum. That was not a part of what Jesus taught us to follow in the new Covenant.
It won't be long we will have a group started.........."thou shalt not eat fruit from trees."



New American Standard Bible
but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."


 
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Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

This surely has to pertain to the New Testament.

Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Joh 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Joh 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Joh 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

This surely has to pertain to the New Testament.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

This surely has to pertain to the New Testament.

Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

This surely has to pertain to the New Testament.

And much more.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Some say this does not pertain to the New Testament,but the Old Testament,but that is not true,for the rich man wanted to know how to inherit eternal life,and Jesus said sell all you have and give to the poor.

Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

And that is what they did in the New Testament is sold all they had and it was given to the poor.

1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

If any person has the means to feed the poor,but they do not do it,the love of God does not dwell in them,and people are more important than material things,and riches,to God.

That is why God said those that heap money to themselves have erred from the faith,for they neglect the poor.

There are many New Testament teachings of Christ,for He taught eternal life,and how to obtain it.

The Gospels are enough to save a person,so how are they not New Testament teachings,for saved is saved.
 
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Let's see.......... Jesus told a man to go and sell EVERYTHING he had, and give it to the poor. Have you followed that word? I haven't. And neither has a single person on this forum. That was not a part of what Jesus taught us to follow in the new Covenant.
I haven't sold everything, this is true. However, Jesus didn't say that across the board that everyone has to do this ( selling everything ) to find eternal life. He did say however that where our treasure is that is where are heart is. I take that to mean that He's really more concerned about our priorities in life and what we love most. Some of Christ's followers during his earthly ministry were affluent. Joanna the wife of Herod's steward would have been for sure. She is just one example that comes to mind. The instructions to the rich young ruler were tailored to his specific heart issue. His possessions and wealth weren't the issue. His love of money was. Christ knew that the young man loved money and his life of ease more than he loved following Christ. I do see this story as fitting in beautifully with the larger exhortation of Christ to deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow him. That is one of the repeated themes of Christ's earthly ministry. We can't be his true disciple unless we are willing to lose everything, including our family and friends. For some, money is harder to part with than family. For others, recognition and respect from their community is what they value most. Either way, whatever it is we treasure most that is what we need to be willing, from the heart if need be, to put aside and follow Christ. Christ also told one man to let the dead bury the dead and follow him. I don't think that anyone would really conclude that Christ didn't feel it was necessary for us to give our family proper burials. His point to that man was that when the opportunity to follow Christ arises there is nothing in this life that is worthy of hesitation. Christ throughout his ministry repeatedly stated that unless we deny ourselves we cannot be his disciple. To me that is the new covenant.


I am really not trying to be argumentative or ruffle feathers in this thread. I realize that some members here respect this teacher that was quoted in the OP. I'm not familiar with his ministry and thus, I have no idea if this quote was taken out of context or is a direct misquote. I was responding t
 
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hmmm

I just happened to read in the thread that the op is referring to

no one said the teachings of Jesus were irrelevant

in fact, even Mr Prince does not say that

here we go again

this is nothing but baiting people again so he can argue the same thing over and over and over
I know...it is just something that he and other haters have made up. No one said that "Jesus words were irrelevant".

They do take words out of context with what else was said around it when being quoted.

They "twist" words that are said and say things to make it "appear" something else is being said in order to deceive people from believing in Christ alone for life and salvation.

It is truly ungodly behavior.

This just shows the driving deceptive spirit that is behind this slander and continuous malice. I'd just ignore this slander and malice. We are all well versed with his Old Covenant posts of constant condemnation, hatred, accursedness, demonic, satanic, evil...etc. He loves to use words in red.

The "doctrine of Christ " is believing in the finished work of Christ only for salvation and life and all grace believers in Christ believe and walk in this truth.

 
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2 John 9-11

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Exhibit A---->>>>>

HYPER-GRACE: JESUS’ PRE-CALVARY TEACHINGS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD TESTAMENT


Are Christ’s teachings before He went to the cross irrelevant for believers?



BE NOT DECEIVED, A LITTLE OF MANS LEAVEN CAN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP!




nonsense... as usual for you, your malice is blinding you....the fact is that the New Covenant did not start until after the cross.

All scriptures are useful for teaching and instruction and no one said that "JESUS’ PRE-CALVARY TEACHINGS IRRELEVANT" .

That is your twisted wording and not the person you are attempting to malign again with your half-truths and deception.

Some of the words Jesus spoke was the Old Covenant Law to those that were self-righteous. He also spoke words of grace too to those that knew they needed Him.

It is true that we need to rightly divide the Old Covenant and the New Covenant which we know is an aversion to you and your constant condemnation, hatred, demonic, accursedness...etc...because this was the ministry of the Old Covenant and that is in your posts.

Come on over into the New Covenant so that you don't have to continuously condemn and malign and slander people with your Old Covenant mindset and hatred.

And "abiding in the doctrine of Christ" is believing in the finished work of Christ only for salvation and living which all grace teachers do that so your attempt again at slander and malice is unfounded as usual.

This is your first day back for awhile and all you have done is defile this CC forum again - just like the last time you came back.

Come to Christ and walk in Him and be free of this slander and hatred and malice that drives you. Jesus is more then enough for life and living. You can trust Him and the Holy Spirit.
 
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2 John 9-11

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Exhibit A---->>>>>

HYPER-GRACE: JESUS’ PRE-CALVARY TEACHINGS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD TESTAMENT


Are Christ’s teachings before He went to the cross irrelevant for believers?



BE NOT DECEIVED, A LITTLE OF MANS LEAVEN CAN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP!



2 John 7:11 NKJV

What is the doctrine of Christ?
The virgin birth.
Lord Jesus Christ sinless life.
Lord Jesus Christ death at Calvary. To pay the debt of sin.
Lord Jesus Christ resurrection on the third day.
Lord Jesus Christ Ascension to the Father.
And through Lord Jesus Christ and only Him comes salvation.
 
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The doctrine of Christ is the teachings, sayings, and commands that Jesus taught...

2 John 1:9....Whosoever [SUP]G3956[/SUP] transgresseth, [SUP]G3845[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] abideth [SUP]G3306[/SUP] not [SUP]G3361[/SUP] in [SUP]G1722[/SUP] the doctrine [SUP]G1322[/SUP] of Christ, [SUP]G5547[/SUP] hath [SUP]G2192[/SUP] not [SUP]G3756[/SUP] God. [SUP]G2316[/SUP] He that abideth [SUP]G3306[/SUP] in [SUP]G1722[/SUP] the doctrine [SUP]G1322[/SUP] of Christ, [SUP]G5547[/SUP] he [SUP]G3778[/SUP] hath [SUP]G2192[/SUP] both [SUP]G2532[/SUP] the
Father [SUP]G3962[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] the Son. [SUP]G5207


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Out line of Bible usage for doctrine G1322= teaching, that which is taught, doctrine, teaching, concerning something.
From->>>>διδαχή didachḗ, did-akh-ay'; from G1321; instruction (the act or the matter):—doctrine, hath been taught.

Matthew 28:18-20

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
 
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I know...it is just something that he and other haters have made up. No one said that "Jesus words were irrelevant".

They do take words out of context with what else was said around it when being quoted.

They "twist" words that are said and say things to make it "appear" something else is being said in order to deceive people from believing in Christ alone for life and salvation.

It is truly ungodly behavior.

This just shows the driving deceptive spirit that is behind this slander and continuous malice. I'd just ignore this slander and malice. We are all well versed with his Old Covenant posts of constant condemnation, hatred, accursedness, demonic, satanic, evil...etc. He loves to use words in red.

The "doctrine of Christ " is believing in the finished work of Christ only for salvation and life and all grace believers in Christ believe and walk in this truth.

it's always the same

I certainly disagree with other people round these forums

but most people remain pretty civil

anyway, when a person thinks their words equal scripture, not much left to say....:rolleyes:
 
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2 John 9-11

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Exhibit A---->>>>>

HYPER-GRACE: JESUS’ PRE-CALVARY TEACHINGS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD TESTAMENT


Are Christ’s teachings before He went to the cross irrelevant for believers?



BE NOT DECEIVED, A LITTLE OF MANS LEAVEN CAN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP!



I think this person is on to something.
 
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BE NOT DECEIVED, A LITTLE OF MANS LEAVEN CAN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP!
So have you noticed? Your leaven isn't getting in.

Show me one grace believer that makes an OP about a teacher that teaches law and good works and runs them into the ground.

I would love to do a few on Johnny Piper,Johnny Mac,Pink, Calvin. But where are they?
 

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So have you noticed? Your leaven isn't getting in.

Show me one grace believer that makes an OP about a teacher that teaches law and good works and runs them into the ground.

I would love to do a few on Johnny Piper,Johnny Mac,Pink, Calvin. But where are they?
It's because the son of the bond woman persecutes the son of the free woman:


28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29
But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31 So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman. (from Gal. 4)



-JGIG
 
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The doctrine of Christ is the teachings, sayings, and commands that Jesus taught...

"Dear brothers and sisters, I want you to understand that the gospel message I preach is not based on mere human reasoning. I received my message from no human source, and no one taught me. Instead, I received it by direct revelation from Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:11-12
 
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The proclamation of Christ produces the profession of Christ, but the explanation of Christ is what produces the experience of Christ.

Believers can never fully enjoy the triumph of the gospel and express Christ in this world victoriously until there has been an explanation and exposition of the vivid details of the redemptive work of Christ that has gained a foothold in our renewed minds.

The 4 gospels were eyewitness accounts of the historical events in the life and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity is based on the veracity of these events as having occurred in real time, in all historicity and specificity. Nevertheless it is the unveiling of the spiritual realities of these events that relates to the believer in Christ. This is found in the revelation that the Lord Jesus Christ gave to the apostle Paul.

The 4 gospels are the proclamation of the gospel. They disclose to us what men saw. Acts of the apostles is the demonstration of the gospel, but it is Paul's letters which give us an explanation of the gospel. It is the Pauline Epistles that are the constitution of this church age.

Paul's epistles explain what happened from the cross, death, burial, quickening and resurrection to the being seated at the right hand of the Father. Without these epistles we would have no idea what Jesus our Lord actually accomplished for us.

Paul was taught by Jesus Christ Himself to explain His gospel = to reveal the mystery that was hidden in God until it was revealed by Christ to Paul. The mystery being Christ Himself and the riches of that glory is that Christ is in us and we are in Him!
 
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